Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Superior choice, yes, but sadly not the popular choice.

Steedeel's predictions don't just target data centers, but our ability to buy and use TVs, home theaters, pretty much anything with a power cord, and the production of new content itself. It's back to the caves and watching shadow puppet shows for all of us. If we can afford to light a fire, that is.

Regardless, it’s 50/50 that carbon rationing is introduced. It’s either that or carbon tax. (Or both if we are really in trouble by 2026-27)

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

I don't know about the UK, but here in the US, Congress would have to vote in a Carbon Tax/Rationing along with the President signing it into law and the chances of that happening are nill and nada.

Is this the third time or the fourth time you have brought this subject up?

It would have to be introduced. USA couldn't just duck a thing like that with the world about to burn.

It’s the third time I brought it up because it will most likely happen by this decade.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

I don't know about the UK, but here in the US, Congress would have to vote in a Carbon Tax/Rationing along with the President signing it into law and the chances of that happening are nill and nada.

Is this the third time or the fourth time you have brought this subject up?

UK adults are all up at arms about Net Zero. Its their hot topic. Its the old you're going to pay more in taxes because a increasing amount of power will be green. Its is what it is everywhere.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

UK adults are all up at arms about Net Zero. Its their hot topic.

Every country will have to be. It’s not a ‘bury head in sand’ thing that will just go away. The future of home video is very much at stake. That’s why I’m trying to ascertain what systems or survival tactics People think will be put in place by media companies such as Netflix, Disney+ etc..

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Every country will have to be. It’s not a ‘bury head in sand’ thing that will just go away. The future of home video is very much at stake. That’s why I’m trying to ascertain what systems or survival tactics People think will be put in place by media companies such as Netflix, Disney+ etc..

Buy more books, be happy.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

you miss the point I might have spent a bit of cash on players, but I have spent a lot of cash on content. I might have decided I don't care about watching stuff on DVD or anything earlier but if I want I can go on-line and buy a VHS player or a LD player or..... and continue watching that part of my collection. People that spent money on cinema now, target ticket..... cannot say the same. The minute the service ends access to stream the content you bought previously also ends. No matter what word games you want to play.

You are trying to suggest that the closure of these digital sellers bodes poorly for the future of the existing digital storefronts, but what does the loss of three disc player manufacturers say about physical media's prospects?

There's nothing positive about the loss of these brands and no one has exactly raced in to take their place. Reavon and Tascam are not exactly priced to attract new customers. Few people even know that they exist.

All of the closed digital sellers have been replaced and entities like Movies Anywhere mitigates, somewhat, the risk of losing titles should another digital storefront close. Apple and Amazon seem unlikely to shutter their digital stores, but is it safe to trust that no more disc player manufacturers will call it quits?

I do not fear for the future of physical media. I believe that it has enough die hard support to keep it going, necessary hardware included, but I do not ever see it regaining its former popularity nor will we see a wide selection of players to choose from.

I have even less concern for the future of digital sellers; they are a fixture on the home entertainment landscape. We won't see wholesale loss of titles as it would seriously undermine consumer confidence.

[cheez avenger]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I received a PM from a new forum member (completely unknown to me) that asks me if I would just give them the digital code that came with one of my blu-rays because it is a movie that they want to see.

People amaze me. I would NEVER randomly write to someone and ask them to give me their stuff. Does this happen to anyone else here?

Yup, used to happen to me until I posted a disclaimer to not ask me for digital copies of anything. It's been a couple of years now since someone asked me for one.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

That was a dumb comment. Home theater would be nothing without what it takes to play, stream, display and hear all forms of Home Video content. Take away the hardware and you got nothing at all. Of course you could always go back to books.

Well, at least it was a readable length, Mr. TLDR.

This thread is NOT about the future of home theater hardware. I know because I read the thread title again to be sure. There are multiple forums about the different types of home theater hardware on this website and seeing as you have always loved policing threads in an obsessive effort to keep them on topic, especially the Oppo 203/205 threads, try practicing what you have preached or surrender the pulpit. If you are allowed to venture into tangentially related topics, so can anyone else.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Vilya

All of the closed digital sellers have been replaced and entities like Movies Anywhere mitigates, somewhat, the risk of losing titles should another digital storefront close. Apple and Amazon seem unlikely to shutter their digital stores, but is it safe to trust that no more disc player manufacturers will call it quits?

You should note that Disneys Movies Anywhere still doesn't represent all, there are several non-participating studios such as Paramount, Lionsgate, and MGM that get to choose how you want your digital copy to be redeemed to. I choose iTunes over Vudu usually because they offer better bitrate performance from cloud.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Not to me. Especially with what I use the codes for!

You give a whole new meaning to waste not, want not.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Well, at least it was a readable length, Mr. TLDR.

This thread is NOT about the future of home theater hardware. I know because I read the thread title again to be sure. There are multiple forums about the different types of home theater hardware on this website and seeing as you have always loved policing threads in an obsessive effort to keep them on topic, especially the Oppo 203/205 threads, try practicing what you have preached or surrender the pulpit. If you are allowed to venture into tangentially related topics, so can anyone else.

As stated home video is not strictly software based. (streamed content, recorded content on various media) it also necessitates various hardware to receive, process, reproduce what you are watching. So yes without being fixated by a particular hardware you are curious to buy and need advice, we all contribute to the general home video trends as we see them.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

You should note that Disneys Movies Anywhere still doesn't represent all, there are several non-participating studios such as Paramount, Lionsgate, and MGM that get to choose how you want your digital copy to be redeemed to. I choose iTunes over Vudu usually because they offer better bitrate performance from cloud.

Which is what I meant when I said:

Originally Posted by Vilya

entities like Movies Anywhere mitigates, somewhat, the risk of losing titles should another digital storefront close.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

As stated home video is not strictly software based. (streamed content, recorded content on various media) it also necessitates various hardware to receive, process, reproduce what you are watching. So yes without being fixated by a particular hardware you are curious to buy and need advice, we all contribute to the general home video trends as we see them.

We all know that we need hardware to watch stuff. The thread topic is about the future of the stuff we watch, physical media and digitally distributed content, not the future of the equipment that we use to watch it. There are other forums for all of that.

In your own Oppo threads, you have sometimes squashed the discussions about physical media because your thread was about Oppo disc players and not the discs themselves.

This thread is about the future of home video. Hardware is a related topic and thus why I said:

Originally Posted by Vilya

Not that I mind the side foray into other topics at all; this one is tangentially related. Notice also that I did not poke fun at your mile-long CES posts.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

It’s the third time I brought it up because it will most likely happen by this decade.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Regardless, it’s 50/50 that carbon rationing is introduced. It’s either that or carbon tax. (Or both if we are really in trouble by 2026-27)

I seems like just moments ago the chance was 100%...and beginning this year, too:

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Data centre carbon caps will be enforced this year (by years end)

I wish I had your stamina to move goalposts so quickly and so often.

[Wendell R. Breland]

ATV4K users with HUD, posted the following at AVS. If you have Disney+ can you check Boba Fett

Have watched first five episodes of S2 of The Witcher and doing spot checks using the Netflix diagnostic display shows the bit stream rate around the 6.5 Mbps range. Running the Netflix server test shows around 230 Mbps (service is 300 Mbps). All done on a Nvidia Shield Pro 2019.

Via Netflix, checked The Witcher S2, E5 in UHD on the ATV4K and it showed around 7 Mbps. Checked El Fuente and it showed 12 Mbps on the overlay, about the same was showed on the ATV4K HUD.

The surprise, Boba Fett S1, E1 on Disney+, for UHD the bit rate was only around 5 Mbps. Network bandwidth showed around 130 Mbps.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I seems like just moments ago the chance was 100%...and beginning this year, too:



I wish I had your stamina to move goalposts so quickly and so often.

I’m not moving any goalposts. The end of this year is this decade.

‘Most likely’, by that I meant that a carbon rationing/credit system is the likely option of the two because taxes won’t stop people, it will just make it more expensive.

It is 50/50 because one or the other will be implemented. I just happen to think that the rationing is more likely of the TWO options.

But I did state it was a prediction in my first post. What isn’t a prediction is that one of these two controls will be implemented. Just better hope it’s the taxes.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I’m not moving any goalposts. The end of this year is this decade.

‘Most likely’, by that I meant that a carbon rationing/credit system is the likely option of the two because taxes won’t stop people, it will just make it more expensive.

It is 50/50 because one or the other will be implemented. I just happen to think that the rationing is more likely of the TWO options.

But I did state it was a prediction in my first post. What isn’t a prediction is that one of these two controls will be implemented. Just better hope it’s the taxes.

"Most likely" is not 100%. You said that this would happen with absolute certainty by the end of 2022. If your prediction fails to happen before January 1, 2023 then you will have been entirely, completely, and undeniably proven wrong.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Data centre carbon caps will be enforced this year (by years end)

While this decade does include this year, this year does not comprise the entirety of the decade.

You said that there was a 50/50 chance that "carbon rationing" would happen by 2026/27, which is also not 100% and also definitely not confined to happening this year as stated in your initial post that began all of this silly recycled conjecture. You called this a new prediction for 2022 and it is just a retreaded tire that you keep rolling out and that never had any traction to begin with.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Regardless, it’s 50/50 that carbon rationing is introduced. It’s either that or carbon tax. (Or both if we are really in trouble by 2026-27)

Your constantly shifting goalposts are the closest thing in all of existence to approximating perpetual motion.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

"Most likely" is not 100%. You said that this would happen with absolute certainty by the end of 2022.



While this decade does include this year, this year does not comprise the entirety of the decade.

You said that there was a 50/50 chance that "carbon rationing" would happen by 2026/27, which is also not 100% and also definitely not confined to happening this year as stated in your initial post that began all of this silly recycled conjecture. You called this a new prediction for 2022 and it is just a retreaded tire that you keep rolling out and that never had any traction to begin with.



Your constantly shifting goalposts are the closest thing in all of existence to approximating perpetual motion.

Carbon rationing has no traction?

Can you talk me through that before I address the other stuff?

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Carbon rationing has no traction?

Can you talk me through that before I address the other stuff?

Your regurgitated prediction has no traction. It's just your same old prediction with a date and probability assigned and then both reassigned and then both reassigned again in a matter of hours. A prediction as firm as a bowl of Jello stirred with a vibrator.

Nothing to see here and nothing to support a single word of any of it. It's just you being scared...again.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Your regurgitated prediction has no traction. Your same old prediction with a date and probability assigned and then both reassigned and then both reassigned again.

Nothing to see here and nothing to support a single word of any of it. It's just you being scared...again.

So you don’t believe a carbon ration will be applied to all individuals?

So by magic, we as a human race are all going to comply and lower our emissions, eat 60 % less meat, stop travelling as much and install solar, batteries and sign up to a Green energy tarif?

All by 2030? People don’t even want to give up burgers.