Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by bhampton

So buy virtual assets reasonably.

Nothing more than lawyers seeing an opportunity to make a bundle for themselves, Apple and Amazon should counter sue.

Would not be surprised to see new car dealers sued because people have to return autos that were obtained via a purchased lease.

[PenguinInfinity]

It's such a ridiculous sense of entitlement that someone thinks that because they paid $20 for a digital movie (or less in most cases) that should force the provider to support that movie forever.

If you want things to last forever you shouldn't buy things that require ongoing support to function. Why is that such a hard concept to grasp?

[avs commenter]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

It's such a ridiculous sense of entitlement that someone thinks that because they paid $20 for a digital movie (or less in most cases) that should force the provider to support that movie forever.

If you want things to last forever you shouldn't buy things that require ongoing support to function. Why is that such a hard concept to grasp?

That's not really the issue. It's more over the wording and being more transparent, similar to how video games manage digital purchases.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

It's such a ridiculous sense of entitlement that someone thinks that because they paid $20 for a digital movie (or less in most cases) that should force the provider to support that movie forever.

If you want things to last forever you shouldn't buy things that require ongoing support to function. Why is that such a hard concept to grasp?

It originates from the same DI you guys get on a Disc, so the Support should last the same as a Disc. That Content is on a Server that can be placed anywhere. If a Provider can't Support that Content on a Server, then it should be moved to a Provider that can Support it.

As for the cost, you guys don't want to pay more than $18 for a BD. So the Studios are not making their Profit if the cost is more like $25+!

https://www.mediaplaynews.com/resear...ended-4-17-21/

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

It originates from the same DI you guys get on a Disc, so the Support should last the same as a Disc. That Content is on a Server that can be placed anywhere. If a Provider can't Support that Content on a Server, then it should be moved to a Provider that can Support it.

As for the cost, you guys don't want to pay more than $18 for a BD. So the Studios are not making their Profit if the cost is more like $25+!

https://www.mediaplaynews.com/resear...ended-4-17-21/

First of all, you don’t speak for me. Im under no such limitations with my purchases.

Secondly, you are talking bollocks again.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by alchav21

It originates from the same DI you guys get on a Disc, so the Support should last the same as a Disc.

What the hell does the DI have to do with anything?

That Content is on a Server that can be placed anywhere. If a Provider can't Support that Content on a Server, then it should be moved to a Provider that can Support it.

All the content providers are businesses whose goal is to make a profit. If it is more profitable to drop content that is what they will do. That is the logical thing for them to do and I have absolutely no objection to them doing it. Just because you think the providers should move the content to another provider doesn't mean they will.

It's a business decision that will cause digital movies to disappear, not a technological limitation.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

It originates from the same DI you guys get on a Disc, so the Support should last the same as a Disc. That Content is on a Server that can be placed anywhere. If a Provider can't Support that Content on a Server, then it should be moved to a Provider that can Support it.

As for the cost, you guys don't want to pay more than $18 for a BD. So the Studios are not making their Profit if the cost is more like $25+!

https://www.mediaplaynews.com/resear...ended-4-17-21/

The digital intermediate is irrelevant; discs do not require any ongoing support from the studio or from any digital service provider. Disc playback requires a player and a display both of which the consumer can readily acquire entirely on their own; there is no need for the studios to do anything, no need for any server farms, and not even any need for internet service...beyond shopping for discs online in the first place.

I, and many of us, routinely spend well above $18 for a blu-ray. I have 285 Criterion blu-rays alone and they all cost $20 and higher. These never drop below $20 even during the semi annual 50% off sales events. What we are willing to pay is not something that you could possibly know and you really need to stop pretending that you do.

Apparently, this needs constant repeating because you can not grasp this most simple of concepts: studios, and their licensees, would not sell discs if it were not a significantly profitable endeavor. A business exists to make a profit and they do not make a habit of selling their products at a loss.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by alchav21

It originates from the same DI you guys get on a Disc, so the Support should last the same as a Disc. That Content is on a Server that can be placed anywhere. If a Provider can't Support that Content on a Server, then it should be moved to a Provider that can Support it.

As for the cost, you guys don't want to pay more than $18 for a BD. So the Studios are not making their Profit if the cost is more like $25+!

https://www.mediaplaynews.com/resear...ended-4-17-21/

Having judicial action ordered to retract distribution of the streaming equivalent of media is applicable to all online distribution, not that you can switch providers or hosts. It can occur to distributed unsold media in stores that is yanked also. But the big difference is media already sold is beyond the reach of the judicial action.

Should we be questioning you why you buy digital content that really isn’t bought, but only licensed? Of course not, as we are better people then you.

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by alchav21

It originates from the same DI you guys get on a Disc, so the Support should last the same as a Disc.

I got this far and laughed out loud so thanks for that.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

Having judicial action ordered to retract distribution of the streaming equivalent of media is applicable to all online distribution, not that you can switch providers or hosts. It can occur to distributed unsold media in stores that is yanked also. But the big difference is media already sold is beyond the reach of the judicial action.

Should we be questioning you why you buy digital content that really isn’t bought, but only licensed? Of course not, as we are better then you.

Buy digital content? That's a laugh. He comes here to scrounge for free, or to buy at very low cost, digital codes from members who offer them on this website; members who actually bought discs and from whom the studios actually made money. The studios that he pretends to care oh so much about make NOTHING from his blu-ray.com code sniffing transactions.

[Ender14]

Originally Posted by alchav21

It originates from the same DI you guys get on a Disc, so the Support should last the same as a Disc. That Content is on a Server that can be placed anywhere. If a Provider can't Support that Content on a Server, then it should be moved to a Provider that can Support it.

As for the cost, you guys don't want to pay more than $18 for a BD. So the Studios are not making their Profit if the cost is more like $25+!

https://www.mediaplaynews.com/resear...ended-4-17-21/

The DI has nothing whatsoever to do with the conversation at hand. Yes, we are all smart enough to know that our copy is placed on a disc whereas yours resides on a server. Most of us knew it before you spewed it out 100 times. No provider should have to support content in perpetuity because a disc is too inconvenient for you. That is the gamble you take when purchasing streamed content. If you don't like it then start buying discs. Otherwise, accept that you own none of the streaming titles you have leased and move on.

I pay much more than $18 for many of my discs. Not sure where you're getting that from. Yes, I tend to look for deals as does any smart consumer, but I pay full price for many of the 4K releases that come out so I can support the format. And as Vilya pointed out, Criterion discs never drop below $20 and I have 59 of those. But $18 is still WAY more than you're willing to pay for your leased content, so not sure what you're point is.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by alchav21

As for the cost, you guys don't want to pay more than $18 for a BD. So the Studios are not making their Profit if the cost is more like $25+!

https://www.mediaplaynews.com/resear...ended-4-17-21/

I can see that alchav linked to a site showing that the average price for Blu-ray was around $18 (during the week of April 17th, 2021), but I have no idea where he got the information that studios need to sell Blu-rays for more than $25 to make a profit.

Thousands of Blu-ray discs have launched for far less than $25. Does alchav think that all of them are intentionally being sold at a loss? This appears to be just another situation where he thinks that everything about streaming is highly profitable and everything about physical media is losing money.

[BluLobsta]

Well, I tried to cut the cord again. I lasted a week, which is pretty typical. I always get the inspiration and cancel cable TV services and keep Internet. I now find that there is a balance that has to be kept. I watch the news a lot and I just couldn't find a good substitute. My local sports network (NESN) I couldn't live without (Sox). The sports packages are nice. My local channels I like too. On the streaming side, I like the Disney+ bundle. Really nice. I also have Shudder for Joe Bob Briggs on Friday nights. All in all, my cable bill went up $30 because I lost my loyalty discount. I got new equipment which is really nice. The picture looks sharper which may just be my imagination and it is so simple to set up now that it's ridiculous. They have 4K wireless boxes but no 4K content yet. 4K content all over the streaming universe. All in all, lesson learned but I still feel you have to strike a balance at this point. I'll keep trying

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

I can see that alchav linked to a site showing that the average price for Blu-ray was around $18 (during the week of April 17th, 2021), but I have no idea where he got the information that studios need to sell Blu-rays for more than $25 to make a profit.

Thousands of Blu-ray discs have launched for far less than $25. Does alchav think that all of them are intentionally being sold at a loss? This appears to be just another situation where he thinks that everything about streaming is highly profitable and everything about physical media is losing money.

I have a hard time using that verb after his name in any context.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I have a hard time using that verb after his name in any context.

That made me laugh even harder than any of alchav's hilarious absurdities.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

Does alchav think

My side hurts!!!!

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by BluLobsta

Well, I tried to cut the cord again. I lasted a week, which is pretty typical. I always get the inspiration and cancel cable TV services and keep Internet. I now find that there is a balance that has to be kept. I watch the news a lot and I just couldn't find a good substitute. My local sports network (NESN) I couldn't live without (Sox). The sports packages are nice. My local channels I like too. On the streaming side, I like the Disney+ bundle. Really nice. I also have Shudder for Joe Bob Briggs on Friday nights. All in all, my cable bill went up $30 because I lost my loyalty discount. I got new equipment which is really nice. The picture looks sharper which may just be my imagination and it is so simple to set up now that it's ridiculous. They have 4K wireless boxes but no 4K content yet. 4K content all over the streaming universe. All in all, lesson learned but I still feel you have to strike a balance at this point. I'll keep trying

Do what makes you happy, but there is no way that I will pay cable TV prices for the "privilege" to watch nearly 20 minutes of commercials per broadcast hour. Cable TV and their constant sexual dysfunction/ bladder control ads are not something that I am going to pay top dollar to see.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Still have ALL my DVD's that were used for DVD2HDX. No way would I sell or donate them just because I have a HD IPTV version.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Still have ALL my DVD's that were used for DVD2HDX. No way would I sell or donate them just because I have a HD IPTV version.

Isn't it a great comfort to know that your DVDs should have the same lasting support as digital copies?

Originally Posted by alchav21

It originates from the same DI you guys get on a Disc, so the Support should last the same as a Disc.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Cable TV and their constant sexual dysfunction/ bladder control ads are not something that I am going to pay top dollar to see.

Agreed. We watch a little content via a few AVOD (FAST) services.