Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[alchav21]

Talking about Netflix, there is a good Movie coming around 9/12/2021. Red Notice with Dwayne Johnson, Gal Gadot, and Ryan Reynolds. Check out the Trailer below.....Isn't Streaming Fantastic?

RED NOTICE Trailer (2021) - YouTube

[Lee A Stewart]

Churn Imposes Hefty Costs on Steamers

https://www.tvtechnology.com/news/ch...ts-on-steamers

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

The Crown was chosen for a specific reason.

It was a royal f*** up?

[Lee A Stewart]

Noted Film Historian George Feltenstein Rehired at Warner Bros. Entertainment

Industry veteran George Feltenstein has been rehired at Warner Bros. Entertainment as “WarnerMedia Library Historian,” effective August 2021, according to his LinkedIn profile.

His return comes nine months after WarnerMedia announced the elimination of his position, SVP of theatrical catalog marketing, in the second of two rounds of layoffs that rocked the company in 2020. The job cuts were announced in November 2020, but Feltenstein remained on the job until Feb. 19, 2021.

A Warner spokesman said Feltenstein’s “role is still being defined.”

Feltenstein’s return was first reported by the Home Theater Forum.

“Indeed, I have returned to the company, for which I am very grateful,” Feltenstein told Media Play News in an email.

Feltenstein came to Warner in January 1997 after seven years of effectively running MGM/UA Home Video, during which time he released a significant number of classic MGM and United Artists films on videocassette and laserdisc.

At Warner Bros., David Krause wrote on the DigitallyObsessed.com website, Feltenstein held “the keys to a kingdom of Golden Age treasures, a massive, enviable catalog that encompasses the collections of Warner Bros., MGM and RKO studios.”

Feltenstein was the primary driver behind the studio giving classics such as The Wizard of Oz, Casablanca, Singing in the Rain and Gone With the Wind the royal treatment for their DVD and then Blu-ray Disc debuts.

Other Warner veterans who lost their jobs in November 2020 include Melissa Hufjay, Rosemary Markson and Jay Reinbold.

https://www.mediaplaynews.com/noted-...entertainment/

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by avs commenter

Why are you not getting UHD from Disney+? Check your profiles to make sure you have highest quality selected.

Always do and have done. The Disney+ app is not = to Disney MA app. On the Nvidia Shield Pro content with Atmos sound will not play with Atmos from Disney+ but the same content (Star Wars) will play with Atmos via Disney MA.

I suspect it is releated to the EDID because my projector is a true 4K device (4096 x 2160) but only 8 bits. Apple Display HUD displays this while playing UHD content from Disney+ but only outputs 1920 x 1080 and it does play with Atmos sound. Star Wars on the ATV via Disney MA does play in UHD with Atmos.

Star Wars on the ATV via Vudu does play in UHD but with PCM sound, on the Shield it plays in UHD with Atmos sound.

My Star Wars UHD BD always play in UHD with Atmos and at the correct frame rate.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I did watch scenes from The Crown, like the Motor Boat splashing around the water. No problem they looked great, no Degradation or Pixilation. My Internet Speed is constant Up and Down. Just like a Hardwired Disc Player!

I just wanted to see if you could spot the effect of dropped frames. The Crown was done with integer frame rate (24? or 25? FPS). You and most viewers do not see the effects from dropped frames but some of us do. After many years Apple finally added match frame rate to the Apple TV and it appears Google may do the same soon.

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

For those with Android TV's and/or STB (Sony TV's, Nvidia, etc.) there may be a new feature finally added: Refresh Rate Switching (here). If you you watch integer frame rate content and bothered by dropped frames this may provide relief. If you watch integer frame rate content and do not notice dropped frames then just ignore this post.

[cheez avenger]

Saw Shang Chi in Dolby Cinema today and it was pretty cool. Just a couple of minor quirks that I didn't care for but good stuff.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

I just wanted to see if you could spot the effect of dropped frames. The Crown was done with integer frame rate (24? or 25? FPS). You and most viewers do not see the effects from dropped frames but some of us do. After many years Apple finally added match frame rate to the Apple TV and it appears Google may do the same soon.

Do you think I would have noticed had I watched on projector? Or is it a thing you see once you are ‘tuned in’ to it?

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Do you think I would have noticed had I watched on projector? Or is it a thing you see once you are ‘tuned in’ to it?

Depends on hardware and settings. On the Sony UHD BD players I have match frame rate On for disc and streaming. The ATV and Shield* have match frame rate On. The Sony projector has like 94 sync and resolution combinations that it can do.

I have pointed out video aberrations with a pointer to viewers and most just never see what I am trying to get them to see.

If you have a IPTV source device that you can set to 23.976 frame rate or turn Off match frame if it has that feature then go to Netflix and search Test Patterns, Season 1. Play Episode 1 (23.976 fps) and watch the motion of the black dot, it should be smooth. Next play Episode 2 (24 fps) and tell me what you see. Do the same for Episode 3 (25 fps).

As always, be careful what you learn, once learned......

*The Shield requires Refresh Rate app to match frame rate, will show 25 when you start to play 25 fps content but you have to manually select 25.

[Wendell R. Breland]

@gotmule

Do you plan to do a Auro-3D recommended speaker setup to use with your new AVP? I would like to hear Blade Runner 2049 in Auro-3D. Have started to search for BD with Auro-3D sound tracks to procure in case I get a new AVP with Auro. A list here.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You guys really love your Wireless and think it's the same as Wired Ethernet. It's not so much about speed, but Solid, Stable Streaming. Didn't you guys watch that Video, Vincent said Wireless is very dependent on good signal strength, distance, and interference even then you get intermittent drops in signal. I've had Hardwired Ethernet since I bought my Sony UHD TV in 2017, and the Quality of my Streaming is Excellent with no problems like you guys complain about all the time!

1) it is not about liking wireless or not. Some of my devices are wired some are not.

nearly 20 years ago I ran cable to places that needed it, like my office, HT..... but these days Wifi is extremely good and there is no need to run cables to other places where ethernet was not needed back when my walls were open and I could easily do it. It would be wasting insane amounts of money to make holes in my walls pull cable when it adds nothing


2) did you actualy see the video?
a) did you miss where he said his point was not about Netflix or other streaming prioviders but for people that have NAS and intranet streaming?
b) where he said the ethernet port included in the TVs he reviews is crap and so he adds a USB to ethernet connector so that the TV can match the wireless connection?

3) yes he did talk about possible issues with wireless (which are real) but just because he was trying to sell his usb to Ethernet adapter solution (that won't necessarily work with all TVs) that does not mean that Ethernet does not have its own issues. As someone that started off his career in networking
a) cables can be badly terminated creating noise
b) rodents love nibbling on ethernet cables
c) kinks in the cable can create noise
d) distance also affects Ethernet
e) (not that I do that- and I recommend having a quality router to everyone and segregate networks with firewalls) but my ISPs device has wi-fi built in and one ethernet port so minimally I would not need anything else. But with ethernet that would mean necessarily adding a router and hubs. And the more devices you have the more the cost and the possibility of problems and wired requires more devices.
….

4) we have been over this many times but

a) play back issues happen when information does not get to the device in time or maybe ever. They can happen with any media (for example a smudge on a disk). And when it comes to streaming it can be wifi issues but it is way more likely to come from the ISP and internet. But no one is talking or cares about that since people can do something about that (replace router add more points closer to device....)

b) quality issues is what is being discussed by everyone other then you. a 1080p picture has over 2M pixels per frame and 4k has over 8M each pixel can have millions of colour(and takes several bytes of space) and each second hase many frames. that is why HDMI has a Bandwith of 48Gbps. Obviously files large enough for a movie would be colossal and no home media comes close to offering it. Luckily that is not important two frames might be 100% the same so why would you need to send the info twice? so uit is easy to go with a small fraction of that BW and not have any quality issues. BUT be it disk or streaming none of them come close to high enough for lossless compression and then you have quality issues and because streaming does not have BW close to physical media the quality issues are simply much grater.

5) my final 2 cents given the option over wireless or wired I will always pick wired, if nothing else it frees up wireless BW for devices that can't handle wired, but, for the most part, I would not spend money on wiring an unwired place, it can be a lot cheaper and easier to get rid of any wireless issues one might have and when it comes to NAS they can be an issue but when it comes to streaming over the internet they are most likely not problematic.

[gotmule]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

@gotmule

Do you plan to do a Auro-3D recommended speaker setup to use with your new AVP? I would like to hear Blade Runner 2049 in Auro-3D. Have started to search for BD with Auro-3D sound tracks to procure in case I get a new AVP with Auro. A list here.

I have had an Auro configuration along with an Atmos configuration for some time and have switched back and forth depending on the content. I will use the same approach with the Lyngdorf as well and have different profiles for each setup using their Room Perfect calibration which by all reviews beats anything else out there right now. Each profile will be loaded on a new MacBook Air. It takes about 90 seconds to load in the appropriate profile to flip my room to be something different. I will also have a 2 channel profile for listening to vinyl.

I use Auro primarily as an upmixer but do have the Auro demo disc which sounds awesome. I have kicked around grabbing some native content. Once again, you may be costing me some money with this nudge.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by gotmule

Once again, you may be costing me some money with this nudge.

. I am waiting for Kris Deering's review of the new JVC DLA-RS4100 D-ILA projector, it cost some serious dough. Started looking into new AVP's that includes Auro-3D.

[gotmule]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

. I am waiting for Kris Deering's review of the new JVC DLA-RS4100 D-ILA projector, it cost some serious dough. Started looking into new AVP's that includes Auro-3D.

That is a serious projector!

[unberechenbar]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

As always, be careful what you learn, once learned......

What do you mean by that? Is it like doing a gray uniformity test on a TV to see non-uniformities in the panel that you can't unsee once you notice them for the first time?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by unberechenbar

What do you mean by that? Is it like doing a gray uniformity test on a TV to see non-uniformities in the panel that you can't unsee once you notice them for the first time?

Yeah, basically once you notice something you look out for it.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Depends on hardware and settings. On the Sony UHD BD players I have match frame rate On for disc and streaming. The ATV and Shield* have match frame rate On. The Sony projector has like 94 sync and resolution combinations that it can do.

I have pointed out video aberrations with a pointer to viewers and most just never see what I am trying to get them to see.

If you have a IPTV source device that you can set to 23.976 frame rate or turn Off match frame if it has that feature then go to Netflix and search Test Patterns, Season 1. Play Episode 1 (23.976 fps) and watch the motion of the black dot, it should be smooth. Next play Episode 2 (24 fps) and tell me what you see. Do the same for Episode 3 (25 fps).

As always, be careful what you learn, once learned......

*The Shield requires Refresh Rate app to match frame rate, will show 25 when you start to play 25 fps content but you have to manually select 25.

Cheers for that.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Yeah, basically once you notice something you look out for it.

it is not that you look out for it. It just becomes impossible to not notice it because your brain does not trash that info any more.

[Steedeel]

Still no message from Vilya, starting to fear the worst now. Even when he was weak, he managed a few lines.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Still no message from Vilya, starting to fear the worst now. Even when he was weak, he managed a few lines.

has me worried as well. Hope he is doing relatively OK.