Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Ender14]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Also those Studios that have the Distribution Rights look at their PM budget. If you look at the Sales Reports, BD sells for no more than $18, and DVD $10. That's why a lot of these Discs now come out on either BD or DVD, UHD are costly so they come out in limited quantities, and barely making their Break-Even Point!

https://www.mediaplaynews.com/resear...ended-4-24-21/

Originally Posted by Ender14

Please provide numbers showing they barely break even.

As usual you pop up to spout unsubstantiated claims and when someone asks you to provide actual statistics you become a ghost. We are all aware of your opinions so you can save everyone 10 seconds in the future by not having to read your falsehoods. Opinions are always welcome but not when they're presented as facts with no supporting documentation.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

What good is a refund to a true film lover?

What are a true film lovers standards? Better then the theater, same as the theater, or DVD quality?

[cheez avenger]

The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly 4K disc was pretty damn great for an SDR 4K transfer. I was only planning on starting the first half and ended up finishing it in the same sitting.

I did get a 4K disc screener of The Final Countdown, which is getting good buzz already. May watch that today or tomorrow. I have Wrath of Man tonight in Dolby Cinema.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Ender14

As usual you pop up to spout unsubstantiated claims and when someone asks you to provide actual statistics you become a ghost. We are all aware of your opinions so you can save everyone 10 seconds in the future by not having to read your falsehoods. Opinions are always welcome but not when they're presented as facts with no supporting documentation.

The Studios don't give out that information, you have to interpolate from what I gave you. Do I need to teach you Accounting and Marketing 101? Revenue - Cost=Profit. Selling Price of an item is figured out to bring in a certain Profit Margin. If Revenues are down and the Selling Price is not being met, then you should be able to surmise that the Break-Even Point is barely or not met at all!

[JohnAV]

Cinemark Announces New Deals with Studios to Exhibit Movies Theatrically - MediaPlayNews 5/7/21

Cinemark, the nation’s No. 3 movie theater chain, May 7 announced it has reached agreements to theatrically showcase films from five major studio partners across its U.S. screens.

This announcement builds upon the exhibitor’s November agreement with Universal Pictures and includes agreements with Warner Bros. Pictures, The Walt Disney Co., Paramount Pictures and Sony Pictures Entertainment.

Collectively, the agreements secure a consistent supply of content and demonstrate a shared commitment to offering consumers the ultimate movie-viewing experience, with compelling content exhibited within the theatrical environment, according to Cinemark.

The agreements come on the heels of Cinemark inking distribution of Netflix original movies in an abbreviated theatrical window — the first for the streamer. Cinemark isn’t divulging specifics on the studio deals, citing “unique attributes” specific to each studio that mutually benefits both parties.

With many studios also operating direct-to-consumer distribution through streaming and premium VOD, exhibitors are having to re-visit legacy theatrical window agreements to remake them to better reflect the changing consumer access to screen entertainment.

“In our ongoing efforts to maximize attendance and box office during the pandemic and beyond, our goal is to provide the widest range of content with terms that are in the best long-term interests of Cinemark, our studio partners and moviegoers,” CEO Mark Zoradi said in a statement. “We are pleased with these recent developments and are confident we are taking positive steps toward reigniting theatrical exhibition and evolving the industry for a post-pandemic landscape.”

The new distribution agreements come as Cinemark attempts to claw its way out of a financial hole caused by the pandemic. The chain said it attracted 7.7 million moviegoers and $114.5 million in revenue in the first quarter ended March 31. That compared to $543.6 million in revenue during the previous-year period. Its net loss ballooned to $208.2 million compared to a loss of $59.6 million in the previous year period.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by alchav21

The Studios don't give out that information, you have to interpolate from what I gave you. Do I need to teach you Accounting and Marketing 101? Revenue - Cost=Profit. Selling Price of an item is figured out to bring in a certain Profit Margin. If Revenues are down and the Selling Price is not being met, then you should be able to surmise that the Break-Even Point is barely or not met at all!

Didn't read the article I posted earlier did you.

Media sales are consistently a lot more profitable than streaming.

On the other hand, if you spend that same $3 to advertise for a $20 DVD/Blu-Ray sale (that cost $5 to make and ship), you just profited $12.

Now go back to fidgeting about what to say next, when you don't understand this industry. Business person you are not.

[Ender14]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Do I need to teach you Accounting and Marketing 101?

I appreciate the offer but I don't think the person who can't differentiate between fact and opinion is the best individual to teach me anything.

But I'm smart enough to know that if a company is not making a decent margin on a product they generally stop manufacturing it. Yet dozens of new discs are still released every week, including UHD discs. Perhaps the financial genius can explain why that is if they're barely breaking even.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

The Studios don't give out that information, you have to interpolate from what I gave you. Do I need to teach you Accounting and Marketing 101? Revenue - Cost=Profit. Selling Price of an item is figured out to bring in a certain Profit Margin. If Revenues are down and the Selling Price is not being met, then you should be able to surmise that the Break-Even Point is barely or not met at all!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

What are a true film lovers standards? Better then the theater, same as the theater, or DVD quality?

To seek out the best representation possible, inside and outside of the home.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by alchav21

The Studios don't give out that information, you have to interpolate from what I gave you. Do I need to teach you Accounting and Marketing 101? Revenue - Cost=Profit. Selling Price of an item is figured out to bring in a certain Profit Margin. If Revenues are down and the Selling Price is not being met, then you should be able to surmise that the Break-Even Point is barely or not met at all!

Based on the information you've given us all that I can interpolate is that the studios must like to sell things at a loss. Since they continue to sell millions of discs every year for less than $25 (the break even point according to you) they must love losing money. It's the only logical conclusion based on the information you've given us.

[Lee A Stewart]

Alliance Entertainment

https://www.aent.com/selection/dvd-blu-ray

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Ender14

I appreciate the offer but I don't think the person who can't differentiate between fact and opinion is the best individual to teach me anything.

That poor poster is so clueless about most anything related to disc. Spears and Munsil are working on their second UHD HD test disc set. I know Stacey is not going to do this unless there is money to be made. And talk about a niche market!!!

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Just thought I would post a update as some of you guys were incredibly kind and also sent me PM’s regarding my sister.
She was back in hospital for more surgery to her kidney last week and developed sepsis for the fourth time. She is better now but awaiting news of whether the stones are out or not. She had 100 fragments of stones in there and we think having to use a catheter combined with stents has contributed to the sepsis. As you all know, she had serious complications from COVID so that delayed things further.
If the stones are finally gone after a scan, she will have several months recovery before (hopefully) the final procedure to remove her non functioning kidney.

hope everything turns out for the best for her.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by The_Donster

Hey gang, how goes things? I can’t remember the last time I bought anything. I’m still watching movies via Netflix BD rental, but catch streaming services when I visit a friend. Still living at a place that I can’t get internet. Which sucks at times because I’d really love to play some Xbox games in my off time. Not that I’ve had much of that. I had to get some stomach bug to get any time off from work. I’ll try and pop in more when I can. Best to everyone and I hope your sister has a speedy recovery Steedeel.

did you try looking into satellite internet?

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by alchav21

That's why a lot of these Discs now come out on either BD or DVD, UHD are costly so they come out in limited quantities

how come the only one that is not interested in UHD is the only one that thinks that the quantity is limited?

and barely making their Break-Even Point!

[sapiendut]

Originally Posted by alchav21

The Studios don't give out that information, you have to interpolate from what I gave you. Do I need to teach you Accounting and Marketing 101? Revenue - Cost=Profit. Selling Price of an item is figured out to bring in a certain Profit Margin. If Revenues are down and the Selling Price is not being met, then you should be able to surmise that the Break-Even Point is barely or not met at all!

Hehehe. You’re funny.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

If discs are ever sacrificed to push people towards these streaming subscriptions, you can bet they will do the same with EST via third party storefronts.

Collecting dies with disc, that’s always been my take. Thankfully, I think we are quite a few years away from that.

The amount of work and cost into making a film available on a streaming site is roughly the same as EST and physical media. Do you even think it is remotely possible for a studio to make the same amount off of the guy that brings his family to watch it in a theatre, buys a copy to watch it at home or watch 30 films for 10$ using a subscription service. I know some people on here think studios are pushing for subscription but that is just insane fan boy nonsense, studios just try and get every penny possible and subscription streaming is those last few pennies.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

Yes we have previously discussed about digital content being yanked because of a judicial action. So he gets a replacement or refund in those instances. Old news move on.

But I was responding to the comment about:

You guys that keep harping about tangible versus virtual benefits forget about the applied worth of someone here that thinks he is buying content, that beside getting a refund if it isn't available anymore, has absolutely no value to his inheritors of his property.

So is Digital really the future if it worthless to the next party?

1) refunds are far from always offered. (when target ticked, cinema now.... shut down did anyone get a refund of any sort- just to go with extreme cases where people in a day lost their whole collections)

2) let's assume that a refund is offered and it is the purchased amount. I don't know about you but I buy movies to be able to watch them and not to give a multi-year interest free loan to a corporation.
The money I care about I invest with my money manager and get a lot more than 0 as a ROI.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

What are a true film lovers standards? Better then the theater, same as the theater, or DVD quality?

Don't know what a true film lover is and don't care. But for me it is MUCH "Better then the theater". After all, generally speaking, theatres are general admission not built for the insane enthusiast (like my myself and my HT).

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Ender14

I appreciate the offer but I don't think the person who can't differentiate between fact and opinion is the best individual to teach me anything.

But I'm smart enough to know that if a company is not making a decent margin on a product they generally stop manufacturing it. Yet dozens of new discs are still released every week, including UHD discs. Perhaps the financial genius can explain why that is if they're barely breaking even.

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

That poor poster is so clueless about most anything related to disc. Spears and Munsil are working on their second UHD HD test disc set. I know Stacey is not going to do this unless there is money to be made. And talk about a niche market!!!

Well that baffles me too, but I guess there is still money to be made in that Niche Market. The Revenue Report just doesn't look good for the Disc Market, so they must be making it up in other ways. Those UHD Discs are mostly coming from Independent Distributors, and they sell other Film related items. Also the Major Studios are combining their Disc Distribution to cut some of their department losses.