Pain & Gain (2013)

[Aerodude73]

Originally Posted by kdawq

what freaked me out was this film is a true story, unbelievable lol

Yup. Check this out from TV's "48 Hours", which broadcast this just as the film was opening (maybe a few days before).

Pain & Gain The Real Story / 48 Hours Muscle And Mayhem - YouTube

[MasterChief3624]

Originally Posted by Aerodude73

Yup. Check this out from TV's "48 Hours", which broadcast this just as the film was opening (maybe a few days before).

Pain & Gain The Real Story / 48 Hours Muscle And Mayhem - YouTube

Thank you so much for that! I was looking everywhere for a video chronicle on this true story before the movie came out, and this looks to be the one I'm looking for!

I just don't have the time to read 9 pages from the Miami Times right now

[Aerodude73]

Originally Posted by MasterChief3624

Thank you so much for that! I was looking everywhere for a video chronicle on this true story before the movie came out, and this looks to be the one I'm looking for!

I just don't have the time to read 9 pages from the Miami Times right now

Hahaha, you're welcome. It's Very Good, as is most everything on that news show. It's very well done, enjoy

[MasterChief3624]

Originally Posted by Aerodude73

Hahaha, you're welcome. It's Very Good, as is most everything on that news show. It's very well done, enjoy

Thank you again. It was interesting to see what the movie did and did not do.

Doorbal was definitely portrayed more as a complete idiot and less as a sociopathic psycho. And the movie didn't touch on the female investigator, the other people of the "Sun Gym gang", and obviously took some liberties with the authenticity for the sake of exposition and narrative, but honestly it seems like the rest of the film was pretty dang accurate...

That's unbelievable.

One thing I wasn't sure about was that Dwayne Johnson's character in real life: the video above barely mentioned him. Was his part exacerbated in the film? Or did they avoid talking too much about his shenanigans because of the anonymity and the fact that he didn't want to remember what he did?

[Jennifer Lawrence Fan]

Originally Posted by MasterChief3624

Thank you again. It was interesting to see what the movie did and did not do.

Doorbal was definitely portrayed more as a complete idiot and less as a sociopathic psycho. And the movie didn't touch on the female investigator, the other people of the "Sun Gym gang", and obviously took some liberties with the authenticity for the sake of exposition and narrative, but honestly it seems like the rest of the film was pretty dang accurate...

That's unbelievable.

One thing I wasn't sure about was that Dwayne Johnson's character in real life: the video above barely mentioned him. Was his part exacerbated in the film? Or did they avoid talking too much about his shenanigans because of the anonymity and the fact that he didn't want to remember what he did?

The Rock's character is a mixture of a couple people from the gang. There was no Paul Doyle in real life from what I'm told. That character was made up from other members of the Sun Gym Gang.

[jamesdevil]

Originally Posted by MasterChief3624

Thank you again. It was interesting to see what the movie did and did not do.

Doorbal was definitely portrayed more as a complete idiot and less as a sociopathic psycho. And the movie didn't touch on the female investigator, the other people of the "Sun Gym gang", and obviously took some liberties with the authenticity for the sake of exposition and narrative, but honestly it seems like the rest of the film was pretty dang accurate...

That's unbelievable.

One thing I wasn't sure about was that Dwayne Johnson's character in real life: the video above barely mentioned him. Was his part exacerbated in the film? Or did they avoid talking too much about his shenanigans because of the anonymity and the fact that he didn't want to remember what he did?

This will fill in some stuff:

http://www.historyvshollywood.com/re...n-and-gain.php

(scroll down)

[MasterChief3624]

Originally Posted by Michael Bay Fan

The Rock's character is a mixture of a couple people from the gang. There was no Paul Doyle in real life from what I'm told. That character was made up from other members of the Sun Gym Gang.

That makes a lot of sense. I noticed there was mention of more Sun Gym Gang members, so that was smart to blend a couple of them into one character.

Originally Posted by jamesdevil

This will fill in some stuff:

http://www.historyvshollywood.com/re...n-and-gain.php

(scroll down)

Thank you a lot for that!

Jesus. The 48 Hours segment didn't mention the grilling. I guess it really is true

It's unfortunate that the victims/survivors of the victims are pissed about this being labeled a dark comedy. Though I have to say, if they're basing that solely on the trailer, they should be somewhat relieved that the trailers made it look much more like a comedy than it ended up being. And it doesn't make the bad guys sympathetic or positive in any way. The only one that comes close is Dwayne Johnson's character.

It is made quite clear that Ed Harris' character was supposed to be the positive person to root for. He was never in danger, he was never portrayed as a bad person, and he was just... a really cool guy. There was absolutely no issue with distinguishing between who we were supposed to root for and who we were supposed to despise, though I will admit that they definitely dialed back the psychotic nature of Doorbal and Lugo a tad too much. Just a tad.

[Aerodude73]

Originally Posted by jamesdevil

This will fill in some stuff:

http://www.historyvshollywood.com/re...n-and-gain.php

(scroll down)

Great article!

Might be worth getting this book: Pain and Gain - The Untold True Story

[Jennifer Lawrence Fan]

There's also another video talking about the real life crimes. I know its on youtube, I watched it before. Might have been 20/20 or one of those other type shows.

[Aerodude73]

Originally Posted by Michael Bay Fan

There's also another video talking about the real life crimes. I know its on youtube, I watched it before. Might have been 20/20 or one of those other type shows.

ANTHONY KING ON ABC 20/20 "REVENGE FOR REAL" AS MARC SCHILLER. - YouTube

[Dispatch Ninja]

I liked this a lot more on 2nd viewing.

[SilentDawn]

Might pick up an import of this one, that cover is downright ugly.

[Herry Dunston]

Against my better judgment, I rented this film. I needed a day to process this, because I'm for the most part Anti-Michael Bay, and I wanted to be in the most happiest mood before watching Pain and Gain.

But for some reason, I walked away from this viewing feeling less livid than expected. Bad Boys II and Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen are still THE Bay movies that'll get on my nerves, and this film isn't near that low of a level. Maybe because all the mean-spirited, pig-headed insanity that exuded all through this film feels deliberate, like I'm suppose to be bewildered by the whole thing. And let's face it, a movie where dumb bodybuilders commit crime for greed and vanity in a blind, misguided quest for the ambiguous American dream: this is PERFECT material for Michael Bay, and I can see why this would be his dream project.

And while I don't hate the film, it does raise my eyebrows plenty of times. Dwayne Johnson was the best thing about the film, and he was the ONLY thing to give me a couple of laughs, because otherwise the movie was funny. It was completely infantile, which is par for the course in a Bay movie, but most of the 'humor' involved feels inappropriate given that it's based on real-life events. I guess that it's a dark comedy, but it was such a farce that it constantly treads the line between cynical wit and bad taste.

I just don't think this kind of story should be made for cheap laughs, but Bay loves cheap laughs, and again, I anticipated that he would not restraint himself from his brand of humor. So whatever, it is a Bay film through and through, and there's nothing else to say about it.

[CrazyBlu-RayFan]

Originally Posted by Herry Dunston

I just don't think this kind of story should be made for cheap laughs,

Most of the laughs in this movie came from the real story, in the film, when they

[Show spoiler]chopped up the bodies

is almost exactly how it happen, when I read about it in the real story I laughed because these guys were idiots, I mean the criminals

[Show spoiler]had to chop up the bodies of the people they kill and they forgot to put gas in the chainsaw and when one of them went to go get some, on the way back... they stop at subway

and they PLANED (yes, they actually planed this in real life) to kidnap the first guy

[Show spoiler]dressed as ninjas.

How could you not make that into a dark comedy.

[Herry Dunston]

Originally Posted by YoungCrazyBlu-RayFan

Most of the laughs in this movie came from the real story, in the film, when they

[Show spoiler]chopped up the bodies

is almost exactly how it happen, when I read about it in the real story I laughed because these guys were idiots, I mean the criminals

[Show spoiler]had to chop up the bodies of the people they kill and they forgot to put gas in the chainsaw and when one of them went to go get some, on the way back... they stop at subway

and they PLANED (yes, they actually planed this in real life) to kidnap the first guy

[Show spoiler]dressed as ninjas.

How could you not make that into a dark comedy.

I can see how intentionally ridiculous these events occurred, and if what you said really is fact, then who I am to whine about true events. But I'm not exactly laughing at those, particular due to Bay's lack of sensibilities; yeah, perhaps in another director's hands, he would find a way to make such horrible scenes hilarious. But not with Bay IMO.

BTW, your signature, that's ONE of the few things that had me chuckled, if only because of how blunt it was executed.

[CrazyBlu-RayFan]

Originally Posted by Herry Dunston

I can see how intentionally ridiculous these events occurred, and if what you said really is fact, then who I am to whine about true events. But I'm not exactly laughing at those, particular due to Bay's lack of sensibilities; yeah, perhaps in another director's hands, he would find a way to make such horrible scenes hilarious. But not with Bay IMO.

If you think that way that's fine, but in my opinion I can not think of a another director that is excessive and over the top enough in his directing to make a movie based on a true story that is so far out there and about american excess, in my opinion this is the kind of movie he is put on earth to do, this felt like a lost masterpiece of the 1990's, seriously, I would watch this movie with something like Fight Club, this is Michael Bay's Fight Club and I mean that as a compliment. But to each there own I guess. BTW, hated all of his other movies, this is the only movie of his that I liked, his other ones I can not stand.

Originally Posted by Herry Dunston

BTW, your signature, that's ONE of the few things that had me chuckled, if only because of how blunt it was executed.

My signature is a line from The Cinema Snob's review of Water Power. I loved the movie as much Brad "The Cinema Snob" Jones did, which is why my review for this movie sounds like his because I agreed with it 100%

[Herry Dunston]

Is that so? That's one hell of a connection.

As I said before, while I'm not a fan of Bay's elements, Pain and Gain is a movie made for him. That's the nicest thing I can say about it.

[CrazyBlu-RayFan]

Originally Posted by Herry Dunston

Is that so? That's one hell of a connection.

As I said before, while I'm not a fan of Bay's elements, Pain and Gain is a movie made for him. That's the nicest thing I can say about it.

And that's your opinion and I'll respect that, but in my opinion, I love, love, love this movie and like I said my opinion on Michael Bay's other movies is I either didn't care for them(the Bad Boys movies, The Rock) or flat out hated them (Pearl Harbor, the Transformers movies), this is the only Michael Bay movie I liked.

[Herry Dunston]

And you'll certainly have a place among other admirers here. Not a lot of people really hated this film like some of his past works; even its dissenters were somewhat forgiving about the film. There are other films this year that are more worthy of critical derision.

[kdawq]

Originally Posted by YoungCrazyBlu-RayFan

And that's your opinion and I'll respect that, but in my opinion, I love, love, love this movie and like I said my opinion on Michael Bay's other movies is I either didn't care for them(the Bad Boys movies, The Rock) or flat out hated them (Pearl Harbor, the Transformers movies), this is the only Michael Bay movie I liked.

Have you seen the Island? By far Michael Bays best film, not to derail the thread lol