Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

After Disney Reveals ‘Black Widow’ Streaming Revenues, Other Studios Feel the Pressure - Variety 7/13



I think if Disney is willing to show how's its doing revenue wise with premium access as a regular stat, it could be very tough for other streaming services that are competing in the same manner to hide their less stellar Streaming Revenue from the marketplace.

Who else besides Disney offers new movies for XX dollars at the same time they go into theaters? HBO Max, Amazon Prime Video, Peacock, Netflix, Paramount+ . . . none of them do.

Trolls World Tour was a one off.

And the analysis is spot on. Wall Street likes sub numbers. That's how Disney's stock rose from $125 a share to well over $200 a share. While AT&T STILL can't get over $30 a share. And Netflix has been selling for well over $500 a share even though they haven't made any money. But they are in over 190 countries with well over 200 million subscribers.

[cheez avenger]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

The opinions vary in the related forum thread especially compared the 1995 film that was so bad.

I love the 1995 version.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

I love the 1995 version.

Same here, have it on BD. Dumped out of the new one after a period of time.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Who else besides Disney offers new movies for XX dollars at the same time they go into theaters? HBO Max, Amazon Prime Video, Peacock, Netflix, Paramount+ . . . none of them do.

Trolls World Tour was a one off.

And the analysis is spot on. Wall Street likes sub numbers. That's how Disney's stock rose from $125 a share to well over $200 a share. While AT&T STILL can't get over $30 a share. And Netflix has been selling for well over $500 a share even though they haven't made any money. But they are in over 190 countries with well over 200 million subscribers.

Never waste a opportunity to get those Disney shares mentioned!

[Ender14]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

After Disney Reveals ‘Black Widow’ Streaming Revenues, Other Studios Feel the Pressure - Variety 7/13



I think if Disney is willing to show how's its doing revenue wise with premium access as a regular stat, it could be very tough for other streaming services that are competing in the same manner to hide their less stellar Streaming Revenue from the marketplace.

Agreed. Disney may regret opening this Pandora's Box. If they do not release these numbers for Premiere Access titles going forward (i.e. for Jungle Cruise) then they run the risk of having them perceived as a failure. They weren't thinking ahead when they made this decision.

[bhampton]

If movies want to release to home video and theaters at the same time they should be priced around $80 or so. In the past when the notion was mentioned on other forums I visit it was suggested that would be how it goes. Face it, the 1%-ers need things to spend stupidly on if only for the purposes of laundering that money.

If anyone thinks things are going to steaming only and wants to point at any particular set of data that proves it, It won't happen in my lifetime at least at my house and really that's what matters most to me.. Even with the best connection it's easy to see the finished product is far too compromised unless you like watching video on a phone and sadly I see people do that a lot.

Maybe there's no fate but what we create. Let's hope for the best.


In other news .... I think my house was hit by lightning last night or at least that's what it sounded like and this AM one of my garage door openers is on strike and things on my home network that have assigned IP's all had new and very strange IP addresses that I have never seen before. Being home alone I unplugged everything with networking and rebooted it all. Thankfully the network is back to normal. I'm amazed at how many things in my home rely on the network and I'm encouraged to do a little pruning of things I could do without and optimizing of things I still use.

[Steedeel]

I can’t believe I was worried about lack of disc releases in 2020 and 2021. I am now just 10 short for my list for 2022. It normally takes me until October for my 70 blind buys to be complete for that year. (based on research and following film from pre production through to release). This list doesn’t include 20-30 catalogue titles or erotica from VS.

I can now start work on my 2023 list, which again will be a mix of Blu-Ray and UHD. I like to be prepared!

If anyone is interested, I can provide my 2022 list for reference.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Ender14

Agreed. Disney may regret opening this Pandora's Box. If they do not release these numbers for Premiere Access titles going forward (i.e. for Jungle Cruise) then they run the risk of having them perceived as a failure. They weren't thinking ahead when they made this decision.

Keep em guessing. Good strategy.

[Steedeel]

Been reading more about the development of perceptive media and object Based Broadcasting and I still say it’s going to spoil film in the future. It’s media that adapts on the fly to a individual’s preferences. It also allows the user to adjust the length of the film or show also. It sounds horrific to me.

https://www.v-net.tv/2018/08/24/obje...edia-business/

It could ruin the linear film experience beyond repair.

[Lee A Stewart]

Global Box Office Makes “Asymmetrical” Recovery From Covid, Forecasters Say, With Return To 2019 Levels Not Due Until 2024

https://deadline.com/2021/07/box-off...wc-1234790584/

[slimjean]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Been reading more about the development of perceptive media and object Based Broadcasting and I still say it’s going to spoil film in the future. It’s media that adapts on the fly to a individual’s preferences. It also allows the user to adjust the length of the film or show also. It sounds horrific to me.

https://www.v-net.tv/2018/08/24/obje...edia-business/

It could ruin the linear film experience beyond repair.

Eh, it just makes the older releases that much more enticing. "Be careful what you wish for" is so relevant.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by slimjean

Eh, it just makes the older releases that much more enticing. "Be careful what you wish for" is so relevant.

I’m certainly not wishing for it. I like my content non interactive. I f**** hate the modern world sometimes, they want to ruin every thing we hold dear.

I have brought it up a few times but nobody seems arsed about it? It’s coming for sure, too many big corporations are working on it.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I’m certainly not wishing for it. I like my content non interactive. I f**** hate the modern world sometimes, they want to ruin every thing we hold dear.

I have brought it up a few times but nobody seems arsed about it? It’s coming for sure, too many big corporations are working on it.

You said much the same thing about Quibi; it had big names investing big money into it, too. Where is Quibi now?

Relax and enjoy today. Tomorrow can look after itself.

Your movie list for 2022 is far more interesting, btw.

[veritas]

Originally Posted by Ender14

As Steedeel said, the die hard fans see it ASAP. I know people who are still cautious about Covid that braved the theater just to see it on the big screen. The casual viewers who are cautious are more likely to stay away period.



Fair points. They may not in which case we could not verify whether your estimation is correct or not. But I would think if the numbers continued to be that impressive they would have no problem reporting them. They obviously wanted to toot their horn at the Premiere Access success of the movie. If it continues to do that well I see no reason why they would want to keep it a secret.

Unless the numbers drop off significantly in which case their silence could confirm my theory. If anyone wants to see the movie twice in theaters they have to pay again. With Premiere Access they can watch it as many times as they want. Logic would dictate that there will be a sharper drop in Premiere Access revenue because those that have already paid will not need to do so again. Logic would also dictate that the majority of those who are willing to pay $30 for Premiere Access have already done so.

I'm not saying they won't make anymore money from Premiere Access, but I'm willing to guarantee the drop off will be more significant than the 55% - 60% drop seen in theatrical releases.

Personally I don't think premier will be much of a threat for box office performance. Covid cases are doubling every 2 weeks or less and we are already at about 40k a day. I would guess a lot of people going for premier would not have gone to theaters to begin with. premier is really mostly just recouping lost revenue caused by covid right now.

Also the money they make on premier isn't money they have to share with the theaters which has to be a nice bargaining chip for the future (theaters cant afford to boycott disney + premier being worth x dollars is very good leverage for how much theaters are worth to disney).

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by bhampton

[Show spoiler]If movies want to release to home video and theaters at the same time they should be priced around $80 or so. In the past when the notion was mentioned on other forums I visit it was suggested that would be how it goes. Face it, the 1%-ers need things to spend stupidly on if only for the purposes of laundering that money.

If anyone thinks things are going to steaming only and wants to point at any particular set of data that proves it, It won't happen in my lifetime at least at my house and really that's what matters most to me.. Even with the best connection it's easy to see the finished product is far too compromised unless you like watching video on a phone and sadly I see people do that a lot.

Maybe there's no fate but what we create. Let's hope for the best.


In other news .... I think my house was hit by lightning last night or at least that's what it sounded like and this AM one of my garage door openers is on strike and things on my home network that have assigned IP's all had new and very strange IP addresses that I have never seen before. Being home alone I unplugged everything with networking and rebooted it all. Thankfully the network is back to normal. I'm amazed at how many things in my home rely on the network and I'm encouraged to do a little pruning of things I could do without and optimizing of things I still use.

I am glad that you escaped such an event mostly unscathed. You could have lost a lot more than a garage door opener.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

You said much the same thing about Quibi; it had big names investing big money into it, too. Where is Quibi now?

Relax and enjoy today. Tomorrow can look after itself.

The difference being this is a new broadcasting/delivery system that will replace the current one. Meaning once it’s implemented, it’s locked in. Quibi was a huge bet on mobile premium content, this is a new way of sending content to mass audiences, be it subscription or free broadcast. It’s already in use by Sky sports in the form of OBA (Object Based Audio). It allows for adjustment of audio layers to eliminate crowd noise, enhance dialogue, block commentators, enhance audio etc.. so far so good, it’s the ability of the viewer to edit content on the video side that has me worried.

Current content is edited together then sent to mass audiences. OBB divides the content up into individual objects. For example, a frame of video, a sound effect, a line of dialogue, an on screen object, etc..
It then sends all those objects to the viewer along with metadata to indicate how it should or could be arranged. This content can change to suit the individual audience member’s preferences. So, if it was a film the basic plot would be there but it could be manipulated in many ways to make it more personal.

So while I see your point about Quibi (and I was wrong in that case) this is more a whole movement into a new way of creating content. Interactive without requiring the viewer to press buttons (perceptive media is another term related to OBB.)

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

The difference being this is a new broadcasting/delivery system that will replace the current one. Meaning once it’s implemented, it’s locked in. Quibi was a huge bet on mobile premium content, this is a new way of sending content to mass audiences, be it subscription or free broadcast. It’s already in use by Sky sports in the form of OBA (Object Based Audio). It allows for adjustment of audio layers to eliminate crowd noise, enhance dialogue, block commentators, enhance audio etc.. so far so good, it’s the ability of the viewer to edit content on the video side that has me worried.

Current content is edited together then sent to mass audiences. OBB divides the content up into individual objects. For example, a frame of video, a sound effect, a line of dialogue, an on screen object, etc..
It then sends all those objects to the viewer along with metadata to indicate how it should or could be arranged. This content can change to suit the individual audience member’s preferences. So, if it was a film the basic plot would be there but it could be manipulated in many ways to make it more personal.

You have explained what it is as many times as you have posted your fear of it. For all of your fretting it remains an obscure option and even if it is more widely offered, it will remain optional. No one has to interact with it unless they want to and most people dislike advertising and want less of it, not more of it.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Shoppable tv coming to U.K. via ITV. Sigh.

Like something an actor is wearing? A shade of lipstick, Mascara? Maybe a pair of sunglasses? Now you can buy the product direct from your tv with a pop up screen that offers products available in whatever specific screen you are watching.

Oh, just f*** off!

Gladly, it’s a opt in option and can be ignored on smart TVs (for now)

As for making my own alternate cuts, discs have been offering alternate cuts, openings, and endings for many years along with original and revisionist audio mixes (Dolby Atmos on movies that pre-date the technology, for example). My blu-ray of Blade Runner in the fancy briefcase packaging gives me five versions of this movie alone...and I watch the one cut that I prefer almost every time.

The long and short of it is this: movies and TV shows will be fine and no one will make you do anything that you do not want to do. Go make some popcorn and enjoy a movie with that nice projector of yours and stop worrying about every "what if" that pops into your head.

Although I do wonder about ordering mascara thru interactive content as you described a few days back. I am curious what a good mascara could do for my new emaciated look; it might make me a more convincing zombie this Halloween.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

You have explained what it is as many times as you have posted your fear of it. For all of your fretting it remains an obscure option and even if it is more widely offered, it will remain optional. No one has to interact with it unless they want to and most people dislike advertising and want less of it, not more of it.

As for making my own alternate cuts, discs have been offering alternate cuts, openings, and endings for many years along with original and revisionist audio mixes (Dolby Atmos on movies that pre-date the technology, for example). My blu-ray of Blade Runner in the fancy briefcase packaging gives me five versions of this movie alone...and I watch the cut that I prefer almost every time.

The long and short of it is this: movies and TV shows will be fine and no one will make you do anything that you do not want to do. Go make some popcorn and enjoy a movie with that nice projector of yours and stop worrying about every "what if" that pops into your head.

Although I do wonder about ordering mascara that way as you described a few days back. I am curious what a good mascara could do for my new emaciated look; it might make me a more convincing zombie this Halloween.

Will you at least research it in more depth? It’s not more advertising though, it’s what was baked in content that now changes on the fly to your personal preferences. It’s quite complicated to explain but it could change content forever. That’s how seriously the likes of BBC, Sky and BT are taking it here. Some huge US companies are involved also. It would entail changing their complete work flow to IP delivery which apparently wil, also make savings and save on production time. Where would that even leave traditional films? If all content was customisable I mean.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Will you at least research it in more depth? It’s not more advertising though, it’s what was baked in content that now changes on the fly to your personal preferences. It’s quite complicated to explain but it could change content forever. That’s how seriously the likes of BBC, Sky and BT are taking it here. Some huge US companies are involved also. It would entail changing their complete work flow to IP delivery which apparently wil, also make savings and save on production time. Where would that even leave traditional films? If all content was customisable I mean.

Research takes effort and just these few posts back and forth are about to exhaust my waning energy. If I was more concerned, and if I had more oom pah pah, I might delve into your rabbit hole, but there probably isn't room enough for both of us.

It's just giving people more options that they may, or may not, even care about. The options chosen by others won't impact the options that you choose. Most people will likely just press "play" and then sit back and veg out in front of their screen like they usually do.

To a large degree, content is already customizable and it has been for a long time. Look at all of the fan edits out there in the no man's land that is the internet. Plenty of ways to make those edits one's self if a person were so inclined.

Your 2022 movie list remains more interesting.

[Steedeel]

[Show spoiler] Wonder Woman 1984 4K
2. Justice League (Snyder Cut)
3. Godzilla V Kong 3D
4. Gemini Man 3D
5. Alita: Battle Angel 3D
6. The Wizard Of Oz 3D
7. Skyscraper 3D
8. Glass (4K)
9. Tenet (4K)
10. Fanny Lye Delivered (4K)
11. The Predator
12. The Endless
13. Anna And The Apocalypse
14. Images
15. Ken Loach Trilogy
16. The Father
17. Why Don’t You Just Die?
18. Promising Young Woman (aug 2nd)
19. A Quiet Place 2 4K
20. Old
21. The Black Panther BFI
22. I Start Counting
23. The Golden Glove
24. Come True
25. Palm Springs (July 9th German)
26. Spiral (Saw 9)
27. Flesh For Frankenstein 3D
28. Escape Room 2
29. The 800
30. Memories Of Murder/Barking Dogs Never Bite
31. The Posession
32. P2
33. Anything For Jackson (German July 30th)
34. Tigers Are Not Afraid (august 16th)
35. Mystery Of The Wax Museum
36. The Dark And The Wicked (July)
37. One Cut Of The Dead
38. The Lodge
39. Terrified (September)
40. Nobody
41. Stalker
42. The Swimmer
43. The Power
44. Impetigore
45. Shawshank 4K
46. From Dusk Til Dawn 4K?
47.
48.
49.
50.
51.
52.
53.
54.
55. Reserved VS
56. Reserved VS
57. Reserved VS
58. Firestorm/Spitfire
59. Frat House
60.
61. Taxi Girls/Heavenly Desire
62. 1001 Erotic Nights 1&2
63. A Touch Of Genie
64. China And Silk
65. Furies Sexuelles/Prostitution Clandestine
66. Summer Camp Girls
67. Tinseltown/China Girl
68. Halloween Kills (2022)
69. No Time To Die (2022)
70. Last Night In Soho (2022)

Sorry for the acquired taste erotica choices!

Last 3 are subject to late 2021 release but cut off point is January 2022 incase they spill over.

Reserved is for as yet unnamed Vineger Syndrome reveals.