Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Anthony P]

saw this earlier this week (not sure if anyone posted it) and Steed came to mind.


https://www.theverge.com/2021/11/9/2...laughs-ios-app

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

saw this earlier this week (not sure if anyone posted it) and Steed came to mind.


https://www.theverge.com/2021/11/9/2...laughs-ios-app

Yep, suggested this would happen years ago but as usual, I was treated as the melodramatic doom monger.

My huge concern is still this carbon restriction talk that my government (and USA) have bubbling in the background. A carbon tax would mean a tax on consumers as well as business. It would make goods that have a high carbon footprint (tv sets have a big manufacturing footprint) much more expensive. the government want to force us to use less emissions and this will mean my passion for film (and any other high cost item) is going to be very restricted. A carbon tax of the muted £50 per tonne would be catastrophic and i5 may be the end of consumer enjoyment of film, gaming and luxury purchases considering taxes would go up over the following years.

How would the tech consumer market cope with their customers being forced out of the market?

I honestly believe they will push this tax through in the next few years and we are screwed.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Yep, suggested this would happen years ago but as usual, I was treated as the melodramatic doom monger.

You weren't treated as a melodramatic doom monger for suggesting that various services would embrace short content. You were treated as a melodramatic doom monger for suggesting that short content would replace all other content.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Yep, suggested this would happen years ago but as usual, I was treated as the melodramatic doom monger.

My huge concern is still this carbon restriction talk that my government (and USA) have bubbling in the background. A carbon tax would mean a tax on consumers as well as business. It would make goods that have a high carbon footprint (tv sets have a big manufacturing footprint) much more expensive. the government want to force us to use less emissions and this will mean my passion for film (and any other high cost item) is going to be very restricted. A carbon tax of the muted £50 per tonne would be catastrophic and i5 may be the end of consumer enjoyment of film, gaming and luxury purchases considering taxes would go up over the following years.

How would the tech consumer market cope with their customers being forced out of the market?

I honestly believe they will push this tax through in the next few years and we are screwed.

I don't know about the UK but here in the US, the Carbon Tax will not go through. Not a snowball's chance in Hell. It has already be postulated that the poor and low income people will bear the brunt of the tax. As would those seniors living on Social Security. And ALL are voters who vote.

California has a new law. Been on the books for over a year. The government mandated that solar panels would be required on all new residential buildings with 3 stories or less. Said panels must deliver 4 kilowatts which is the average use of a home of that size. California is the only state to do this.

Here in the US we have the Fed and then we have 50 states and believe me when I say, the Fed has very little influence over those 50 states. Our laws were specifically designed that way.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

I don't know about the UK but here in the US, the Carbon Tax will not go through. Not a snowball's chance in Hell. It has already be postulated that the poor and low income people will bear the brunt of the tax. As would those seniors living on Social Security. And ALL are voters who vote.

California has a new law. Been on the books for over a year. The government mandated that solar panels would be required on all new residential buildings with 3 stories or less. Said panels must deliver 4 kilowatts which is the average use of a home of that size. California is the only state to do this.

Here in the US we have the Fed and then we have 50 states and believe me when I say, the Fed has very little influence over those 50 states. Our laws were specifically designed that way.

Even a European tax would have a catastrophic affect on the USA also. US gets its devices from other countries.

[bhampton]

never-mind... Had something but I feel it's off topic.

I don't think anything will challenge our hobby at least nothing more than the recent events have.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Yep, suggested this would happen years ago but as usual, I was treated as the melodramatic doom monger.

the issue is not that we don't think shorts will exist. They will exist they do exist and they have always existed. The problem is you assume the existance of shorts means that there won't be full feature films in the future. Let's go back to our own childhood, I used to watch sesame street , friendly giant, bugs bunny, rock and Bullwinkle all of these shows where a bunch of shorts strewn together to fill up 1/2h, that does not stop me today from watching longer content.

My huge concern is still this carbon restriction talk that my government (and USA) have bubbling in the background. A carbon tax would mean a tax on consumers as well as business. It would make goods that have a high carbon footprint (tv sets have a big manufacturing footprint) much more expensive. the government want to force us to use less emissions and this will mean my passion for film (and any other high cost item) is going to be very restricted. A carbon tax of the muted £50 per tonne would be catastrophic and i5 may be the end of consumer enjoyment of film, gaming and luxury purchases considering taxes would go up over the following years.

How would the tech consumer market cope with their customers being forced out of the market?

I honestly believe they will push this tax through in the next few years and we are screwed.

would a carbon tax make many things more expensive? yes but why would the customers be forced out of market. Here there is an Environmental Handling Fee (EHF) on electronics, it adds 20$ to a Tv. Did people stop buying Tvs or other electronics? no. Maybe some bought a cheaper model or smaller size (i.e. something they could still afford) maybe some decided to upgrade a bit less often....


now if we apply it to other stuff that is not electronics/home entertainment. Maybe Joe that takes his family on a plane for a cruise will decide it is not worth the extra cost (two very carbon positive activities with no green alternative at this time) and will decide to go camping in his area ( much greener and cheaper activity) and use the money saved on a bigger better TV.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

the issue is not that we don't think shorts will exist. They will exist they do exist and they have always existed. The problem is you assume the existance of shorts means that there won't be full feature films in the future. Let's go back to our own childhood, I used to watch sesame street , friendly giant, bugs bunny, rock and Bullwinkle all of these shows where a bunch of shorts strewn together to fill up 1/2h, that does not stop me today from watching longer content.



would a carbon tax make many things more expensive? yes but why would the customers be forced out of market. Here there is an Environmental Handling Fee (EHF) on electronics, it adds 20$ to a Tv. Did people stop buying Tvs or other electronics? no. Maybe some bought a cheaper model or smaller size (i.e. something they could still afford) maybe some decided to upgrade a bit less often....


now if we apply it to other stuff that is not electronics/home entertainment. Maybe Joe that takes his family on a plane for a cruise will decide it is not worth the extra cost (two very carbon positive activities with no green alternative at this time) and will decide to go camping in his area ( much greener and cheaper activity) and use the money saved on a bigger better TV.

A carbon tax would have to be quite high to actually affect consumers carbon consumption. My fear is that increasing taxes would phase out TV sets as consumers cut down.

My hope is that the industry can continue to develop solutions that lessen emissions and use renewables but that will take a decade.

I’m extremely worried about this potential tax and it’s impact on the entertainment industry. (And the resulting effect on my ability to enjoy films at home.

It may reach a stage where TV sets and computers etc.. are simply too expensive.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Even a European tax would have a catastrophic affect on the USA also. US gets its devices from other countries.

Yes - primarily from China and Asia: Korea, Japan, The Phillipines, etc. I don't see any of those countries passing a Carbon Tax, ESPECIALLY China who has 1,082 operational coal power plants and kowtows to no one.

The only industry today that is paramount in the UK that has any influence on the US is movie making. And literally hundreds of new sound stages are being built here in the US, most with microLED walls and ceilings. This brings the cost of movie production way down - no need for location shooting with a staff of 100 people or more.

Steedeel,for decades there has been a movement to get rid of our current Tax Codes which numbers 4000 pages. What they want is a Flat Tax. Everyone pays 15%. No deductions. It makes so much sense and yet for the last 30 years, they can't get it through.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Yes - primarily from China and Asia: Korea, Japan, The Phillipines, etc. I don't see any of those countries passing a Carbon Tax, ESPECIALLY China who has 1,082 operational coal power plants and kowtows to no one.

The only industry today that is paramount in the UK that has any influence on the US is movie making. And literally hundreds of new sound stages are being built here in the US, most with microLED walls and ceilings. This brings the cost of movie production way down - no need for location shooting with a staff of 100 people or more.

Steedeel,for decades there has been a movement to get rid of our current Tax Codes which numbers 4000 pages. What they want is a Flat Tax. Everyone pays 15%. No deductions. It makes so much sense and yet for the last 30 years, they can't get it through.

They are building studios here as well. (Comcast owned Sky for example)

I’m hoping the industry can force through renewable energy changes and the carbo; cost of streaming and watching my discs goes down.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

I don't know about the UK but here in the US, the Carbon Tax will not go through. Not a snowball's chance in Hell. It has already be postulated that the poor and low income people will bear the brunt of the tax. As would those seniors living on Social Security. And ALL are voters who vote.

sorry for getting political, but it is BS.

Don't get me wrong, like always anything that increases costs will affect the poor the most.

But they are not the brunt of the emissions so their finances should barely change with a carbon tax. That is just BS sold by the wealthy to convince the masses for their own benefit. Think about it is the senior stuck at home in his one bedroom apartment eating cat food out of the can and goes to bet as soon as the sun starts setting likely to have a large large carbon foot print (and so paying a lot for carbon tax) or the jet setter that has his mansion fully illuminated all night (so surveillance cameras can better capture anyone approaching) takes his helicopter to the golf course during the week and jetting off to a different country to party all weekend long.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

sorry for getting political, but it is BS.

Don't get me wrong, like always anything that increases costs will affect the poor the most.

But they are not the brunt of the emissions so their finances should barely change with a carbon tax. That is just BS sold by the wealthy to convince the masses for their own benefit. Think about it is the senior stuck at home in his one bedroom apartment eating cat food out of the can and goes to bet as soon as the sun starts setting likely to have a large large carbon foot print (and so paying a lot for carbon tax) or the jet setter that has his mansion fully illuminated all night (so surveillance cameras can better capture anyone approaching) takes his helicopter to the golf course during the week and jetting off to a different country to party all weekend long.

Stanford research finds carbon regulation burden heaviest on poor

https://news.stanford.edu/news/2014/...ax-022814.html

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

A carbon tax would have to be quite high to actually affect consumers carbon consumption. My fear is that increasing taxes would phase out TV sets as consumers cut down.

My hope is that the industry can continue to develop solutions that lessen emissions and use renewables but that will take a decade.

I’m extremely worried about this potential tax and it’s impact on the entertainment industry. (And the resulting effect on my ability to enjoy films at home.

It may reach a stage where TV sets and computers etc.. are simply too expensive.

I know what your fear is , it just does not make any sense IMHO.

1) I am sure there are people here that change TVs every year. But that is not typical what ever jump in price you think will happen to Tvs you need to put it in perspective with the number of years they will keep it for (some more then a decade)

2) TVs need to be shipped, but a 20' container is about the size of a small cabin on a cruise ship. That cabin fits a couple, that container fits 400 TVs. now you will say that TVs need manufacturing and plastic..... but a cruise ship has ballrooms and show rooms and dining rooms.... the carbon cost of a cruise is orders higher then a TV. But if you want to lower your crbon foot print go with a projector (smaller- fits more in a container, lighter, less material)

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

I know what your fear is , it just does not make any sense IMHO.

1) I am sure there are people here that change TVs every year. But that is not typical what ever jump in price you think will happen to Tvs you need to put it in perspective with the number of years they will keep it for (some more then a decade)

2) TVs need to be shipped, but a 20' container is about the size of a small cabin on a cruise ship. That cabin fits a couple, that container fits 400 TVs. now you will say that TVs need manufacturing and plastic..... but a cruise ship has ballrooms and show rooms and dining rooms.... the carbon cost of a cruise is orders higher then a TV. But if you want to lower your crbon foot print go with a projector (smaller- fits more in a container, lighter, less material)

I have a projector lol.

You read my mind with answer number two. I was going to go on to mention that the mining and all the land used bangs the price up.

I realise I’m worrying excessively about this but I’m a simple guy. My families well-being comes first and then I can cope with whatever life throws at me as long as I have my films to enjoy. I can’t bare the thought of not having access.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Most of my house is illuminated with LED light sources. Converted most of my fluorescent light fixtures to LED tubes. Most lighting is controlled by X10, Z-Wave and ZeeBee automation.

My heating is done with natural gas and the units are 95% efficient (measured 97%). The exhaust flues are PVC and barely get warm during a heating cycle. Water heater is a high efficiency unit. My A/C measured about 15.6 SEER. Had to pay a fair amount extra for heat/cool units (Trane) but we did get some tax credits. Have a Nest thermostat upstairs and a smart Honeywell downstairs.

Small auto > 33mpg and mini van > 26mpg.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Stanford research finds carbon regulation burden heaviest on poor

https://news.stanford.edu/news/2014/...ax-022814.html

you have to go beyond headlines

" Under a hypothetical carbon tax, households in the lowest income group would pay as a percent of income more than twice what households in the highest 10 percent of income distribution pay"

"This suggests that the adverse incidence of such a tax can be ameliorated through highly targeted financial assistance, without reducing the incentive benefits of a carbon tax"

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Most of my house is illuminated with LED light sources. Converted most of my fluorescent light fixtures to LED tubes. Most lighting is controlled by X10, Z-Wave and ZeeBee automation.

My heating is done with natural gas and the units are 95% efficient (measured 97%). The exhaust flues are PVC and barely get warm during a heating cycle. Water heater is a high efficiency unit. My A/C measured about 15.6 SEER. Had to pay a fair amount extra for heat/cool units (Trane) but we did get some tax credits. Have a Nest thermostat upstairs and a smart Honeywell downstairs.

Small auto > 33mpg and mini van > 26mpg.

my lights are about 50-50, everything (heating, cooling, stove...)is electric. I have a propane generator (for when the power is out-which does not happen often) and my electric grid is almost completely renewables (~95 Hydro)

car- Hyundai Elantra I think 12 years old.

[alchav21]

JungleCruise.jpg

Watched Jungle Cruise last night on Disney+ in UHD 4K, really enjoyed the Movie. PQ and Sound Terrific, the storyline was very good with Action and Special Effects. The chemistry between Emily Blunt and Dwayne Johnson added to the Movie. It's worth a watch!

[bhampton]

Hard to believe they could create chemistry with those particular actors but I liked it also and may watch it again because others in the house want a movie night tonight. It's an easy recommendation being fun and family friendly.

[gotmule]

Originally Posted by bhampton

Hard to believe they could create chemistry with those particular actors but I liked it also and may watch it again because others in the house want a movie night tonight. It's an easy recommendation being fun and family friendly.

I am on the fence with picking it up on release week. Candyman for sure due to early reviews saying it is the best sounding release of the year, but not sure about Jungle Cruise. Too close to BF for a deal on it I think though.