Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[bhampton]

Happy Friday the 13th Everybody.

I'm watching 2009 remake.



One of the funnest movies that I found at the Dollar Store.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by bhampton

Happy Friday the 13th Everybody.

I'm watching 2009 remake.



One of the funnest movies that I found at the Dollar Store.

I spent F13 having a circumstition. Got home 2 hours ago. Too much info but there you go!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Actually down YOY by -28.88%. Did you not see that in the sales thread?

Ouch.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Actually down YOY by -28.88%. Did you not see that in the sales thread?

That is the metric for Digital EST. Streaming is up 21.44%

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

That is the metric for Digital EST. Streaming is up 21.44%

This thread is for EST, which is sinking. Subscription is just the new (better) cable.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

This thread is for EST, which is sinking. Subscription is just the new (better) cable.

Keep in mind that AVOD - free ad supported streaming is skyrocketing. More so than SVOD. Cable was never free.

Also for Physical Media which is once again down: 25.66%

Seems people aren't buying content as much as they were not that long ago.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Keep in mind that AVOD - free ad supported streaming is skyrocketing. More so than SVOD. Cable was never free.

Also for Physical Media which is once again down: 25.66%

Seems people aren't buying content as much as they were not that long ago.

EST is just as dependant on a good steady stream of blockbusters as discs is. It’s that simple.

Ad supported content is as far removed from my tastes as possible. Going from 4K disc to add supported potato vision is like someone taking a dump in my HT.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

EST is just as dependant on a good steady stream of blockbusters as discs is. It’s that simple.

Nope! Look at the numbers from last year:

Ad supported content is as far removed from my tastes as possible. Going from 4K disc to add supported potato vision is like someone taking a dump in my HT.

Well, the other 99.5% of home theater users don't have the same elitist opinion as you do.

[cheez avenger]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Well, the other 99.5% of home theater users don't have the same elitist opinion as you do.

I don't do ads either unless it's on a free service like Tubi, where ads cannot be helped. If I pay for the service like HULU, HBO MAX, etc., I always go for the ad-free option.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

I don't do ads either unless it's on a free service like Tubi, where ads cannot be helped. If I pay for the service like HULU, HBO MAX, etc., I always go for the ad-free option.

There's a reason why Hulu, HBO Max and Peacock offer AVOD along with SVOD. It's a less expensive option for consumers and . . . it's more profitable.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Actually down YOY by -28.88%. Did you not see that in the sales thread?

Well to me Streaming is Streaming, you pull up a Movie or TV Show on Streaming that's what you are watching. As oppose to putting a Disc in a Player. Very simple you either Stream or watch a Disc....but you can call it what ever you want!

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Keep in mind that AVOD - free ad supported streaming is skyrocketing. More so than SVOD. Cable was never free.

Also for Physical Media which is once again down: 25.66%

Seems people aren't buying content as much as they were not that long ago.

Internet service is never free, either, and without it you are not streaming anything. If I did not want to stream or play online video games, I could get by with a rock bottom priced ADSL plan saving myself $50 per month.

Actual purchases of content have been declining for many years and well before the pandemic was a factor. Even in those years where EST has seen growth it was never enough to offset the drop in physical media sales. The combination of the two has been in decline since 2011. People are buying less content and that has been the case for a decade now. It is not simply a matter of people switching which format they buy; many have stopped buying content altogether or they have reduced how much they spend for content.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Ouch.

No real reason to celebrate; physical media sank like a rock, too, down 25.66%.

Despite EST's 28.88% drop in the first half of 2021, EST still made more in sales $ than did physical media. EST sales were $1.14775 billion and physical media sales were $947.48 million. The sum of both was $2.09523 billion after the first half of 2021. In 2020 after 6 months, the sum of both was $2.88844 billion. That's a drop of $793.21 million.

Subscription streaming is where the strong and steady growth lies and that has also been the case every single year since at least 2011.

https://www.degonline.org/industry-data/

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Sorry to hear about your troubles, but yes for good Streaming you need reliable Internet Access. With the new Infrastructure Bill there should be some money for ISP's to provide FTTP. I have always said that Fiber is the Gold Standard!

https://www.cnet.com/home/internet/f...tag=CAD590a51e

I won't be holding my breath.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Nope! Look at the numbers from last year:





Well, the other 99.5% of home theater users don't have the same elitist opinion as you do.

Did you ask them all? Pretty sure most HT enthusiasts hate ads.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Internet service is never free, either, and without it you are not streaming anything. If I did not want to stream or play online video games, I could get by with a rock bottom priced ADSL plan saving myself $50 per month.

Actual purchases of content have been declining for many years and well before the pandemic was a factor. Even in those years where EST has seen growth it was never enough to offset the drop in physical media sales. The combination of the two has been in decline since 2011. People are buying less content and that has been the case for a decade now. It is not simply a matter of people switching which format they buy; many have stopped buying content altogether or they have reduced how much they spend for content.



No real reason to celebrate; physical media sank like a rock, too, down 25.66%.

Despite EST's 28.88% drop in the first half of 2021, EST still made more in sales $ than did physical media. EST sales were $1.14775 billion and physical media sales were $947.48 million. The sum of both was $2.09523 billion after the first half of 2021. In 2020 after 6 months, the sum of both was $2.88844 billion. That's a drop of $793.21 million.

Subscription streaming is where the strong and steady growth lies and that has also been the case every single year since at least 2011.

https://www.degonline.org/industry-data/

I know all this but EST falling always perks me up.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Did you ask them all? Pretty sure most HT enthusiasts hate ads.

You were wrong when you stated that EST is like PM - it depends on new movies for it sales. I already disproved that.

Your track record stinks. Why should you be right about this one? What? You going to ask the half a dozen people that populate this thread to side with you?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

You were wrong when you stated that EST is like PM - it depends on new movies for it sales. I already disproved that.

Your track record stinks. Why should you be right about this one? What? You going to ask the half a dozen people that populate this thread to side with you?

Track records eh? You backed HD-DVD in a big way didn’t you?

You are missing the fact many EST titles were made available while not hitting disc last year. Also, didn’t we have way more animated features? (The biggest draw for EST)

Also, it was easier for average Joe’s to buy EST than it was discs with the sometimes huge delays in shipping and general chaos. It looks like the crowd that adopted EST did so on a temporary basis. That spike has spiked!

[bhampton]

Why would EST be falling when so many people are home? ...

Guess people subscribe to the studios plus so they can evade the ads. Ad breaks in a movie ? no thanks

I hate ads but I still tend to watch the superbowl if the teams look interesting.

Happy to be in the better .5%

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Well to me Streaming is Streaming, you pull up a Movie or TV Show on Streaming that's what you are watching. As oppose to putting a Disc in a Player. Very simple you either Stream or watch a Disc....but you can call it what ever you want!

Told ya, He's a Blu Ray Guru

This works for me. Streaming from my player or streaming from somewhere else. It's streaming either way and it's all good.

It's all digital too.

[slimjean]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Like it or not, Disney is under no obligation to "renegotiate" her contract. Both parties are bound by the contract that they signed. Wanting a different deal after the fact, and not getting it, is really just too damn bad for her.

Unless Disney has violated her existing contract, what "promises" did they break exactly? They sure did not make, yet alone break, any promises to the consumer. We are not in any way a party to this contract.

Increasingly, it appears that both parties are looking to try this case in the court of public opinion more than in a court of law. The attempt to cast the consumer as a victim of big bad Disney in this dispute demonstrates that tactic; the consumer was not wronged in any way here.

A rich actress sues a rich company because she wants more than her contract provides; that is all this is about. I won't be shedding any tears for either one of them.

Sorry, but as usual when I read things like this I just gotta call foul (which usually does me no good).

Disney:

“The lawsuit is especially sad and distressing in its callous disregard for the horrific and prolonged global effects of the COVID-19 pandemic. Disney has fully complied with Ms. Johansson’s contract and furthermore, the release of Black Widow on Disney+ with Premier Access has significantly enhanced her ability to earn additional compensation on top of the $20M she has received to date.”

The contract was likely made before Disney+ and it certainly was made with wording that there was a theatrical exclusivity. 1500 theaters should have been the launch with exclusive rights and it wasn't.

Disney greedy asses just couldn't help but take advantage of the "covid" as an excuse to screw over someone with smaller star power than say Robert Downey Jr. who already made his millions. The company has a history of housing sexual predators, and the way she was treated constantly on press tours is exactly why there are protectors of Disney over her. This "rich" woman (which is why she will never be called an actor by some but rather actress) is a victim, and while I applaud that her film finally got made, it wasn't because they were doing her a favor. They took that money because they knew it was there.

I don't get this concept of "public opinion" because people are releasing press remarks. What does that change the justice of what has happened? So now people are not allowed to speak to defend themselves? Disney disclosing her 20 million dollar pay check (which is pittance compared to what it should have been, so she stood to get likely double that and that doesn't matter??) is especially low.

Disney breached the exclusivity, and they used Covid to screw her out of millions. Also the talk that she is somehow attacking the disabled is so low, I swear some people have no shame.

It was not impossible to release Black Widow to the theaters, they just didn't want to do it, because they smelled the money they could make on their own. FACT.

This is the #1 movie that people would have ran out to see, and given the Disney + model, and my ignorance, I didn't do that. I actually cuss my wife for that, but that is another story, because I went along with it and didn't throw a fit. I had no idea that it would change her deal, and looking back I should have known. Women get screwed enough in hollywood (literally). Why would I actively do that to someone that I respect that much? I did it out of convenience rather than doing it out of what I wanted (yup I wanted to see it in a huge theater with people near me enjoying it too...I miss people, I really do).

When you ask "what promises", it is obvious. The terms of the contract are clear from the beginning. Disney + sales don't count towards a box office so she doesn't get squat from it. Doesn't deductive reasoning tell you that if you launch a product outside of the original agreement that it will hurt said sales of product?

Her trying to renegotiate her contract is an attempt to mitigate damages. Those damages are now incurred and are setting up a lawsuit. I wish I had all the money in the world, because yes take what I got to make the point. Win or lose, I would go after them and let it go all the way to judgement. I wrestle with things like that all the way. It takes one to have the guts to see it through, and if she makes it to court I champion her because it is about time that someone show these companies that yes, there are rules and when you break them, you pay. "Rich" woman or not.

Why there are so many protectors of Disney and racist predators (and yes there is proof of both when it comes to this company) I will never know.

I do know this Disney will make claims that they were trying to save people by allowing them the streaming option and all I got to say is this. If that were true, then why not let her renegotiate her terms so she too can "help" toward that goal and mitigate the problems that can and do occur from a justified lawsuit?

And in final, yes the consumer is the victim. In the end they put their money in the hands of companies who want to control what you see, hear, and tell you exactly when to do it, and change what you see on the fly.

Physical is a peer reviewed save state and anything that helps for that not to happen makes the consumer the one that is hurt in the long run.

This can be a landmark case and I am rooting for her all the way. The fact that there are so many men in the same business as her that got their cash are not supporting her shows what they are. It started with Captain Marvel, and I knew it would get to her. That is how empowered females are treated sooner or later.

Originally Posted by Vilya

No real reason to celebrate; physical media sank like a rock, too, down 25.66%.

Despite EST's 28.88% drop in the first half of 2021, EST still made more in sales $ than did physical media. EST sales were $1.14775 billion and physical media sales were $947.48 million. The sum of both was $2.09523 billion after the first half of 2021. In 2020 after 6 months, the sum of both was $2.88844 billion. That's a drop of $793.21 million.

Subscription streaming is where the strong and steady growth lies and that has also been the case every single year since at least 2011.

https://www.degonline.org/industry-data/

The DEG is a joke, and always will be. Boutique labels are non-existent and it is as useless as the RIAA tracking sales of years past.

Baby Boomers retiring and dying has changed the landscape of "owning". It was boom in population that we have not see since and will probably not see anytime soon because of one serious factor: there is a lot more competition now.

Streaming/renting will always be king because that is the nature of most human beings for entertainment. Its very purpose is to get a quick taste and move on to the next thing. It has always been true back to theater, vaudeville, tv....whatever.

A bunch of chicken little's claiming the sky is falling because there are some sales changes while we are experiencing a nice renaissance of quality with Criterion going 4K.

Physical is ebb and flow throughout the history of its existence. The last 10 years have been a trend at most. So what? A 2 billion dollar industry sales figure (which is skewed because it does not track boutique labels on a worldwide sale with any real accuracy) and I am supposed to feel some kind of big disaster?

Sorry, but I just laugh at that. Laugh because I know that selling in the aftermarket is very strong, and there are plenty of supporters and that isn't going away any time soon. Now that said, will it ever match the ones that are watching the Netflix diet soup crap that looks like garbage and has no bite compared to real films? Of course not. I am happy to not be a part of that club. Give me film over digital exclusive anytime anywhere and proud of it. Gotta love the "elitist" moniker that is bestowed on anyone seeking quality.