Heat 4K UHD (1995)

[CreasyBear]

Originally Posted by Dasko

Honestly wonder if whoever calibrated this disc forwent a monitor and used a ub820 with this setting on. I’m sure other players will have an equivalent of this function.

That's not how it works.

But yeah, the HDR optimizer is amazing on the Panny's. Must have feature for titles like this.

[KubrickKurasawa]

I'm so glad I avoided this Terminator 2 4K style of release, I don't want to feel that pain again! Imagine buying/pre-ordering a movie you enjoy and then feeling pain! Talk about counter-intuitive! Therapy will be needed in the years to come.

[Dasko]

Originally Posted by Ryan1973

Actually I believe it is the accurate way for HDR content. I have mine always on in that mode. I have them off when watching DV content though since it gives a brighter picture.

Dynamic Tone Mapping is automatically disabled when watching DV content, isn’t it?

[Ryan1973]

Originally Posted by Dasko

Dynamic Tone Mapping is automatically disabled when watching DV content, isn’t it?

Yes it is. But I also have dynamic contrast turned off for DV content.

[Dasko]

Originally Posted by CreasyBear

That's not how it works.

But yeah, the HDR optimizer is amazing on the Panny's. Must have feature for titles like this.

Unfortunately HDR optimisation is disabled for Dolby Vision content. I’m now torn as to whether to watch Mulholland Drive with DV and lose all that detail in the blacks, or disable DV so I can optimise and see everything. Will have to do some tests as night.

[PNguyen]

Originally Posted by Dasko

Unfortunately HDR optimisation is disabled for Dolby Vision content. I’m now torn as to whether to watch Mulholland Drive with DV and lose all that detail in the blacks, or disable DV so I can optimise and see everything. Will have to do some tests as night.

Mulholland Drive isn’t dim

[lgans316]

I bet Sex Lies and Videotape would come off worse than or close to Heat when it comes HDR.

It's not dark but there is nothing to rave about.

[Bellicose]

Originally Posted by MR THX

This guy gets it!!
Yepp i totally agree, i seen it in a cinema originally and have loved it and Mann’s output ever since.
Its only when you compare the 2017 and older 2009 that you truly see the improvements on the New 4K Release, note when Val kilmer comes out the Bank and he’s Smiling then opens fire, The main reason Mann has chosen to slightly darken the image is there’s a few shots where the picture is overblown with Exposure, Val’s face is too bright but on the 4K its been reigned back to a more correct looking exposure.

The Blacks are no longer Crushed and colours are not overblown, That plus the extra resolution showing the most filmic its ever been on any format, iam thrilled overall with this, it should have been released 4 years back instead of the 1080p Bluray but very happy to have it now.
The 5.1 DTS Master Audio is a Reference quality track, nothing more is needed.

If it somehow gets another 4K Release from a boutique, it would only benefit from more data using a 100g disc and Dolby Vision. I’ll be there AGAIN
HEAT is a Masterpiece on so many levels.

Oled Light 100, Contrast 100, Panasonic ub820 +1 Contrast, All Tone mapping off

A more correct looking exposure LMAO. They were in broad daylight shooting that in LA.

It looks like dusk now.

You all are hilarious, and to me it proves the point that people on this forum will literally buy anything and claim it's amazing. We've seen this with the worst transfers. There are always a bunch of people willing to defend anything.

Newsflash: sometimes in real life the actual sun causes exposure issues. There is a way to be subtle and only tweak your film a bit to make it look better. Think Burton's Batman.

And then there is a way to completely revise your masterwork and pee all over it, hence this release.

[Bellicose]

Originally Posted by KubrickKurasawa

I'm so glad I avoided this Terminator 2 4K style of release, I don't want to feel that pain again! Imagine buying/pre-ordering a movie you enjoy and then feeling pain! Talk about counter-intuitive! Therapy will be needed in the years to come.

I mean when you take a wild dump on perhaps your best film and then claim this is how it's going to be, well yeah therapy will be needed. It's like The French Connection all over again.

[jeffm2016]

Is the bluray in the new 4k heat 3 disk the same bluray and the previous 4k non hdr bluray? Or is it a new transfer?

[Doc Samson]

Originally Posted by jeffm2016

Is the bluray in the new 4k heat 3 disk the same bluray and the previous 4k non hdr bluray? Or is it a new transfer?

It's the same as the 2017 Blu-Ray release

[Bellicose]

Originally Posted by slimjean

What is "most" people? A few complainers on a forum?

It may be obvious to you, but I think it obviously looks outstanding just like the 2017 bluray.

What I am thinking is there are a fair bit of posters that never upgraded to the 2017 version so this shock is delayed. Add to it they never saw Heat in the theater or even have any idea what the analog print looked like so they are declaring that their 2009 bluray is defacto.

Well guess what, it isn't.

This is the Godfather all over again. I get it. I had my own hate for Halloween and Dressed to Kill (which I bracing for what Kino does ), but at some point ya gotta let it go.

In this case some tv's are also a part of it. Oled might be abke to show blacks real nice, but perhsps if not calibrated right it us screwing up the presentation of something that tests the limits.

Heat should have always been dark. That is the movie, and cryin' isn't gonna help.

Me hopes you at least own the 4K or like Vilya you are speaking from ignorance (even if his conclusion is brutally spot on).

Bud, unless you got some evidence to show us, simmer down. You have shown nothing, claimed all kinds of random stuff, and none of it makes a lick of sense. Mann said HIMSELF THAT HE REVISED THE WHOLE COLOR TIMING. THIS IS NOT WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE. PLEASE REREAD THIS TWICE SO YOU UNDERSTAND.

The 2009 bluray is how the DVD looked and WAY closer to how this looked in the theaters without going straight from the negative. It's what their master showed that they got the film from in 2009. Mann literally told you that he revised the film to look like it was shot now, even though that makes no sense anyway.

Nothing is screwing up the presentation but a very poor release, this one. The end. Glad I could help.

[Jorvic]

It's a lovely 4K UHD this one. Just trying to resist watching it five times in a row.

[Aemstel]

A bit offtopic and sorry if this is old news to some, but I hadn't heard about it before:

https://twitter.com/MegGardiner1/sta...36003285733377

New film coming too...?

[Bourne1886]

I haven’t bought the new UHD yet. Why? Because it sounds like a shit show. Some are saying it’s too dark and some are saying it’s good. I must admit looking at those stills a few pages back where one is darker than the other it’s put me off buying it. It’s not that it looks dark it looks "dim" to me.
Which is a shame as I want to support these releases especially the ones from Disney who seem to be quite reluctant at releasing 20th century Fox’s back catalogue. I remember when Studio Canal released Cliffhanger it was darker on my tv than the Sony release. (I didn’t adjust the picture) In the end I didn’t like the darker SC version so I gave that to my brother. I stuck with the Sony which I just happened to prefer. That’s where I think at lot comes down to preference rather than watching it the "way it’s supposed to be watched". I mean you’ve got to be personally happy with your set up (with the amount of money you fork out on it) haven’t you? For the record I’m all for the UHD of a release looking ‘good’ but not to the point where it "pops" for the sake of it and it not being revisionism in terms of a new look. By the sounds of it Mann decided to change things which is his prerogative as the director. Fans can either like it or not. When I got the 2017 Blu-ray I actually thought it looked darker but not "dull" and the colours looked richer. I actually preferred it to the 2009 version in this instance, which kind of goes against my preferred way of things being presented which goes against my pop comment. (Will I get stick for this I ask myself-lol.) I have no issue with a movie looking darker but not dim which is what I felt had happened to Cliffhanger by SC. I know I haven’t seen the UHD of Heat but going by those stills it definitely looks dim. Are those stills accurate, are they just there as an example to try and represent the difference between the 2009 Blu-ray and the UHD?
It’s not often I’m torn between buying a release but this time I am. As a film enthusiast (if that’s what we are?) I want to support these releases as much as I can because I’m sure discs are "niche" now where streaming is concerned and we are the connoisseurs as we like to collect physical releases but is this a case of Mann doing what he wanted or have Disney released a poor disc?
I’d be interested to hear peoples thoughts on this as I’m undecided on purchasing it and would like some more info. I know seeing it with my own eyes is the best way of deciding but any help, objective balanced help would be appreciated before/if I purchase. Thankyou.

[ntotoro]

It’s dark, darker than I think real life is in those environments, but at no time did I find it unwatchable. This was on my 55” C1.

Completely amateur opinion, but I’ve seen some brighter content that had scenes so dark, I had to ask myself what I was watching. I never felt that with this release. That said, the daytime shots just don’t look terribly realistic in their haze. If it was an artistic direction, fine… whatever. It was still watchable, it just seemed darker than it should have been.

I absolutely adore this film and have a feeling it’ll be the only 4K physical media version we see.

[Aemstel]

@Bourne1886 I think the word dim describes it correctly. I really dislike the look of this disc. Judging by your post, I think you would too. I'm not sure if it's Mann's doing entirely or if Disney also released a bad disc. Might be a combination of those things. Again, some people like this disc. I just don't see it. It looks very ugly to me, especially the daylight scenes.

[slimjean]

Originally Posted by Bellicose

Bud, unless you got some evidence to show us, simmer down. You have shown nothing, claimed all kinds of random stuff, and none of it makes a lick of sense. Mann said HIMSELF THAT HE REVISED THE WHOLE COLOR TIMING. THIS IS NOT WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE. PLEASE REREAD THIS TWICE SO YOU UNDERSTAND.

He revised the color pallet to reflect the vision as originally intended.

Look at this quote on the 4K:

When you go into Blu-Ray, and you go to 4K, you’re in a different color space. Meaning that what was magenta doesn’t translate exactly. There’s no logarithm you could use to make “magenta” still stay magenta, with that exact color. So you have to imagine everything, from contrast, to how black blacks are, to what the color palette is.

I cannot take anyone seriously that is holding up the DVD as a shining example of how the film should look. It lacks the color space, the resolution...son I don't know where to begin with that.

No wonder you think I don't make a lick of sense when you start with a foundation based on that.

Let us take your logic. So if a release in closer to the original time it was released then it must be right! The closest to getting it from the negative no less!

While not DVD you can get to worshipping there....might be kinda lonely though. When was the last post...January? Most of us have moved on to better things.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=107339

You think the release is poor TO YOU, good, THE END.

Now back to people that have better equipment, and have the actual experience with the movie, let us actually let the grateful atmosphere wash over. This is a great day in Heat history, and why thread crap if you don't like it?

Why not go give the inaccurate previous bluray a spin instead? I promise that thread, or any other related to the innaccurate 2005 version is all yours to shake your fist in the air saying how great it was! *chirp* *chirp*

p.s. I know this may be a huge revelation for you, but there has to be color revision to match an analog print. When he mentions trying to match if he was shooting 2 or 3 years ago, he is referring to the fact that he is seeing it as he originally intended. He wants the color to be what he envisioned. This is not the same as tweaking for the hell of it. Believe it or not, the negative degrades, and the only man that truly knows what existed is the one that was part of the process (as long as he isn't senile).

For those that know better, this look was how it was. While you want it to be overly bright and not have the reds drenched out, to keep it as the 2005 version, is a huge disservice to the original art.

Is this you??

heat dvd looks way better than 4k blu ranting - YouTube

Nice rant about Collateral.

Originally Posted by Bourne1886

When I got the 2017 Blu-ray I actually thought it looked darker but not "dull" and the colours looked richer. I actually preferred it to the 2009 version in this instance, which kind of goes against my preferred way of things being presented which goes against my pop comment.

It is my opinion that if you like the 2017 version, you are getting an upgrade that is close to that. If you have a crappy tv that has a bunch of burn in, that isn't going to help either.

One should just judge for yourself. You can always sell it later. Heat is that awesome of a movie, it is worth the risk. I mean the juice is the action!

[PNguyen]

Originally Posted by slimjean

He revised the color pallet to reflect the vision as originally intended.

Look at this quote on the 4K:



I cannot take anyone seriously that is holding up the DVD as a shining example of how the film should look. It lacks the color space, the resolution...son I don't know where to begin with that.

No wonder you think I don't make a lick of sense when you start with a foundation based on that.

Let us take your logic. So if a release in closer to the original time it was released then it must be right! The closest to getting it from the negative no less!

While not DVD you can get to worshipping there....might be kinda lonely though. When was the last post...January? Most of us have moved on to better things.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=107339

You think the release is poor TO YOU, good, THE END.

Now back to people that have better equipment, and have the actual experience with the movie, let us actually let the grateful atmosphere wash over. This is a great day in Heat history, and why thread crap if you don't like it?

Why not go give the inaccurate previous bluray a spin instead? I promise that thread, or any other related to the innaccurate 2005 version is all yours to shake your fist in the air saying how great it was! *chirp* *chirp*

p.s. I know this may be a huge revelation for you, but there has to be color revision to match an analog print. When he mentions trying to match if he was shooting 2 or 3 years ago, he is referring to the fact that he is seeing it as he originally intended. He wants the color to be what he envisioned. This is not the same as tweaking for the hell of it. Believe it or not, the negative degrades, and the only man that truly knows what existed is the one that was part of the process (as long as he isn't senile).

For those that know better, this look was how it was. While you want it to be overly bright and not have the reds drenched out, to keep it as the 2005 version, is a huge disservice to the original art.

Is this you??

heat dvd looks way better than 4k blu ranting - YouTube

Nice rant about Collateral.



It is my opinion that if you like the 2017 version, you are getting an upgrade that is close to that. If you have a crappy tv that has a bunch of burn in, that isn't going to help either.

One should just judge for yourself. You can always sell it later. Heat is that awesome of a movie, it is worth the risk. I mean the juice is the action!

Does he talk about the 4K disc at all cause I started skipping through and he’s just sort of ranting about other things

[Aemstel]

Originally Posted by PNguyen

Does he talk about the 4K disc at all cause I started skipping through and he’s just sort of ranting about other things

I did see a bunch of smileys in a row, so I think he's having fun.