Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[cheez avenger]

So AMC+ is offering a Black Friday deal for a 1-year subscription for $1.99 per month ($23.88 total). You pay the $23.88 up front and are good for a year. I was paying $8.99 per month via Amazon, which is still a great deal, but now it's even better. AMC+ also comes with BBC America, Shudder, IFC, and Sundance Film Channel. You'll now just be accessing the channels via the AMC+ app.


https://www.amcplus.com/

[unberechenbar]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

Bought my tickets for House of Gucci in Dolby Cinema for Next Friday and Resident Evil: WTRC in regular digital next Sunday.

Watched the season finale of Foundation and that was great!

I plan to see House of Gucci next week too. I wonder how it'll compare to The Last Duel.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You guys didn't answer my question, with your setups what looks and sounds good to Wendell is a lot different than what looks and sounds good to Steedeel.....Subjective!

Even Discs have compression, but the equipment used makes the difference and there's a cost for this Quality. JohnAV put this minimum cost at around $8K.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...4#post19446374

you are missing the point.


Let's start with an extreme example

a couple decides to watch a 2h film they have on VHS. Part way through the film they find out some one taped over it a 1/2 h sitcom.

Subjectively one of the people could be distraught because they want to be able to watch that film and there is no other way to get to do it, while the other person is ecstatic because this means they won't be forced to sit through that film again. No matter how good or bad their equipment is it can't recreate the part that is missing and no matter how they feel about it 1/4 of the film is missing.

Even if we don't go that extreme (let's say old overplayed VHS tape). The same is true, the A/V noise can't be replaced by with what is missing and subjectively one person can decide to live with it for what ever reason while an other person decides not to watch it because he does not care enough.


When we get objective facts we can all make our own subjective opinions based on the facts but if all we get is someone's subjective opinion it tends to be more or less useless to anyone else to help them make up their opinion.

Yes even disks have loss and what is lost no matter how good the equipment is it can't bring it back. But that is irrelevant, no one offers anything without loss to video and if there is only a lossy audio track people bring it up. The question is how much is the loss. If you take out 1k$ from the ATM and lost 20$ or you lost 1/2 would you agree the amount remaining is different and feel differently about it?

Maybe steeds equipment is not as good as Wendell but anything that is lost in the source is not there for either of their equipment to be able to properly show it. That is why it all starts at the source and like you say they don't have the same equipment or set-up so discussing what it looks like on either of their set-up is irrelevant to the other person.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Not at all Steedeel, everyone buys the best equipment for their budget and needs. My point was this equipment has different levels and cost, with the better equipment costing more and delivering higher Quality. So the high end equipment will produce the best PQ and Sound, then stepping down from there.

not exactly there is great difference in cost that has nothing to do with presentation of a film. For example a receiver with more zones and inputs will cost more even if the rest of the specs and quality are the same. Take a projector add motorized (zoom, focus...) and boom the price jumps a lot, add more inputs and the price goes up, add luxury items like saved pre-sets and the price jumps again.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

not exactly there is great difference in cost that has nothing to do with presentation of a film. For example a receiver with more zones and inputs will cost more even if the rest of the specs and quality are the same. Take a projector add motorized (zoom, focus...) and boom the price jumps a lot, add more inputs and the price goes up, add luxury items like saved pre-sets and the price jumps again.

What Point are you trying to make, because my Point is chasing Perfection is almost impossible. A Home Theater is trying to replicate the Theatrical Experience, and that has to be Subjective and very dependent on a person's equipment and setup. So the PQ and Sound on an Average HT is a lot different than this Quality on a High End HT.......Subjective!

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by alchav21

What Point are you trying to make, because my Point is chasing Perfection is almost impossible. A Home Theater is trying to replicate the Theatrical Experience, and that has to be Subjective and very dependent on a person's equipment and setup. So the PQ and Sound on an Average HT is a lot different than this Quality on a High End HT.......Subjective!

It's not subjective, which is based on personal opinions. It's objective because it can be measured with instruments. Screen brightness, color uniformity, black level, color tempature, white balance, etc can all be measured (and adjusted) to fit standards set by SMPTE.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by alchav21

What Point are you trying to make, because my Point is chasing Perfection is almost impossible.

1) no one is talking perfection
2) chasing perfection is possible, reaching it might not be.

A Home Theater is trying to replicate the Theatrical Experience, and that has to be Subjective and very dependent on a person's equipment and setup.

who decided that? I have an HT because I don't want the theatre experience where I am limited on food and beverage to what they offer, where people won't be talking or looking at their phones.....

So the PQ and Sound on an Average HT is a lot different than this Quality on a High End HT.......

I agree most peoples set-up does not come close to mine. Who cares. I am not sitting to watch on their set-up, or yours or Steed's or Wendell's I am sitting in front of my screens so I care how they look and sound and I want to get the best out of them I can.

Subjective!

there is always a subjective way of viewing things even if it is insane (i.e. for example the earth is flat is objectively insane but subjectively people still decide to believe that). The issue is that it is meaningless to everyone else. No one is telling you not to enjoy watching Netflix HD streaming because you don't care if HD streaming is objectively better and UHD BD is even better then that. It is like with grades Objectively 95% is not perfect but is better then 61% now if the person that got 61% only tells us he is happy (because he was certain he would fail) and the one that got 99% only tells us they are sad because they were chasing the perfect mark of 100% and failed to get it, their happiness and sadness does not tell us how they did, telling us the objective 99% and 61% does.

[Wendell R. Breland]

@ gotmule

Procured Old Henry and watched a few nights ago, we are glad to have it in our library. Also watched the Green Knight, glad we got it on the Amazon BF deals otherwise would PO if had paid regular price.

Watched The Protégé last night and forgot to pay much attention to the Atmos track, no matter, will procure when on sale.

A big miss on Atmos sound track: Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings. Liked the movie and may procure but the sound track could have been much better. Watched via Disney+.

[gotmule]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

@ gotmule

Procured Old Henry and watched a few nights ago, we are glad to have it in our library. Also watched the Green Knight, glad we got it on the Amazon BF deals otherwise would PO if had paid regular price.

Watched The Protégé last night and forgot to pay much attention to the Atmos track, no matter, will procure when on sale.

A big miss on Atmos sound track: Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings. Liked the movie and may procure but the sound track could have been much better. Watched via Disney+.

Was wondering what you were going to say about Old Henry. I am looking forward to popping it myself. I have Green Knight and Protege waiting in the wings as well. Glad you liked it.

I heard the same for Shang Chi with it being another miss by Disney for audio.

[bhampton]

Green Knight was fine but yeah..... good one not to pay MSRP for.

My local library streaming service. Kanopy, seems to have a partnership with A24 so it's a good place to audition things that look like they might just be ok.

[Steedeel]

Surprised to see all the negative Green Knight reviews. I thought it was going to be one of the stand out films of the year. Still excited to see it and hopefully disagree with you all. No 4K yet so just picking up the German Blu-ray.

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Surprised to see all the negative Green Knight reviews. I thought it was going to be one of the stand out films of the year. Still excited to see it and hopefully disagree with you all. No 4K yet so just picking up the German Blu-ray.

It's actually great, it's just off the beaten path and not something typical. I was happy to see it part of the Black Friday sales and purchased the UHD as a blind buy. I did like it but it was a blind buy and if someone didn't like it $10 is better than $30 to take the chance.

So far, Zack Snyder's Justice League is the winner of my best of UHD BD BF for $10.00 award for 2021.

That felt like a blind buy having only seen the other version which was also totally different. I'm glad I didn't try to watch it streaming because the audio was spectacular. It's like 2 movies being 4 hours long and on 2 discs and so on. Quite a good BF purchase. Would have loved for it to come with a digital copy but still.

I know my oldest daughter will love The Green Knight and she'll be home for Thanksgiving and I look forward to seeing it again.

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

@ gotmule


A big miss on Atmos sound track: Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings. Liked the movie and may procure but the sound track could have been much better. Watched via Disney+.

I try to wait for the disc. I guess I do pay for D+ so I may as well check it out but I don't expect lossless audio from streaming.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by bhampton

It's actually great, it's just off the beaten path and not something typical. I was happy to see it part of the Black Friday sales and purchased the UHD as a blind buy. I did like it but it was a blind buy and if someone didn't like it $10 is better than $30 to take the chance.

So far, Zack Snyder's Justice League is the winner of my best of UHD BD BF for $10.00 award for 2021.

That felt like a blind buy having only seen the other version which was also totally different. I'm glad I didn't try to watch it streaming because the audio was spectacular. It's like 2 movies being 4 hours long and on 2 discs and so on. Quite a good BF purchase. Would have loved for it to come with a digital copy but still.

I know my oldest daughter will love The Green Knight and she'll be home for Thanksgiving and I look forward to seeing it again.

Looking forward to seeing it. I picked up Justice league Snyder cut but haven’t watched it yet. Might do a Christmas night session with that one when the family go home.
Icing covered mince pies, a glass of wine and the HT.

[bhampton]

Sounds like you could get the UHD BD of Green Knight on the cheap if Wendell doesn't think it's got repeat viewing value

If we could be organized I would export BF deals to you. I'm not sure how much Amazon UK varies with the super awesome $10 UHD BD
deals.

I sure hope my new Projector arrives before Christmas but I'm thinking about running trough the whole Bond series before sharing No Time to Die in my home theater near the holiday.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by bhampton

Sounds like you could get the UHD BD of Green Knight on the cheap if Wendell doesn't think it's got repeat viewing value

lol

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by bhampton

Sounds like you could get the UHD BD of Green Knight on the cheap if Wendell doesn't think it's got repeat viewing value

While the Potential For Repeat Viewing (PFRV = 2) is only 2 it does have potential. It was worth the $10 for the UHD BD, for us it is not worth $29 or even $24. Some high profile titles like Black Widow has a PFRV = 0 while others like Dune (2021) has a PFRV = 4. In the days of LD The Lasers Edge used the term PFRV in their reviews and I have been using it ever since.

I also use the 10 point star rating in Movie Collector. Watched Reminiscence recently, gave it 6 stars but PFRV = 0 so I will not purchase.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

While the Potential For Repeat Viewing (PFRV = 2) is only 2 it does have potential. It was worth the $10 for the UHD BD, for us it is not worth $29 or even $24. Some high profile titles like Black Widow has a PFRV = 0 while others like Dune (2021) has a PFRV = 4. In the days of LD The Lasers Edge used the term PFRV in their reviews and I have been using it ever since.

I also use the 10 point star rating in Movie Collector. Watched Reminiscence recently, gave it 6 stars but PFRV = 0 so I will not purchase.

Potential for repeat viewings always factor into my final score. In my rating system a film can’t get 5/5 without it.

I know for some there may be exceptions for outstanding films that are so extreme or disturbing that some can’t watch again, but I can tolerate anything in the name of art/film, so in my system it’s not a issue.

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With what sort of video data reduction artifacts?


Kirk Bayne

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Potential for repeat viewings always factor into my final score. In my rating system a film can’t get 5/5 without it.

I believe most enthusiast will come up with a system that suits them.

For us/me we have some titles that may not be very good but they may be (Super Mario Bros.) or have a great music track (Legend) that makes them worth repeat viewings.