Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Texan26]

Originally Posted by PenguinMaster

Whenever a combo gets split up it means there is one person who only cares about digital and one person who only cares about physical. Why do the digital supporters keep ignoring half of that?

But you were also ignoring it, when you started spitting out sales numbers.

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by Texan26

But you were also ignoring it, when you started spitting out sales numbers.

I used the sales numbers to show that digital purchases aren't overtaking physical purchases.

Combos were obviously made in the first place with the intent of getting people hooked on digital and causing them to switch over to just buying digital by itself. That's what the studios would prefer but it hasn't happened. The fact that combos are selling so well clearly shows that millions of people still want discs.

[Texan26]

Originally Posted by PenguinMaster

The fact that combos are selling so well clearly shows that millions of people still want discs.

See, you're doing it again. You're only mentioning the disc portion of the combo sale. It clearly means that people want both disc and Digital HD. You're ignoring half of it also.

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by Texan26

See, you're doing it again. You're only mentioning the disc portion of the combo sale. It clearly means that people want both disc and Digital HD. You're ignoring half of it also.

Do people want digital? Yes. Do people also want discs? Yes. For discs to continue to be made all that matters is that discs continue to sell. Whether they are selling by themselves or as combos is irrelevant. Discs won't stop being made unless digital sells great by itself and that isn't happening.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Texan26

Not necessarily, some people only buy a title because it's at a good price. I usually only get about 50% of what I paid for on eBay. People won't buy it at full retail price. So they may just not buy it at all.

Originally Posted by randian

What are blu-rays going for (price + shipping) on eBay? I have a bunch of blu-rays I need to get rid of but I'm not sure if it's worthwhile. I have some DVDs too but I presume those have zero value.

Texan I think you hit the answer, people are not buying Disc anymore. I use to buy Combo Packs for the Digital Code, and then sell the Blu-ray but taking a 50% or less lost like you said doesn't make sense anymore. So I shop for the best price on Digital Codes. Even here on Blu-ray.com the Codes are going for more than Low Market. Independent Studios don't have Codes either, so that stops my buying too. So let's see if The Studios pick up on this, and start offering better Combo Packs.

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Texan I think you hit the answer, people are not buying Disc anymore. I use to buy Combo Packs for the Digital Code, and then sell the Blu-ray but taking a 50% or less lost like you said doesn't make sense anymore. So I shop for the best price on Digital Codes. Even here on Blu-ray.com the Codes are going for more than Low Market. Independent Studios don't have Codes either, so that stops my buying too. So let's see if The Studios pick up on this, and start offering better Combo Packs.

So you think discs aren't selling because you can't sell them for high amounts on eBay? eBay is a minuscule percentage of the market. Over a million discs are sold every week in the United States. Plenty of them are combos but that just means that people are buying both discs and digital. How can anyone possibly extrapolate that discs are failing because most titles are combos?

http://www.the-numbers.com/home-market/chart-index/2016

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Texan I think you hit the answer, people are not buying Disc anymore. I use to buy Combo Packs for the Digital Code, and then sell the Blu-ray but taking a 50% or less lost like you said doesn't make sense anymore. So I shop for the best price on Digital Codes. Even here on Blu-ray.com the Codes are going for more than Low Market. Independent Studios don't have Codes either, so that stops my buying too. So let's see if The Studios pick up on this, and start offering better Combo Packs.

People are not buying discs anymore? I suppose by your logic that means no one is buying Digital HD either. Talk sense man. If nobody is buying discs where is that money coming from? The fairies with their pixel dust?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by PenguinMaster

So you think discs aren't selling because you can't sell them for high amounts on eBay? eBay is a minuscule percentage of the market. Over a million discs are sold every week in the United States. Plenty of them are combos but that just means that people are buying both discs and digital. How can anyone possibly extrapolate that discs are failing because most titles are combos?

http://www.the-numbers.com/home-market/chart-index/2016

What he fails to acknowledge is that Digital HD is not selling anywhere near what the industry needs/wants. That in itself is a huge worry. It means one of two things.

Subscription services are the future (with disc collectors still doing their thing)

Or film is coming to a end as the younger generation switches to instragram, Snapchat and Twitter. Once generation Z comes around, we may no longer have film in our lives. You guys still want to celebrate the Internet and how great Digital is then? Nope? I thought not.

[WestMan]

Vinyl is dead.
Cinema is dead.
Physical Media is dead.
Elvis is dead.

Only 1 of these 4 statements is true. lol

[WestMan]

Disc sales were $5.4 Billion in 2016. Sure they are declining, but it is still a huge chunk of business.

Cinema did $11.3 Billion domestically. Just something to think about.

Discs are not going away for a long time.

[Texan26]

Generation Z is already programmed to buy everything digitally. They all carry around tablets where they download all their games/apps instantly and watch youtube videos instantly. That's also why a non physical media video game system twenty years from now is not far fetched. It sounds crazy for our generation to not buy physical media for games or movies but it will be an easy transition for today's kids.

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by Texan26

Generation Z is already programmed to buy everything digitally. They all carry around tablets where they download all their games/apps instantly and watch youtube videos instantly. That's also why a non physical media video game system twenty years from now is not far fetched. It sounds crazy for our generation to not buy physical media for games or movies but it will be an easy transition for today's kids.

The people who are buying games on their tablets are never spending more than $5 on each game. Therefore an all digital video game console with games for $30-$60 each wouldn't appeal to them, they'd just buy more games on their tablets instead.

[WestMan]

Originally Posted by Texan26

Generation Z is already programmed to buy everything digitally. They all carry around tablets where they download all their games/apps instantly and watch youtube videos instantly. That's also why a non physical media video game system twenty years from now is not far fetched. It sounds crazy for our generation to not buy physical media for games or movies but it will be an easy transition for today's kids.

I don't think your reasoning skills are bad.

However, explain vinyl sales then....

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Texan26

Generation Z is already programmed to buy everything digitally. They all carry around tablets where they download all their games/apps instantly and watch youtube videos instantly. That's also why a non physical media video game system twenty years from now is not far fetched. It sounds crazy for our generation to not buy physical media for games or movies but it will be an easy transition for today's kids.

No, what I am saying is Digital sales are poor
DVD and Bluray revenue is down (Bluray was up last year though so could change)

Given those two factors, can we presume film will be gone in 20 years? 30 years? If we are not seeing decent numbers either Subscription is the way forward or the kids simply don't care. If they don't care, that leaves us all ******! Maybe not now but certainly long term.

[Texan26]

Originally Posted by PenguinMaster

The people who are buying games on their tablets are never spending more than $5 on each game. Therefore an all digital video game console with games for $30-$60 each wouldn't appeal to them, they'd just buy more games on their tablets instead.

My point is that they are used to getting a game instantly. Of course, they don't spend more than $5 because they are just kids. When they grow up and have money to buy $60 games, they are going to want them instantly. I have a nephew that preorders all his Xbox ones games digitally so he can have the game the minute it comes out.

[Texan26]

Originally Posted by WestMan

I don't think your reasoning skills are bad.

However, explain vinyl sales then....

Collectors and 50 year olds that are trying to relive their youth. And what are the vinyl sale numbers? Not even significant.

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by Texan26

My point is that they are used to getting a game instantly. Of course, they don't spend more than $5 because they are just kids. When they grow up and have money to buy $60 games, they are going to want them instantly. I have a nephew that preorders all his Xbox ones games digitally so he can have the game the minute it comes out.

If they've been conditioned their whole life to buy games for $5 why would most of them ever think a game is worth $60?

Digital sells great when it's cheap: mobile games, subscriptions, micro-transactions, movie rentals, individual MP3s, etc.

But when paying more than $10 for a single movie or more than $20 for a single game most people still choose physical media.

[WestMan]

Originally Posted by Texan26

Collectors and 50 year olds that are trying to relive their youth.

That's just false....

http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2016...-buying-vinyl/

It's a cultural thing.

[Texan26]

Originally Posted by WestMan

That's just false....

http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2016...-buying-vinyl/

It's a cultural thing.

From your article: "Complicating matters is that 50% of people who are buying the records aren’t even listening to them. "

Like I said, collectors.

[flyry]

Originally Posted by WestMan

I don't think your reasoning skills are bad.

However, explain vinyl sales then....

Hipsters like the couple in While Were Young