8K discussion thread

[LexInHD]

Samsung is heavily - and wrongfully - focused on the Asian and luxury markets, so that's why 8K is a priority for them. 8K production and programming is being pushed in the well-developed and luxury markets of China, Japan, and S.Korea, while the rest of the (less developed) Asian countries are just now toddling up to producing and showing 4K content. They also heavily promote the idea of consumers making 4K/8K video content with their phones, hence the bundling of 8K TV and 8K-capable phone discounts.

[Modren]

Originally Posted by eXtofer

I’m a gamer and I think there’s a disconnect between the big companies and consumers when it comes to what we want. 4K in the console market is still kind of a novelty because often developers will allow you to choose lower frame rates with 4k or higher frame rates with sub-4k. Most of us will opt for the higher frame rates. It’s very rare that you get a stable game to run on console at 4k and hold 60fps.

I genuinely think we've hit a wall with graphics technology and we're unlikely to see anything powerful enough to hit even upscaled 8K for AAA games... maybe ever? Like, maybe if developers could settle for PS3/360-tier graphics and engines, the PS5 Pro or PS6 could power through with such high resolutions. But that's just not practical or realistic, especially as gamers expect more advanced titles with each generation. I actually think games are moving backwards in some respects - we saw a lot more ~4K rendering on the Xbox One X than we're getting on the Series X. Developers are using advanced upscalers as a crutch to push more detail and raytracing features... and their games often look softer and less stable than ones from a decade ago.

[eXtofer]

Originally Posted by Modren

I genuinely think we've hit a wall with graphics technology and we're unlikely to see anything powerful enough to hit even upscaled 8K for AAA games... maybe ever? Like, maybe if developers could settle for PS3/360-tier graphics and engines, the PS5 Pro or PS6 could power through with such high resolutions. But that's just not practical or realistic, especially as gamers expect more advanced titles with each generation. I actually think games are moving backwards in some respects - we saw a lot more ~4K rendering on the Xbox One X than we're getting on the Series X. Developers are using advanced upscalers as a crutch to push more detail and raytracing features... and their games often look softer and less stable than ones from a decade ago.

I couldn’t agree more!

[Moviefan2k4]

I just upgraded to 4K last year, and that was only possible because I spent about 3 years saving most of my spare cash, not even thinking I could afford it. Even now, the vast majority of my collection is still Blu-Ray, and most of the films on my Amazon wish list are planned upgrades instead of new releases.

[smoothbutter]

Originally Posted by Modren

I genuinely think we've hit a wall with graphics technology and we're unlikely to see anything powerful enough to hit even upscaled 8K for AAA games... maybe ever? Like, maybe if developers could settle for PS3/360-tier graphics and engines, the PS5 Pro or PS6 could power through with such high resolutions. But that's just not practical or realistic, especially as gamers expect more advanced titles with each generation. I actually think games are moving backwards in some respects - we saw a lot more ~4K rendering on the Xbox One X than we're getting on the Series X. Developers are using advanced upscalers as a crutch to push more detail and raytracing features... and their games often look softer and less stable than ones from a decade ago.

I have a 5090 and I can hit 8k 60fps on 90% of games on DLSS quality and plenty of new games run fine 8k 60fps without it.. If you don't know what you're talking about, you shouldn't speak on it

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by smoothbutter

I have a 5090...

I hope it doesn't melt.

Nvidia's RTX 5090 power cables may be doomed to burn

"As the RTX 50-series rollout continues, users are experiencing what seems to be a shockingly high rate of failure. The proprietary 12VHPWR/12V-2x6 cables providing power to the graphics cards have been seen melting inside the GPU slot of 5090 and 5080 cards."



https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-comp...doomed-to-burn

RTX 5090 cable overheats to 150 degrees Celsius — Uneven current distribution likely the culprit

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-comp...ly-the-culprit

[gkolb]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I hope it doesn't melt.

Nvidia's RTX 5090 power cables may be doomed to burn

"As the RTX 50-series rollout continues, users are experiencing what seems to be a shockingly high rate of failure. The proprietary 12VHPWR/12V-2x6 cables providing power to the graphics cards have been seen melting inside the GPU slot of 5090 and 5080 cards."



https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-comp...doomed-to-burn

RTX 5090 cable overheats to 150 degrees Celsius — Uneven current distribution likely the culprit

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-comp...ly-the-culprit

WOW that looks really bad. What a cluster f***up.

[Steel76]

Originally Posted by smoothbutter

I have a 5090 and I can hit 8k 60fps on 90% of games on DLSS quality and plenty of new games run fine 8k 60fps without it.. If you don't know what you're talking about, you shouldn't speak on it

Some older games, sure. But I'd like to see you try that with newer demanding games, like Cyberpunk etc, with Ultra Path Tracing. And not using fake frames. Sure if your fine with Low-Medium settings. Go for it.

8K Gaming is NEVER Happening - RTX 5090 Demo - YouTube

[rcbetker]

Yt channel "8k association" exists for those excited to hear about news & advancements in 8k.

https://youtube.com/@8kassociation

[smoothbutter]

To the people who say 8K is totally pointless and not being supported by anyone but Samsung, why are games being made with resolution modes above 4K on the PS5 Pro? Surely this wouldn't be a thing if what you guys are saying is correct. Also, if you don't have a 8K TV and done real testing, why are you talking like you have?

[Robert Zohn]

Samsung did a very nice upgrade with the New 2025 QN900F and especially with the new Flagship model the QN990F 8K QD MiniLED TVs.

We have Samsung's QN900F 8K QD MiniLED TV on display in our A/V Showroom and in stock. Later this week we'll have Samsung's 1st allocation/shipment of the flagship QN990F 8K QD MiniLED TVs!

[Modren]

Originally Posted by smoothbutter

To the people who say 8K is totally pointless and not being supported by anyone but Samsung, why are games being made with resolution modes above 4K on the PS5 Pro? Surely this wouldn't be a thing if what you guys are saying is correct. Also, if you don't have a 8K TV and done real testing, why are you talking like you have?

There's only a small handful of games which support 8K output. And the ones that do rely on upscaling algorithms like PSSR or FSR; to my knowledge there's no game that natively outputs 8K. It's definitely not an indication that 8K is becoming a standard, especially as many games still render at below 4K internally. To me, it's closer to the PS2/OG Xbox games which supported 1080i output - a forward-looking feature that's still a couple generations away from becoming standard for most games.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by smoothbutter

To the people who say 8K is totally pointless and not being supported by anyone but Samsung, why are games being made with resolution modes above 4K on the PS5 Pro? Surely this wouldn't be a thing if what you guys are saying is correct. Also, if you don't have a 8K TV and done real testing, why are you talking like you have?

See this article:

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...&id=1744127101

Four quotes from it:

"Sony has officially discontinued its last 8K TVs, with no direct successor planned. However, the company has not ruled out a future return."

"Samsung still plans to offer two — possibly three — 8K TV ranges in 2025, but most other brands have exited the 8K TV market. LG has not introduced new 8K TVs since 2023."

"PS5 Pro not driving interest in 8K."

"Sony's latest game console has not been enough to spark consumer interest in 8K for the living room."

Next, try shopping for 8K TVs. Using Best Buy as an example they offer 7 models from just 3 manufacturers.

Samsung makes four of those with two of them being new models for this year. The only Sony model is now discontinued and the two LG models date back to 2023.

If 8K was growing in popularity, we would have more than just Samsung offering new models of 8K TVs in the U.S. market. If 8K showed promise, Sony would not have discontinued making 8K TVs. If 8K was catching on, why aren't LG and other manufacturers taking part?

I am not finding very many 8K gaming monitors to choose from, either. The interest just doesn't seem to be there for 8K.

[smoothbutter]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Samsung did a very nice upgrade with the New 2025 QN900F and especially with the new Flagship model the QN990F 8K QD MiniLED TVs.

We have Samsung's QN900F 8K QD MiniLED TV on display in our A/V Showroom and in stock. Later this week we'll have Samsung's 1st allocation/shipment of the flagship QN990F 8K QD MiniLED TVs!

Can you confirm whether or not the 85 inch QN990F is using a W-HVA panel?

[Bernardo A.]

Originally Posted by Vilya

See this article:

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...&id=1744127101

Four quotes from it:

"Sony has officially discontinued its last 8K TVs, with no direct successor planned. However, the company has not ruled out a future return."

"Samsung still plans to offer two — possibly three — 8K TV ranges in 2025, but most other brands have exited the 8K TV market. LG has not introduced new 8K TVs since 2023."

"PS5 Pro not driving interest in 8K."

"Sony's latest game console has not been enough to spark consumer interest in 8K for the living room."

Next, try shopping for 8K TVs. Using Best Buy as an example they offer 7 models from just 3 manufacturers.

Samsung makes four of those with two of them being new models for this year. The only Sony model is now discontinued and the two LG models date back to 2023.

If 8K was growing in popularity, we would have more than just Samsung offering new models of 8K TVs in the U.S. market. If 8K showed promise, Sony would not have discontinued making 8K TVs. If 8K was catching on, why aren't LG and other manufacturers taking part?

I am not finding very many 8K gaming monitors to choose from, either. The interest just doesn't seem to be there for 8K.

The best use case for 8K is probably cinema and there's not a spark of interest yet lol

[Steel76]

Originally Posted by smoothbutter

To the people who say 8K is totally pointless and not being supported by anyone but Samsung, why are games being made with resolution modes above 4K on the PS5 Pro? Surely this wouldn't be a thing if what you guys are saying is correct. Also, if you don't have a 8K TV and done real testing, why are you talking like you have?

All PS5 Pro 8K (upscaled) games list:

F1 24 (at 60 FPS)
Gran Turismo 7 (at 60 FPS)
No Man’s Sky (at 30 FPS)
Pure Pool Pro (at 30 FPS with ray tracing)
[REDACTED] (at 60 FPS)
The Callisto Protocol (at 30 FPS with ray tracing)

And that's it.
If you expect to see games like God of War and Horizon in 8K, not gonna happen on this hardware.

[Dragun]

How important is resolution to gamers? Seems like higher frame rates would be more important than more resolution.

Originally Posted by Bernardo A.

The best use case for 8K is probably cinema and there's not a spark of interest yet lol

I wouldn't say no to 8K or 12K at the cinemas. I could see that happening for digital IMAX screens, though I'd also like to see that for normal-sized screens as well.

[smoothbutter]

Originally Posted by Steel76

All PS5 Pro 8K (upscaled) games list:

F1 24 (at 60 FPS)
Gran Turismo 7 (at 60 FPS)
No Man’s Sky (at 30 FPS)
Pure Pool Pro (at 30 FPS with ray tracing)
[REDACTED] (at 60 FPS)
The Callisto Protocol (at 30 FPS with ray tracing)

And that's it.
If you expect to see games like God of War and Horizon in 8K, not gonna happen on this hardware.

And? it's still proof there is a difference or else those developers wouldn't have bothered. Every time I read 8k threads it has everyone saying there is no difference and pointless when probably none of them even have a 8K TV.. You don't see anything wrong with this?

[Vilya]

Almost no one has an 8K TV because they do not want one. Without a meaningful supply of 8K content there just isn't any compelling reason to buy one.

Even if there was a good supply of 8K content 8K TV's main attribute is just increased resolution and that alone is just not enough to excite many people into spending the $2300 to $39,999 that these things currently cost. Thus far, the market has spoken with a resounding when it comes to both 8K TVs and 8K computer monitors.

I could not even find a single 8K computer monitor for sale at Best Buy.com while Newegg.com only offered two choices; that's pretty telling right there as to how little demand there is for 8K. The two choices at Newegg.com cost $3399.99 and $4199.99, both were 32" with a refresh rate of just 60 Hz.

[Vilya]

Robert Zohn has first hand experience with LG's 8K Z3 and Sony's 8K Z9K (and probably others as well). Ask him for his impressions; I'm sure that he'd be happy to share his thoughts.