Disney+'s - Loki (Season 2)

[SilverFox84]

Originally Posted by LeftHandedGuitarist

Absolutely fantastic start, I'm all in. I particularly loved the look of the show with the 1970s scifi aesthetic. Tom Hiddleston is superb and continues to add so much to the character.

At the moment I'm getting a very strong Legion vibe in the tone and style. I hope it's just as bat-shit-crazy as Legion as it's hella entertaining.

It was a decent low-key start to the show to set some ground rules and introduce the premise. But I've seem the promo and I hope it gets as crazy as that promo is implying

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by mwynn

If someone posts how they do not like something 10+ that is against the forum rules.

Unenforced. If Blu-Ray.com ever held to that, the Star Wars Prequel/Sequel/Standalone threads would be a ghost town.

[Sozo]

Originally Posted by veritas

I'm saying it goes one step further to the point where thanos is up their with red skull trying to get the soul stone and decides he cant kill gamora and decides to give up on his mass xenocide plans then the time police would show up charge him with a crime erase him and put him back to wipe out half off all life.

If he had given up on that idea, then that would have been what was suppose to happen so they wouldn't have interfered.

[SilverFox84]

Originally Posted by isolar801

In case some of you don't know this...or care.... This is a public forum to discuss shows, movies, etc.
Some of you are just fine with that as long as the opinion is "we/I love this, and it can do no wrong"
Sad to say...not everyone feels the same.
You can call a differing opinion whatever you like....Im just calling out this travesty of an idea for a show for what it is...a huge mistake.

As much it pains me, I have to agree I've seen a disturbing trend recently, especially in the movie forum, that when a subjectively terrible AAA movie gets released like GB2016 or WW1984 there'd be one or two who think it's some kind 10/10 masterpiece and it's perfect, then spam the thread challenging every single tiny post that doesn't agree with it's 10/10 assessment to an obsessive degree. IMO it's just as trolling as someone who comes into the a thread and continually spams how horrible the movie is
.

[mwynn]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

I've yet to see Umbrella Academy, but the Terry Gilliam's "Brazil" comparison is still spot on -- they even had a guy that wanted Loki to sign the receipts of everything he had ever said.

Granted, the average MCU has no idea who Terry Gilliam or what "Brazil" is.

Why would a series of movies need to know about a movie?

[mwynn]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Unenforced. If Blu-Ray.com ever held to that, the Star Wars Prequel/Sequel/Standalone threads would be a ghost town.

Not really as stated. The rule is do not go into a thread just to say something sucks. If there is conversation around it fine. Tbat is interaction. I am not seeing interaction. I am seeing someone trying to purposley post to start an argument.

[JayTL]

Originally Posted by SilverFox84

As much it pains me, I have to agree I've seen a disturbing trend recently, especially in the movie forum, that when a subjectively terrible AAA movie gets released like GB2016 or WW1984 there'd be one or two who think it's some kind 10/10 masterpiece and it's perfect, then spam the thread challenging every single tiny post that doesn't agree with it's 10/10 assessment to an obsessive degree. IMO it's just as trolling as someone who comes into the a thread and continually spams how horrible the movie is
.

This site is full of children who do not like people with different opinions. To the point those children brigade threads, derail the threads and bring nothing to the table.

I would love to have discussions and debates. But it feels lately I've been just putting people on blast and on Ignore lists. Like the user who keeps popping his diaper because Loki murdered time travel because it's not the umbrella academy (which isn't great at time travel for what it's worth). Ironically that user didn't post once in the thread about that show. I have.

There's a difference between having a difference of opinion, and trolling threads because of said difference.

I even gave that user multiple chances to expand on opinions, but it just caused more diarrhea to happen and hit his keyboard. Ignore and move on.

Once I'm done with In The Heights, I'm gonna have differing opinions. And I cannot wait to have that discussion. We'll see if I get called a troll or a brigadier...because I can not like something and discuss it like a human.

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by SilverFox84

when a subjectively terrible AAA movie gets released like [...]

Honestly, compared to the average movie from the Golden Age of Hollywood (or even most major movies being made in other countries today), almost everything the studios make is arguably a horrible movie.

That doesn't mean they can't be fun in a dumb sort of way, just as some people can have a fun time watching some awful television program.

But the movies you mention as example don't seem particularly awful as far as what tends to come out of Hollywood these days... rather it seems that certain movies get a lot more criticisms just because some people don't like the actors who were cast - purely and simply.

Like I said, one could argue that 95+% of movies coming out of Hollywood these days are garbage and they don't merit a lot of close, detailed analysis. But they can still be fun, especially if you happen to like the IP, the characters, or even the talent involved. It's bad that Hollywood has given up trying to make better movies, sure, but they don't care at all so long as the garbage they release to theaters makes a nice profit.

[cheez avenger]

Originally Posted by mwynn

Why would a series of movies need to know about a movie?

Average MCU fan, but you knew what I was trying to say.

[isolar801]

Originally Posted by BluBonnet

Honestly, compared to the average movie from the Golden Age of Hollywood (or even most major movies being made in other countries today), almost everything the studios make is arguably a horrible movie.

That doesn't mean they can't be fun in a dumb sort of way, just as some people can have a fun time watching some awful television program.

But the movies you mention as example don't seem particularly awful as far as what tends to come out of Hollywood these days... rather it seems that certain movies get a lot more criticisms just because some people don't like the actors who were cast - purely and simply.

Like I said, one could argue that 95+% of movies coming out of Hollywood these days are garbage and they don't merit a lot of close, detailed analysis. But they can still be fun, especially if you happen to like the IP, the characters, or even the talent involved. It's bad that Hollywood has given up trying to make better movies, sure, but they don't care at all so long as the garbage they release to theaters makes a nice profit.

Its all about the money in just about any medium today. Movie studios need to fill seats...streaming services need to entice and keep subscribers. Product is churned out based on cost vs profits.
Sometimes there is a pleasant surprise...The Mandalorian was the best Star Wars since Empire...
Sometimes we get nothing but Army Of The Dead...
Myself....Im waiting for Dune.
Check out my shirt from when i was around 20....001.jpg

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by isolar801

Its all about the money in just about any medium today. Movie studios need to fill seats...

I'm not entirely unaware about the nature of capitalism.

And that may be true of the US, but in many other countries the government sets up state funding organisations that help to finance domestic film production. The idea is that cultural offerings are a good investment and deserve some state funding.

[mwynn]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

Average MCU fan, but you knew what I was trying to say.

Ok. Why does the average mcu fan need to know about brazil? Should the average snyder fan know about all the movies referenced in Army of the Dead?

[isolar801]

Originally Posted by BluBonnet

I'm not entirely unaware about the nature of capitalism.

And that may be true of the US, but in many other countries the government sets up state funding organisations that help to finance domestic film production. The idea is that cultural offerings are a good investment and deserve some state funding.

You know it.....Sweden sounds like a great place to me.
I drive a classic Saab so something right goes on over there.
Anything having to do with the arts here is every man for himself.

[JJLong]

Originally Posted by JayTL

To each their own. I feel these shows feel unique and I enjoy that. Also disagree about Loki and his Frigga, but I never saw her as an important character either.

To your second point, we're not going to see Academy award winning performances because...well we don't need to. Bruce Willis isn't going to win for Die Hard, Arnold for Terminator, RDJ for Stark. It's not like he's asked to show his depth more than an ******* in Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, or Sherlock Holmes. Why should the standards be different in the MCU? Same goes for all the other amazing actors in the MCU.

Let's not get into the "one voice" argument of the MCU. There's a boss, and he let's the directors have their own take and vision. He just needs to make sure they're on the same path. How they get to the destination is something he doesn't need to control.

I don't see the problem in wanting more out of popular entertainment.

I'm not asking the MCU to be art house indie movies. A movie like The Godfather is actually mainstream pop culture entertainment. You can have mainstream pop culture movies that also have incredible acting, direction, writing, etc...

Spielberg pretty much made his career on those types of movies and established the idea of the modern blockbuster and, if we are using the Academy Awards as some sort of measurement, those are Oscar nominated and winning movies.

To me, the best comic book movies of all time are The Dark Knight, Logan, and Spider-man: Into the Spider-verse.

Those movies try for more and that is what I would like to see from the MCU.

Disney is supposed to be the masters of animation and comic book movies in the United States and yet, Sony is responsible for Spider-man: Into the Spider-verse. Produced by the guys who got kicked off a Star Wars movies under the Disney banner for trying give the movie their voice.

You didn't bring up DC, but someone else in the conversation did and DC has two acting wins for The Dark Knight and Joker.

The response to that might be that they were playing The Joker, which is a character that naturally lends itself to a performance worthy of recognition.

Bringing this back around to the topic at hand, I think Hiddleston was held back by the material he was given. I think one of the reasons why the original Avengers movie worked as well as it did at the time was because it had a strong villain in Hiddleston.

And I think, given the chance, Hiddleston could have done even more with the role at that time with better material.

[mwynn]

At the end of the day multiple people will have three different favorite movies. Our opinions are our own. Some would also say that two of those three movies exist on the backs of other movies.

Some could say that Daredevil, Elektra, and Fantastic Four are the best comic book movies. All from Fox. One could say Fox was the master of Drama.

What have we learned and gained from these posts?

That people should enjoy what they enjoy, and no one should try to change their minds.

[neoz]

I enjoyed the first episode. Can't wait to see how the season ends.

[JJLong]

I'm not inundated online with how great Fox was or their comic book movies were so great.

I have a long commute to work and I listen to a lot of podcasts. When I start listening to a podcast about Mare of Easttown and through the HBO/WB connection works its way into a DC vs MCU, and how great the MCU is discussion.

I tried to watch a youtube video discussing the James Bond franchise. Immediately comparisons are made in terms of rotten tomatoes score consistency with the MCU.

It is like it is unavoidable.

There is such a gravity to the MCU at this point, it almost feels like one needs to watch everything in the MCU in order to participate in the discussion about pop culture.

I was really put off by the end of Wandavision. I was actually really starting to get invested in the show, but I felt like it fell off a cliff during the last 3 episodes. I had no interest in Falcon and Winter Soldier at that point. But after the break decided to give Loki a try and in the first episode is feels like the same old MCU thing with a light coat of paint that reminds me of something like Legion.

I didn't start this discussion looking to change the minds of others, it started as a conversation regarding some of the criticisms I had of the first episode.

[mwynn]

Originally Posted by JJLong

I'm not inundated online with how great Fox was or their comic book movies were so great.

I have a long commute to work and I listen to a lot of podcasts. When I start listening to a podcast about Mare of Easttown and through the HBO/WB connection works its way into a DC vs MCU, and how great the MCU is discussion.

I tried to watch a youtube video discussing the James Bond franchise. Immediately comparisons are made in terms of rotten tomatoes score consistency with the MCU.

It is like it is unavoidable.

There is such a gravity to the MCU at this point, it almost feels like one needs to watch everything in the MCU in order to participate in the discussion about pop culture.

I was really put off by the end of Wandavision. I was actually really starting to get invested in the show, but I felt like it fell off a cliff during the last 3 episodes. I had no interest in Falcon and Winter Soldier at that point. But after the break decided to give Loki a try and in the first episode is feels like the same old MCU thing with a light coat of paint that reminds me of something like Legion.

I didn't start this discussion looking to change the minds of others, it started as a conversation regarding some of the criticisms I had of the first episode.

Sounds like it is not for you and should be avoided at all cost if it is affecting you so much. Good luck avoiding it.

[cheez avenger]

Originally Posted by mwynn

Ok. Why does the average mcu fan need to know about brazil? Should the average snyder fan know about all the movies referenced in Army of the Dead?

You really want to go down this route? I knew you could not respond without referencing ZS. The hate is strong in you.

[mwynn]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

You really want to go down this route? I knew you could not respond without referencing ZS. The hate is strong in you.

Did you really? Sure lets go down the rabbit hole. I have like 20 minutes.

How far should someone dig into other movies referenced in movies. Does one need to see Jaws to watch Deep Blue Sea?