Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[slimjean]

Fast food quality is always going to deliver first. Nothing to be concerned about. Tis the mindset of a renter that has to have it now.

Of course we all know what happens when you eat too fast. It rarely digests well.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

They're doing a special screening Wednesday via the A24 screening room. It's $20 for a viewing but it's only good for 4 hours from 9PM - 1AM. It will feature an introduction from the actor that played the green knight.

That's way too pricey for such a short window and it's later than I would like in terms of air time. I'll just wait for the eventual 4K disc release. It would be epic if Criterion ended up releasing it.

You are telling me? That would be a dream scenario!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

So the fact that EST now has a 60 to 75 day "head start" over physical - that doesn't concern anyone? What happened to the previous 2 week difference?

Just shows how desperate they are to kick start EST. Good things come to those that wait.

[Ender14]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

So the fact that EST now has a 60 to 75 day "head start" over physical - that doesn't concern anyone? What happened to the previous 2 week difference?

No, why should it? People who collect physical will wait. People who buy digital will get it earlier. I'm sure it may bleed some sales from physical but I don't think it will drastically alter spending habits. Most people that prefer physical will wait the extra time. It's not that big of a deal for most people.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Ender14

No, why should it? People who collect physical will wait. People who buy digital will get it earlier. I'm sure it may bleed some sales from physical but I don't think it will drastically alter spending habits. Most people that prefer physical will wait the extra time. It's not that big of a deal for most people.

So explain to me why the studios are doing this. Is this a reaction to the massive drop in EST sales for the first half of 2021?

[Ender14]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

So explain to me why the studios are doing this. Is this a reaction to the massive drop in EST sales for the first half of 2021?

There are two reasons: 1) To try to make up for lost revenue from theatrical and 2) to entice people to buy digital so they have more control over their content. It is no secret that corporations want people to "purchase" digital so they can control access to their properties. Which is why they try to entice the customers (i.e., suckers) by releasing digital early. Those of us who are patient (i.e., smarter than the corporations) know it is worth the wait for physical.

[avs commenter]

Originally Posted by Ender14

There are two reasons: 1) To try to make up for lost revenue from theatrical and 2) to entice people to buy digital so they have more control over their content. It is no secret that corporations want people to "purchase" digital so they can control access to their properties. Which is why they try to entice the customers (i.e., suckers) by releasing digital early. Those of us who are patient (i.e., smarter than the corporations) know it is worth the wait for physical.

Lol

They like digital as the margins are better and it’s just more popular and profitable right now. They don’t give a f**k about controlling your media

[Ender14]

Originally Posted by avs commenter

Lol

They like digital as the margins are better and it’s just more popular and profitable right now. They don’t give a f**k about controlling your media

That is true as well. But control is also a big factor. Remember DIVX? That was all about control. With digital they've found another way to introduce the same concept only this time it's more convenient so the general masses lap it up. Either way, buying digital is exactly what they want people to do. It's the best of both worlds for them.

But I will stick with my physical purchases that I actually have control over and am not dependent on a prrovider/internet to view my "purchased content". I have no problem whatsoever waiting for the physical release. All good things to those who wait.

[avs commenter]

Originally Posted by Ender14

There are two reasons: 1) To try to make up for lost revenue from theatrical and 2) to entice people to buy digital so they have more control over their content. It is no secret that corporations want people to "purchase" digital so they can control access to their properties. Which is why they try to entice the customers (i.e., suckers) by releasing digital early. Those of us who are patient (i.e., smarter than the corporations) know it is worth the wait for physical.

Like the people who buy the same movie on vhs, dvd, blu ray…are they suckers?

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by avs commenter

Lol

They like digital as the margins are better and it’s just more popular and profitable right now. They don’t give a f**k about controlling your media

Well - that definitely sounds more like a good business decision. But no one seems to care about Physical being treated as the red-headed stepchild. I guess they are just thankful they are getting PM releases in some time frame: 2 months 3 months, 4 months . . . we'll wait.

[Ender14]

Originally Posted by avs commenter

Like the people who buy the same movie on vhs, dvd, blu ray…are they suckers?

I guess we could be viewed that way but there is a tangible benefit to upgrading most of the time. I have no problem purchasing a movie again if I get better quality and/or features not available on earlier releases. If that makes me a sucker then so be it. But at least if I choose I can sell or donate my previous copy. Good luck with that on digital.

[Ender14]

I guess I shouldn't have said "suckers" for those that buy digital. I didn't set out to insult anyone when I started the post but ended up doing so. That's my bad. I understand some people prefer the convenience, I just have a strong aversion to EST.

[cheez avenger]

With the 4K Criterion disc releases coming November keep in mind that November is also one of those 50% off months, so we may not be paying as much for them. I know there's some folks in the main threads falling apart looking at MSRPs.

[Admiral]

Originally Posted by Ender14

I guess we could be viewed that way but there is a tangible benefit to upgrading most of the time. I have no problem purchasing a movie again if I get better quality and/or features not available on earlier releases. If that makes me a sucker then so be it. But at least if I choose I can sell or donate my previous copy. Good luck with that on digital.

One of the benefits of Itunes is the free upgrades to existing movies in your collection without extra cost. So no need to re-buy the same movie again and again.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

So the fact that EST now has a 60 to 75 day "head start" over physical - that doesn't concern anyone? What happened to the previous 2 week difference?

It's a good sign for physical media. If EST was performing as well as the studios hoped they wouldn't have to entice people to buy it over physical media by giving it a head start.

[slimjean]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

It's a good sign for physical media. If EST was performing as well as the studios hoped they wouldn't have to entice people to buy it over physical media by giving it a head start.

Ever notice that the ones that are claiming any kind of problem with the release window are the ones pushing the agenda (you don't have to wait...act now!!).

When it comes to physical I have "waited" my whole life. Well not actually. I was always watching something else I bought.

Only now in all my years of collecting have I truly bought so much that I literally can't keep up. Anymore I just enjoy the heck out of stellar upgrades.

Watching True Romance in 4K still brings a big toothy smile to my face. A Clock Orange, Citizen Kane, For a Few Dollars More, The Red Shoes...it just can't get any better but it will!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by avs commenter

Like the people who buy the same movie on vhs, dvd, blu ray…are they suckers?

The difference in that case is they were UPGRADES. The suckers are people switching from disc as they have poorer quality and don’t really own their content. It’s just a kool aid thing, some are gullible while others stick to their guns.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by slimjean

Ever notice that the ones that are claiming any kind of problem with the release window are the ones pushing the agenda (you don't have to wait...act now!!).

When it comes to physical I have "waited" my whole life. Well not actually. I was always watching something else I bought.

Only now in all my years of collecting have I truly bought so much that I literally can't keep up. Anymore I just enjoy the heck out of stellar upgrades.

Watching True Romance in 4K still brings a big toothy smile to my face. A Clock Orange, Citizen Kane, For a Few Dollars More, The Red Shoes...it just can't get any better but it will!

Same, the monthly releases from the likes of Arrow, Criterion, BFI are hitting it out of the park.

[Ender14]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

With the 4K Criterion disc releases coming November keep in mind that November is also one of those 50% off months, so we may not be paying as much for them. I know there's some folks in the main threads falling apart looking at MSRPs.

Yes, I've seen that as well. But as someone pointed out the UHD's will only be about $5 more during the sales throughout the year. $5 for a UHD upgrade is very reasonable in my opinion.

[Ender14]

Originally Posted by Admiral

One of the benefits of Itunes is the free upgrades to existing movies in your collection without extra cost. So no need to re-buy the same movie again and again.

I always redeem my digital copies and have had many of the those upgrade for free in Vudu. I don't use iTunes because I'm not a fan of their ecosystem.

If it's a movie I love, I don't mind buying it again and supporting the rights holder. Plus as I mentioned, many times the upgrades include new special features. The new UHD of Citizen Kane from Criterion is stacked with new features.

I always watch the special features included with my discs and they are an important part of why I love physical media. I only mark a disc "Watched" on this site once I've finished the bonus features as well. Bonus features are hit or miss on digital (mostly miss as in they are not there), so that is another reason I won't support EST.