Official Denon Owners Thread

[robmlisanti]

My wife and I were out on Saturday at Best Buy, and I was going to buy a receiver for myself this year, it was in between the Denon line or Onkyo line I heard alot of good thing about Denon over the yrs and read great reviews for the AVR-1611 on the web. To make a long story short it became my Xmas gift this year! I set it up yesterday and man wow! what an upgrade from my Sony 100 watt receiver! this receiver kicks ass!

Thanks to my wonderful wife!

Rob

P.S Take a look at my "Updated" Home Theater Gallery!

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by robmlisanti

My wife and I were out on Saturday at Best Buy, and I was going to buy a receiver for myself this year, it was in between the Denon line or Onkyo line I heard alot of good thing about Denon over the yrs and read great reviews for the AVR-1611 on the web. To make a long story short it became my Xmas gift this year! I set it up yesterday and man wow! what an upgrade from my Sony 100 watt receiver! this receiver kicks ass!

Thanks to my wonderful wife!

Rob

P.S Take a look at my "Updated" Home Theater Gallery!

Hi Rob,

I did look at your Galleria, and I left a note there.
=> I said to tilt downward your Center speaker by putting two small rubber pieces under it at the rear (you'll have to experiment about the right size of those rubber feet). ...My rough estimate (from your first picture) is you'd need about one inch high rubber feets under its back.
* If you have a laser pointer, you can put it inside its port for the right amount of tilt.
If not, use your eyes and look at that port until it forms a perfect circle and from the front face of your speaker, and from also its inside depth. Use a flashlight to see better.
Another trick is to stick a small mirror on its front face, and look at it till it is perfectly in line with your eyes' reflection. And again, a small flashlight with a narrow beam and at eyes level would help.

Other than that, everything else looks just great!

Congratulations on your new Denon AVR-1611 receiver!

* And don't forget to thank your wife with an appropriate kiss...

Cheers,
Bob

[mj3k]

Nice to see & read about all of your new endeavor's with Denon Rec.'s and congrat's to all that bought Denon... on!!....

[chingon510]

Originally Posted by robmlisanti

My wife and I were out on Saturday at Best Buy, and I was going to buy a receiver for myself this year, it was in between the Denon line or Onkyo line I heard alot of good thing about Denon over the yrs and read great reviews for the AVR-1611 on the web. To make a long story short it became my Xmas gift this year! I set it up yesterday and man wow! what an upgrade from my Sony 100 watt receiver! this receiver kicks ass!

Thanks to my wonderful wife!

Rob

P.S Take a look at my "Updated" Home Theater Gallery!

Congrats on ur new Denon toy! You will love it!

[K-Fed2]

Hey everyone I have just gotten 2 more energy surround speaker making my system complete at 7.1. My receiver is the Denon AVR-989 as the heart and soul of the home theatre system. When I was experimenting with the sound processing modes the other day I saw on the display of my Denon that it showed (with an HD cable broadcast) DDigital + PLIIx. As my rear surrounds came to life on this setting here is my question. Are the 5.1 portion of the system playing the discrete DD material and the rear surrounds playing matrixed material from the L/R surrounds? As well there is also a choice between PLIIXm (music) and PLIIxc (Cinema) which I didnt hear a great difference between.

any thoughts anyone?

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by K-Fed2

Hey everyone I have just gotten 2 more energy surround speaker making my system complete at 7.1. My receiver is the Denon AVR-989 as the heart and soul of the home theatre system. When I was experimenting with the sound processing modes the other day I saw on the display of my Denon that it showed (with an HD cable broadcast) DDigital + PLIIx. As my rear surrounds came to life on this setting here is my question. Are the 5.1 portion of the system playing the discrete DD material and the rear surrounds playing matrixed material from the L/R surrounds? As well there is also a choice between PLIIXm (music) and PLIIxc (Cinema) which I didnt hear a great difference between.

any thoughts anyone?

Yes, the five regular channels from the DD audio soundtrack are discrete,
and the two Back surround channels are matrixed.

You want to use the DPL IIx Cinema mode with movies. (Also called DPL IIx Movie mode.)
The DPL IIx Music* mode is for music listening.

* Also you have some additional parameters that you can adjust with Dolby Pro Logic IIx Music mode; like Panorama, Dimension and Center Width.
- And with Neo:6 Music, you can adjust the Center Image.
-> Check in your manual for those, so you can find out where they are in your Audio Menu Setup.

You're doing great; the Dolby Pro Logic IIx Cinema mode is the perfect audio mode for all type of multichannel audio movie soundtracks.

[K-Fed2]

thanks LOTR for the quick reply.

I had suspected the dd/PLIIx combined output would be as you descibed.

A couple of other questions for you.

1. Not to familiar with what Dolby DIgital EX does. I hear sound from the rear channels but I would assume it's a matixed mix of some sort as well.

2. What is the general consensus for watching movies with 5.1 encoded audio... with PLIIX on or off to make it 7.1? what do you prefer.

[Sammy]

Originally Posted by K-Fed2

thanks LOTR for the quick reply.

I had suspected the dd/PLIIx combined output would be as you descibed.

A couple of other questions for you.

1. Not to familiar with what Dolby DIgital EX does. I hear sound from the rear channels but I would assume it's a matixed mix of some sort as well.

2. What is the general consensus for watching movies with 5.1 encoded audio... with PLIIX on or off to make it 7.1? what do you prefer.

DD ProLogic IIx basically sends the surround signals to both the surround speakers and the rear speakers, not much else is going on because there's really nowhere in the sound track to get information as to how to matrix the sound to the extra speakers.

I use it just to get the extra amp and speakers engaged for more sound in the room while watching a movie (or TV for that matter).

[picture_shooter]

Originally Posted by robmlisanti

My wife and I were out on Saturday at Best Buy, and I was going to buy a receiver for myself this year, it was in between the Denon line or Onkyo line I heard alot of good thing about Denon over the yrs and read great reviews for the AVR-1611 on the web. To make a long story short it became my Xmas gift this year! I set it up yesterday and man wow! what an upgrade from my Sony 100 watt receiver! this receiver kicks ass!

Thanks to my wonderful wife!

Rob

P.S Take a look at my "Updated" Home Theater Gallery!

Congrats!! it's indeed a wonderful receiver

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by K-Fed2

thanks LOTR for the quick reply.

I had suspected the dd/PLIIx combined output would be as you descibed.

A couple of other questions for you.

1. Not to familiar with what Dolby DIgital EX does. I hear sound from the rear channels but I would assume it's a matixed mix of some sort as well.

2. What is the general consensus for watching movies with 5.1 encoded audio... with PLIIX on or off to make it 7.1? what do you prefer.

Ok, first though, it is a bit confusing from one manufacturer to another one on Dolby Pro Logic IIx; as in my Onkyo manual it says "This mode expands any 2-channel source for 7.1-channel playback".
But then it does not mention that you can also apply it over a discrete 5.1-channel audio soundtrack, to create those two back surround channels. Anyway you know what I mean. I'm not even sure if the info in those is mono matrixed or stereo matrixed.
That's how confusing most of the manuals are!
{But the Back surrounds are matrixed Stereo.}

As for Dolby Digital EX, it's for expanding 5.1-channel sources for 6.1/7.1-channel playback. It is especially suited to DD EX soundtracks that includes a matrix-encoded surround back channel. It is a mono signal though that goes into those two back surround channels. And usually your receiver or pre/pro automatically decode that matrixed audio info from the disc. But only if you set your unit to do so.
{So the Back surrounds are matrixed Mono.}

I believe there is a very confusing or bad communication from the audio pro mixers to the audio manufacturers in many cases. And that is only one of the reasons we have so many audio forums now!
Also many products become obsolete in less than a year because they cannot read the latest audio flags from the dics!
I can give you many examples of products that are quite relatively new but obsolete as well!
And other products with very poor audio implementation; and for various reasons that are detrimental for the average consumer, like for quick financial business gain, and also with many products not able to be updated.
And the ones that do are full of bugs to start off with!
Audio is getting worse every year because of the too fast technologies and manufacturers competing for the market share between each other. You just can't afford to wait 15 months to make a good product!
And it will get worse before it gets better now with all the computer features in your receiver. Soon you'll have an anti-virus software you'd run unto your receiver software programming!
And then charges into your credit card, then breach of privacy right in your receiver! Maybe you think I'm exaggerating but look at all the bugs there are already!
Today if you don't know how to use a computer a receiver is a big headache!
And it supposed to simplify your life same as HDMI!

Look at me, I don't even remember how many more matrixed channels you can derived from a normal discrete 5.1-channel audio soundtrack!
Like the back surround channels for instance, mono or stereo, and from what kind of encoding to start off with?
And furthermore, now they say that those channels aren't good anymore!
And that's what they've been selling us for the last 10 years or so!
Now you have to switch those back surround speakers to the fronts wider and also higher!
You'll see this is only the beginning until five or ten years from now they will switch back those again for the rears! Or maybe straight above your head!

There are people experimenting with several hundreds of speakers in a 360 degree soundfield (IOSONOS, and other projects like that...).

And Dolby and DTS eventually will fade away to leave the room to the new audio players on the field. And all we'll remember 50 years from now is how confusing they were at confusing us in trying to implement their audio doctrines on us!
And all in the interest of competing with each other for a bigger piece of the money pie!
No?

It is so deep now that we need them to disentangle us from their own entanglements!

Sorry If I got carry away a little bit but this is the way I feel sometimes, and today, the last day of 2010, I do feel that way.

I just wish the world would be a simpler place to live and that human common sense would have a higher value. We are now outrunned by electronic gadgets on all assault fronts. We just don't know no more how to luv one another! But give me a bigger screen and more speakers, plus the best Blu-rays and I will love you for sure!
No?

Maybe not, but it's getting pretty close though!

Happy New Year!

Bob

P.S. Sorry for the multitude of typos.

[deathdealer21]

new to forums just bought avr 391 first denon and i love it

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by deathdealer21

new to forums just bought avr 391 first denon and i love it

Smashing man!

[rick88]

Originally Posted by deathdealer21

new to forums just bought avr 391 first denon and i love it

Congrats and welcome to the forum! I am loving my Denon 3310 as well. Audyssey works wonders for my speakers in my room...

[K-Fed2]

Wow! LOTR when you get going you really give it your all! Much appreicieated. I totally get where your coming from on this.

I was somewhat hesitant about even getting two more surrounds to complete the 7.1 package. Looking at whats on the horizon with front height channels and or 9.1, 10.1 or .2 and what the heck I even heard of a 22.2 setup at a consumer electronics show. At what point does it stay at a standard for all of us to play catch up and buy equipment to benefit from what that standard is? Most likely never as mfr's are driven to outperform/out feature the competition. Well.for now untill 7.1 is in the rear view mirror, it will have to do for me. I'm seeing a fairly lengthly list of discrete 7.1 titles coming out now and even old classics redone in HD and in discrete 7.1 DTS-MA as in "The Sound of Music" which looks amazing and sounds unbelievable.

Cheers!
Kevin

[K-Fed2]

Originally Posted by Sammy

DD ProLogic IIx basically sends the surround signals to both the surround speakers and the rear speakers, not much else is going on because there's really nowhere in the sound track to get information as to how to matrix the sound to the extra speakers.

I use it just to get the extra amp and speakers engaged for more sound in the room while watching a movie (or TV for that matter).

After some crititcal listening, I discovered this as well. Thanks for the input btw!

[BIslander]

Originally Posted by Sammy

DD ProLogic IIx basically sends the surround signals to both the surround speakers and the rear speakers, not much else is going on because there's really nowhere in the sound track to get information as to how to matrix the sound to the extra speakers.

I use it just to get the extra amp and speakers engaged for more sound in the room while watching a movie (or TV for that matter).

PLIIx does considerably morte than duplicate the surrounds to the rears. It examines the content of the surrounds and intelligently extracts audio that would phantom image behind the listening position in a 5.1 configuration. PLIIx also produces stereo rear channels, unlike most other DSPs which only do a mono rear that gets sent to both rear speakers in a 7.1 layout.

[K-Fed2]

Originally Posted by BIslander

PLIIx does considerably morte than duplicate the surrounds to the rears. It examines the content of the surrounds and intelligently extracts audio that would phantom image behind the listening position in a 5.1 configuration. PLIIx also produces stereo rear channels, unlike most other DSPs which only do a mono rear that gets sent to both rear speakers in a 7.1 layout.

with at 5.1 source, what would Dolby Digital EX do with the signal? is it mono surround into both rear channels? extracted from 1st surround channels? or duplicated (combined l/r) from 1st surround channels

[BIslander]

Originally Posted by K-Fed2

with at 5.1 source, what would Dolby Digital EX do with the signal? is it mono surround into both rear channels? extracted from 1st surround channels? or duplicated (combined l/r) from 1st surround channels

DD-EX does a mono surround fed to both rear channels in a 7.1 system.

btw, using two rear speakers with 6.1 content is the recommended configuration. The human brain has a hard time processing audio that originates from directly behind.

[centauro74]

LordOTR, can you tell me if I need a splitter to connect a second sub woofer on my denon or I can use my other pre-out.

[BP8guy]

Whached the T2 in 6.1 DTS but my denon won't decode it as 6.1 but instead decodes it as 5.1. Just wondered if it is a receiver problem decoding it or was it an error from the bluray disc. Running panny 85 with new updates. I have a 6.1 HT set up. My receiver will show DTS surround instead of DTS master HD. Any input to this guys?