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SpiderBaby · 08-15-2011, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by wilky61

If you think so, then clearly your opinion isn't worth my seeing any longer.

Oh no!

Go read the IMDB list or something. That list just shows the lack of watching anything pre-70's and foreign from the majority of people rating movies on that site. But I guess since millions of people voted, it means that list is right "The Dark Knight was one time, the best movie ever, until Inception came along!".

It's like the Facebook people I see that believes whatever Criterion has put out is it when it comes to great foreign films. It's the limit you put yourself to. Millions of Americans only watches the stuff that comes to the local cinema, and you expect me to believe what they rate is the truth of what I should like?

Rodyon Raskolnikov · 08-15-2011, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by SpiderBaby

It's like the Facebook people I see that believes whatever Criterion has put out is it when it comes to great foreign films.

What?

jcs913 · 08-15-2011, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Rodyon Raskolnikov

What?

CG, I will help with an audible response. He is saying that people on Criterion's facebook page basically believe that good foreign films are the ones that only Criterion release. He is implying that their facebook followers do not have an inquisitive mind to seek out other quality foreign releases, because the logo is not a C on the case. Frankly, and sadly IMO, that is what those sheep really do believe.

SpiderBaby · 08-15-2011, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by jcs913

CG, I will help with an audible response. He is saying that people on Criterion's facebook page basically believe that good foreign films are the ones that only Criterion release. He is implying that their facebook followers do not have an inquisitive mind to seek out other quality foreign releases, because the logo is not a C on the case. Frankly, and sadly IMO, that is what those sheep really do believe.

thanks, pretty much it.

Hendershot737 · 08-15-2011, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by SpiderBaby

thanks, pretty much it.

While we're on the subject...is there a good source to find great foreign films other than criterion? I'd actually like to ask most of you on this forum as we all tend to share a lot of the same taste...I think. But I do find it difficult to find really good foreign films unless it's by word of mouth. I would never have heard of Come and See (for one example) if not for word of mouth, and that be one great flick.

jcs913 · 08-15-2011, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Hendershot737

While we're on the subject...is there a good source to find great foreign films other than criterion? I'd actually like to ask most of you on this forum as we all tend to share a lot of the same taste...I think. But I do find it difficult to find really good foreign films unless it's by word of mouth. I would never have heard of Come and See (for one example) if not for word of mouth, and that be one great flick.

Boy that's a good question. Seems that some people think IMDB is a great source for this information...

Sorry, I couldn't resist...

Aristide Massaccesi · 08-15-2011, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Hendershot737

While we're on the subject...is there a good source to find great foreign films other than criterion?

My advice is to invest in a region-free player and explore the Masters of Cinema and British Film Institute catalogues for starters.

SpiderBaby · 08-15-2011, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Hendershot737

While we're on the subject...is there a good source to find great foreign films other than criterion? I'd actually like to ask most of you on this forum as we all tend to share a lot of the same taste...I think. But I do find it difficult to find really good foreign films unless it's by word of mouth. I would never have heard of Come and See (for one example) if not for word of mouth, and that be one great flick.

Are you just wanting dvds? Or films not on dvd that can be seen online?

Maybe to start:

Kino
Facets (bad transfers, but great films. Daisies and Valerie and Her Week of Wonders are some favs.)
Fantoma DVD (one of my little favs. Underrated Japanese New Wave filmmaker Yasuzo Masumura, the Brazilian Coffin Joe films, Fassbinder, etc.)
Milestone
Flicker Alley
BFI (get the region free Kenneth Anger blu-ray set)
Artificial Eye
Masters of Cinema
Second Run (If you got a region free player, skip Facets dvds and get the Czech films here.)

And that is to start. If you want to watch some Avant Garde stuff, go here:

http://www.ubu.com/film/index.html

some filmmakers to check out there:

Philippe Garrel
Frans Zwartjes
Toshio Matsumoto
Jean Genet

neo_reloaded · 08-15-2011, 01:06 AM

If you really think the release of Rushmore is in any way preventing or delaying the release of an undiscovered gem, you are an idiot. Plain and simple. From a strictly objective perspective, the release of "popular" titles (relatively popular within the generally UNpopular types of films Criterion and other art-house-leaning labels tend to put out) fund the more niche titles and allow Criterion to do things like their amazing restoration on The Music Room. If your view of Criterion's production line is as simple as "Well they're working on Rushmore, so that's one less important title they could be working on," you don't have clue #1.

And if you have a problem with the wacky C being on a film you hate out of principle, you're just as up your own ass as the clowns on Facebook asking for Criterion to put out Star Wars.

scottpcusa · 08-15-2011, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Movie Nut

So...is this how the discussions usually go in here?

Wow...just...wow.

Welcome to Blu-ray Jr. High!

AgentOrange · 08-15-2011, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by jcs913

AGAIN, the discussion is about Anderson. His entire catalog is basically already released on DVD through Criterion...

Who cares about DVD anymore? It's not on blu-ray. That should be what matters here. Furthermore as long as Criterion still own the rights to all the Anderson films, it's not like there was a question that this would eventually be updated to blu-ray. You (and others with this "attitude") are b****ing, moaning, and generally making asses of yourself about something that was completely inevitable. Criterion has obviously been sitting on this title strategically waiting for a good time to release it - probably waiting for a holiday season + blu-ray adoption rate in order to maximize sales. Releasing Rushmore absolutely is not "taking away" from other films they could be working on, the timing is purely a strategic decision.

As others pointed out more popular titles like Rushmore also will certainly "make the budget" for alot of other stuff that is not at all profitable. While Criterion has a mission of presenting world cinema and "important" films, they have never claimed to only release arthouse and foreign films. One look at their backcatalogue should tell you that (Spinal Tap, The Rock, Silence of the Lambs, Rushmore, Thin Red Line, Dazed and Confused, etc). They are also a business. Even a business with strong principles will employ some strategy in what titles they choose to release, and when. Without selling profitable titles like Rushmore, Criterion may not have the funds to do heavy restoration of older films, or to "reach" for some more avante garde titles that you might prefer. Many of their films quite honestly probably don't make them any money whatsoever. This one will.

BTW I'm not even a huge fan of Anderson, I could care less if Rushmore was released by Criterion or some other label. I just find this attitude retarded. It absolutely lacks common sense thinking, and clearly lacks knowledge of how business works in the real world...

SlickDamian · 08-15-2011, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by SpiderBaby

that list is as boring as that fruitloop who posted that Ben Stiller pic before you. Funny you also kept out the crap that is voted #1 in a week of it's release.

Boring?? C'mon, give me a break! There are so many very great films on that list. You sound very much like a snob. If millions of people and hundreds of critics and various awards organizations like a film, then that means that it isn't good enough for you? Where's the logic in that??

CheapChildren · 08-15-2011, 02:26 AM

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Its comedic how people generally miss the point of the whole Wes Anderson discussion. Folks, all the Anderson films people are talking about and have to have, ARE ALREADY AVAILABLE ON DVD THROUGH CRITERION... That has been the point for years in this discussion. I know many of the newer forum users do not have the history on the initial discussion, as there are too many pages to go back and read. Why would people not feel frustrated when, like I said, Anderson films are already available to buy on a perfectly good quality DVD release, and many other films are to never see a Criterion, let alone any quality release...

The ironic thing I read is the 'film snob' comment. Actually wanting 'your release' on a higher format is the definition of a snob. All these people are saying that Criterions initial release is 'not good enough'.. Isn't that the definition of a snob???

Your argument lacks sense to me...

This is BLU-RAY.com. Not sure if you missed that. Personally I want my favorite films to be presented in top notch fashion. And clearly you haven't paid much attention to Criterion's amazing release roster for the past well.. ever. Which has been filled with updates of older transfers because they know people want that.

Are you telling me you're just opposed to Criterion re-releases in general? Because if that's the case I find it odd that you chose Wes Anderson as your target.. Considering they've only done that ONCE in regards to him! Rushmore.. Haha. Clearly I must be missing your point because you're not complaining about Fellini, Goddard, Truffaut, Altman, Malle, etc...

wilky61 · 08-15-2011, 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by CheapChildren

Your argument lacks sense to me...

This is BLU-RAY.com. Not sure if you missed that. Personally I want my favorite films to be presented in top notch fashion. And clearly you haven't paid much attention to Criterion's amazing release roster for the past well.. ever. Which has been filled with updates of older transfers because they now people want that.

Are you telling me you're just opposed to Criterion re-releases in general? Because if that's the case I find it odd that you chose Wes Anderson as your target.. Considering they've only done that ONCE in regards to him! Rushmore.. Haha. Clearly I must be missing your point because you're not complaining about Fellini, Goddard, Truffaut, Altman, Malle, etc...

Clearly, his point is that Anderson isn't a serious filmmaker/auteur but the men you listed have greater "significance" (to use his word). That's what I perceive to be the crux of the Wes Anderson "discussion."

But that nonsense aside, I don't know how a true lover of film and of the blu-ray format could assert the argument that he's forwarding (that we should just be content with our DVD copies of xyz film).

Hendershot737 · 08-15-2011, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by SpiderBaby

Are you just wanting dvds? Or films not on dvd that can be seen online?

Maybe to start:

Kino
Facets (bad transfers, but great films. Daisies and Valerie and Her Week of Wonders are some favs.)
Fantoma DVD (one of my little favs. Underrated Japanese New Wave filmmaker Yasuzo Masumura, the Brazilian Coffin Joe films, Fassbinder, etc.)
Milestone
Flicker Alley
BFI (get the region free Kenneth Anger blu-ray set)
Artificial Eye
Masters of Cinema
Second Run (If you got a region free player, skip Facets dvds and get the Czech films here.)

And that is to start. If you want to watch some Avant Garde stuff, go here:

http://www.ubu.com/film/index.html

some filmmakers to check out there:

Philippe Garrel
Frans Zwartjes
Toshio Matsumoto
Jean Genet

Thank you so much! And to the others who pitched in a bit, as well. I have actually just found out about MoC a few weeks ago and am indeed using that as a bit of a guideline. I just need me a region free player. But thanks again. I love discovering new bits of cinema.

CheapChildren · 08-15-2011, 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by wilky61

Clearly, his point is that Anderson isn't a serious filmmaker/auteur but the men you listed have greater "significance" (to use his word). That's what I perceive to be the crux of the Wes Anderson "discussion."

But that nonsense aside, I don't know how a true lover of film and of the blu-ray format could assert the argument that he's forwarding (that we should just be content with our DVD copies of xyz film).

Yeah, I was surmising that. It's funny to imagine had he been born 20 years later the genius Anderson would have represented for him compared to the other hacks that call themselves filmmakers..

rock, stone · 08-15-2011, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by jcs913

What points are you refering to? Any point that was directed toward me, I have responded to. Intelligently and legibly I might add...

How's this?

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Originally Posted by rock, stone

So why didn't the sky fall when Fear & Loathing or Dazed & Confused were announced? (both of which are already on CC dvd as well as an other blu ray release)

To which you reply:

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Originally Posted by jcs913

Also, your reading skills must be lacking, as I have never complained about Anderson's movies once in any of my posts. His quality of films was not my point, but yet again, that they are already available from Criterion...

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Originally Posted by jcs913

AGAIN, the discussion is about Anderson. His entire catalog is basically already released on DVD through Criterion...

You complain about this one director's movies, but not others. Why? Which intelligent and legible argument did I miss?

Forget about dvd releases

[Show spoiler]

, what about releasing films already on blu as was mentioned before and quoted above and ignored (intelligently and legibly) by your kind self? Why howl about this and not the other?

Imagine I'm actually asking and not baiting you with junior high condescension the way you just tried to do with me.

jcs913 · 08-15-2011, 02:46 AM

I love these discussions. It's like listening to Charlie Brown's teacher everytime. Enjoy the new Wes blu-ray. Don't forget to save money for the box set.

octagon · 08-15-2011, 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by jcs913

AGAIN, the discussion is about Anderson. His entire catalog is basically already released on DVD through Criterion...

Maybe I misread your earlier posts but weren't you essentially saying it wasn't about Anderson? That it was more about upgrades than the films themselves?

If that's the case and the main objection is to upgrades of perfectly adequate DVD releases then Anderson releases shouldn't really stand out, should they?

And they certainly shouldn't generate more hand-wringing than Dazed and Confused or Fear and Loathing which have perfectly adequate BD releases on top of perfectly adequate DVD releases.

I've never seen Rushmore and I'm not particularly crazy about the few Anderson titles I have seen but if Something Wild can be upgraded without controversy it seems like pretty much anything should

wilky61 · 08-15-2011, 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by jcs913

I love these discussions. It's like listening to Charlie Brown's teacher everytime. Enjoy the new Wes blu-ray. Don't forget to save money for the box set.

Thank you; I will. But I don't feel the need to own all of his films, just my favorites.

I'm curious, though; will you be buying and enjoying Rules of the Game or Wild Strawberries on blu-ray in the near future?

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08-15-2011, 01:06 AM	#34449
neo_reloaded Banned Top contributor Member since:Jan 2008 Blu-ray collection:416 Trading Score:72	If you really think the release of Rushmore is in any way preventing or delaying the release of an undiscovered gem, you are an idiot. Plain and simple. From a strictly objective perspective, the release of "popular" titles (relatively popular within the generally UNpopular types of films Criterion and other art-house-leaning labels tend to put out) fund the more niche titles and allow Criterion to do things like their amazing restoration on The Music Room. If your view of Criterion's production line is as simple as "Well they're working on Rushmore, so that's one less important title they could be working on," you don't have clue #1. And if you have a problem with the wacky C being on a film you hate out of principle, you're just as up your own ass as the clowns on Facebook asking for Criterion to put out Star Wars.

08-15-2011, 02:46 AM	#34458
jcs913 Blu-ray Champion Member since:Apr 2007 Blu-ray reviews:3 Trading Score:576	I love these discussions. It's like listening to Charlie Brown's teacher everytime. Enjoy the new Wes blu-ray. Don't forget to save money for the box set.

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