Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[ArmyOfDarknessAW]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

This is the post I was referring to.

And? I wasn't aware thinking the PC did things better made me a fanboy. I guess I should sell my Xbox, PlayStation, Wii, Vita, etc...And just dedicate my life to the PC master race. Gotcha.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by ArmyOfDarknessAW

And? I wasn't aware thinking the PC did things better made me a fanboy. I guess I should sell my Xbox, PlayStation, Wii, Vita, etc...And just dedicate my life to the PC master race. Gotcha.

You talk of contradictions then have a go at me for thinking I know it all (which I don't) then call people stupid and idiots if they don't know what you do? Can't you see the irony in that?

[BlakkMajik3000]

Originally Posted by ArmyOfDarknessAW

By catches up to PC what do you mean? Sales or turning into digital only? Consoles are becoming more and more PC as they go. Hell this whole Scorpio idea of an upgrade In power to the current system and the past games still work is even more PC like. People are probably underestimating things on that front. I remember back in 2009 or so when most games were still able to be purchased in a store that people clung to the "I'm never going digital" argument and here we are in 2017 where you can't buy a PC game without it being digital. Even the ones you buy in store are either a case with a code or the disc for a faster install, but still a code for an account to activate it on Steam. It'll come faster than people expect with consoles.

Two things: Upgrade-able components and game mods. Consoles are very closed and rigid, allowing very little user customization.

Without upgrade-able components, PC will always have the edge in terms of graphics and overall performance. Without modding capability, you are always stuck with whatever content the developer(s) provide.

The fact is, consoles and PC gamers have different requirements. For either platform to match the other, they would have to give up the things that make them the most attractive.

In regards to digital distribution, I don't mind "registering" my copy, I'm just not going to wait hours for it to download and install. It really irks me when I buy a game that "comes with" another game (such as the Infinite Warfare/Modern Warfare Remastered bundle), but one game is download only.

[ArmyOfDarknessAW]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

You talk of contradictions then have a go at me for thinking I know it all (which I don't) then call people stupid and idiots if they don't know what you do? Can't you see the irony in that?

Absolutely.

[zarquon]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Sorry, but it's no good having a go at me when your post comes across as pure fanboy fare. It's a bit strong to say people are idiots for not realising you can hook up a PC to a tv. The older generation especially are not in tune with stuff like that.
My words don't contradict anything. The difference is if PCS ARE in living rooms, they ain't linked up to the Tv with people gaming on there, they are sitting in the corner ready to be used for typing letters, Facebook maybe and a bit of simple Image editing possibly. In most cases, I believe that to be true.

So what if SOME people use them linked up a tv, most don't. It's obvious that you have a bee in your bonnet about this subject, and it's a weekend so I can't be bothered to argue with you.

Hey, I've had a PC in my living room using my TV as a secondary monitor for years, with options for wireless mouse and keyboard, controller, or joystick, depending on the game, and I'm 62; but I'm probably a bit of a statistical anomaly. I guess you do have a point, though, I don't think I personally know anyone else who does this...

[zorbonaut]

Originally Posted by zarquon

Hey, I've had a PC in my living room using my TV as a secondary monitor for years, with options for wireless mouse and keyboard, controller, or joystick, depending on the game, and I'm 62; but I'm probably a bit of a statistical anomaly. I guess you do have a point, though, I don't think I personally know anyone else who does this...

That is the point that I was trying to make. I personally know of no one who does this in my life. I'm not saying it doesn't happen because I know it does but there is no way that PC gaming will take over the console or even phone gaming world.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Don't believe the hype bud. Cable tv has not sunk as much as the internet wants you to believe. Same with Digital HD. It's not doing well at all.

I don't have to believe the hype. I can see it with my own eyes. I spent the first 20 years of my career in the newspaper biz and many of my colleagues just didn't believe that the internet would surpass print media either. That is why I am no longer managing in the business.

I work with a lot of clients in my job now and I can tell you that a good majority of them have cut the cord in our discussions. Those that haven't cut the cord yet all stream movies and shows. I realize that this is purely anecdotal but I'm sure that you could find statistics that back this up. This is just a fact of life in today's world. Even many of the 60+ people I know have at minimum Netflix or Prime streaming through their TV's. My wifes grandparents are in their mid 90's and they stream Netflix through their smart tv.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by zorbonaut

That is the point that I was trying to make. I personally know of no one who does this in my life. I'm not saying it doesn't happen because I know it does but there is no way that PC gaming will take over the console or even phone gaming world.




I don't have to believe the hype. I can see it with my own eyes. I spent the first 20 years of my career in the newspaper biz and many of my colleagues just didn't believe that the internet would surpass print media either. That is why I am no longer managing in the business.

I work with a lot of clients in my job now and I can tell you that a good majority of them have cut the cord in our discussions. Those that haven't cut the cord yet all stream movies and shows. I realize that this is purely anecdotal but I'm sure that you could find statistics that back this up. This is just a fact of life in today's world. Even many of the 60+ people I know have at minimum Netflix or Prime streaming through their TV's. My wifes grandparents are in their mid 90's and they stream Netflix through their smart tv.

We will see.

[zarquon]

Originally Posted by zorbonaut

That is the point that I was trying to make. I personally know of no one who does this in my life. I'm not saying it doesn't happen because I know it does but there is no way that PC gaming will take over the console or even phone gaming world.

You're probably right, though I do agree with those here that feel PC gaming is the better experience. In my case, many years ago when I got my first LCD TV, one of the first things I did was set up a PC in the living room to hook to it, it just seemed the most obvious thing in world to me; yet for some reason, it never even occurs to most people, regardless of age.

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[alchav21]

Originally Posted by zorbonaut

That is the point that I was trying to make. I personally know of no one who does this in my life. I'm not saying it doesn't happen because I know it does but there is no way that PC gaming will take over the console or even phone gaming world.

I don't have to believe the hype. I can see it with my own eyes. I spent the first 20 years of my career in the newspaper biz and many of my colleagues just didn't believe that the internet would surpass print media either. That is why I am no longer managing in the business.

I work with a lot of clients in my job now and I can tell you that a good majority of them have cut the cord in our discussions. Those that haven't cut the cord yet all stream movies and shows. I realize that this is purely anecdotal but I'm sure that you could find statistics that back this up. This is just a fact of life in today's world. Even many of the 60+ people I know have at minimum Netflix or Prime streaming through their TV's. My wifes grandparents are in their mid 90's and they stream Netflix through their smart tv.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

We will see.

We have gone all over the place with Disc vs Digital, and now we are taking on Gaming but we still can't convince some of the Die Hards like Steedeel. Digital Streaming is just coming on strong, even this Thread has seen it. Check out this Link Verizon is going Streaming:

https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/...-Summer-139269

Comcast and AT&T have done the same, so you guys tell me if Digital Streaming is not The Future!

[zorbonaut]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

We will see.

I hear there are some openings in the newspaper business

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by zorbonaut

I hear there are some openings in the newspaper business

The truth is out there. It's just cutting through the 90 percent crap.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

We have gone all over the place with Disc vs Digital, and now we are taking on Gaming but we still can't convince some of the Die Hards like Steedeel. Digital Streaming is just coming on strong, even this Thread has seen it. Check out this Link Verizon is going Streaming:

https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/...-Summer-139269

Comcast and AT&T have done the same, so you guys tell me if Digital Streaming is not The Future!

Streaming subscription, couldn't agree more. That plus disc. I don't see a future for UV though.

Tech evangelists were telling us MP3 is the final word and now it's being replaced. That's well before it managed to kill off the CD! I hear the same tunes in this argument, pardon the pun.
Disc will last.

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by ArmyOfDarknessAW

And? You do realize they make more from digital right? With a retail game you're splitting profit with the stores that are carrying the game also. Here's a breakdown roughly of where your money goes for a $60 game at Target or Walmart.

With digital Sony, Microsoft, Valve, Apple, etc
...Take 30% of your final total. That it a flat 30% is what you're paying. So instead of $7 to Sony and $15 to Target they're paying $18 to Sony. Sony gets more money and the developer gets and extra $4 per game. Going all digital will happen. As I said my money is on within 10 years.

You missed my point. The two biggest markets are physical console games and digital PC games. If Sony and Microsoft try to drive people to digital console games I think they will instead drive people to PC. Sony and Microsoft don't make any money off of third-party games on PC, Valve does.

So instead of $7 to Sony and $15 to Target, it'll just be $18 to Valve. How is that good for Sony?

It would also be foolish to think if everything was digital only that all the customers who are currently buying physical would be fine with buying digital and willing to pay same the prices. Just like with movies the primary thing that draws people to digital is low prices: very few people are buying games or movies for full price on digital.

[ArmyOfDarknessAW]

Originally Posted by PenguinMaster

So instead of $7 to Sony and $15 to Target, it'll just be $18 to Valve. How is that good for Sony?

.

Thank you very much for putting words into my mouth. Reread what you quoted me on and you'll see I only mentioned Valve once (along with Microsoft, Sony, and Apple) and you completely twisted what I said to something about Valve getting the money and not Sony. I'm done with this. If you're going to twist words there is zero point continuing on. Respond if you want....I won't. Good day.


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[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by ArmyOfDarknessAW

Thank you very much for putting words into my mouth. Reread what you quoted me on and you'll see I only mentioned Valve once (along with Microsoft, Sony, and Apple) and you completely twisted what I said to something about Valve getting the money and not Sony. I'm done with this. If you're going to twist words there is zero point continuing on. Respond if you want....I won't. Good day.

I wasn't twisting your words. I didn't say that you said that Valve will get the money.

I'm saying that Valve will get the money. My point was that if Sony and Microsoft try to drive people to digital they'll drive people to PC instead. You just ignored that point and responded that digital gets the distributor more money. I agree with that... but Sony wouldn't be the distributor for digital if it drives people to PC.

It's fine if you don't agree with that point. But you never responded to it, you just ignored it.

[ArmyOfDarknessAW]

Not twisting words yet...

"With digital Sony, Microsoft, Valve, Apple, etc
...Take 30% of your final total. That it a flat 30% is what you're paying. So instead of $7 to Sony and $15 to Target they're paying $18 to Sony. Sony gets more money and the developer gets and extra $4 per game. Going all digital will happen. As I said my money is on within 10 years.
"

Valve is mentioned exactly once right here....ONCE. the whole breakdown CLEARLY mentions Sony... Considering Sony is mentioned four damn times. But year sure I said Valve will get it . Whatever. Keep on keeping on. This thread is a wasteland. Unsubscribed. The movie subforum is considerably better use of time.

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by ArmyOfDarknessAW

Not twisting words yet...

"With digital Sony, Microsoft, Valve, Apple, etc
...Take 30% of your final total. That it a flat 30% is what you're paying. So instead of $7 to Sony and $15 to Target they're paying $18 to Sony. Sony gets more money and the developer gets and extra $4 per game. Going all digital will happen. As I said my money is on within 10 years.
"

Valve is mentioned exactly once right here....ONCE. the whole breakdown CLEARLY mentions Sony... Considering Sony is mentioned four damn times. But year sure I said Valve will get it . Whatever. Keep on keeping on. This thread is a wasteland. Unsubscribed. The movie subforum is considerably better use of time.

I know you didn't say Valve will get it. I said Valve will get it. What is hard to understand about that?

If I was buying digital games I'd be buying PC games. Instead of getting 11% of the price of my physical console games, Sony would get 0% of the price of my digital PC games. In the physical games market Sony and Microsoft are not competing with Valve, in the digital games market they are. If they try to switch entirely to digital games they'll lose a lot more business to Valve.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by alchav21

We have gone all over the place with Disc vs Digital, and now we are taking on Gaming but we still can't convince some of the Die Hards like Steedeel. Digital Streaming is just coming on strong, even this Thread has seen it. Check out this Link Verizon is going Streaming:

https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/...-Summer-139269

Comcast and AT&T have done the same, so you guys tell me if Digital Streaming is not The Future!

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Streaming subscription, couldn't agree more. That plus disc. I don't see a future for UV though.

Tech evangelists were telling us MP3 is the final word and now it's being replaced. That's well before it managed to kill off the CD! I hear the same tunes in this argument, pardon the pun.
Disc will last.

Well the Postings have become very boring, unless we are talking about Disc vs Digital HD. So here is an Article that says Streaming Video is outpacing Disc Sales:

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php...&id=1484897263

Granted that most of it is because of Services like Amazon and Netflix, but Providers like Vudu and iTunes are also in the mix. I think UV is doing well in The States by the amount of Stores and the success of Vudu. We will just have to see how things pan out for the rest of this year.

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Well the Postings have become very boring, unless we are talking about Disc vs Digital HD. So here is an Article that says Streaming Video is outpacing Disc Sales:

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php...&id=1484897263

Granted that most of it is because of Services like Amazon and Netflix, but Providers like Vudu and iTunes are also in the mix. I think UV is doing well in The States by the amount of Stores and the success of Vudu. We will just have to see how things pan out for the rest of this year.

It's no surprise that rentals and subscriptions are mostly digital now. But there's no indication that digital purchases will overtake physical purchases any time soon. When buying something to keep most people still want something tangible, especially if it costs more than a few dollars. Over a million discs (Blu-ray and DVD) are sold every week for more than $15 each... I don't think digital will ever achieve that.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Well the Postings have become very boring, unless we are talking about Disc vs Digital HD. So here is an Article that says Streaming Video is outpacing Disc Sales:

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php...&id=1484897263

Granted that most of it is because of Services like Amazon and Netflix, but Providers like Vudu and iTunes are also in the mix. I think UV is doing well in The States by the amount of Stores and the success of Vudu. We will just have to see how things pan out for the rest of this year.

It's a pointless article. It's the old 'throw in the rest' routine. D- must try harder.