Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

it is not about reproducing anything, that is why I quoted penguin.

physically he can see better close up then far away which is why he prefers small and close to big and far. All I am saying is

1) the brain knows if the eyes are focusing on something small that is near compared to big and far so the experience is not the same even if the ratio is.

2) the eye (like a camera) focuses near or far (by distorting the cornea) that means that it also changes everything off the screen as well.

Have you ever compared 4x5 land photography samples to 35mm photography. You don't have to have a print that is poster size to see the detail enhancements with a given 8"x10"print. Your just trying to bolster your size matter argument.

For your reading
https://www.alexburkephoto.com/blog/...era-and-lenses

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

They wouldn’t have that choice, that’s what I’m saying. Only those that don’t drive would. 4.7 tonnes is a gigantic slice of the rations. Would there even be a market for Netflix, Disney, HBO if only 40% of a countries population could afford the carbon allowance? (It’s estimated that 40% of my country don’t drive)

Yes,your suggestion of electric cars is a very good one but that type of transformation isn’t going to happen for a long time. It’s the meantime I’m concerned about. We are at the very least 20 years away from a transition to mostly EV vehicles on the road.

Final,y, I didn’t mean any offence to you mentioning clean energy. I just say that because I’m aware the majority of the USA and U.K. are decades away from being 100% renewable at home.

I was not offended just wanted to be clear.

Now I thought about bringing electric cars but I did not.so I found it a bit funny. There are some places where cars can last a while but here the conditions mean that if you drive year round the car does not last very long. I might drive a car that is 12 years old but most people here change cars every few years because they don't want to drive rust buckets , and the pebles, sand,salt on the roads and the big diffwerence of temperature takes a toll on the road. It is not a matter of all or nothing but constantly taking baby steps, when I needed to replace my furnace (which used oil and electricity depending on the temperature) I went with only electricity.

And yes I know I am lucky to live in a place with 100% green electricity and there are other places where it is 100% from carbon sources. But even the most efficient gaz car creates more CO2 then an electric car using electricity from coal powerplant (the worst case scenario).

Electricity is looked at heavily because it is the "easiest" for big changes (everyone uses it every day and if you do move to an electric car how much CO2 is produced will depend on how green the electricity to run it is)

lastly I asked a simple question


It is 8pm Jan 2032 film, tv and gaming use carbon rations so you say they won't be doing that, so what are they doing that does not require any?

still waiting for the answer.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

I was not offended just wanted to be clear.

Now I thought about bringing electric cars but I did not.so I found it a bit funny. There are some places where cars can last a while but here the conditions mean that if you drive year round the car does not last very long. I might drive a car that is 12 years old but most people here change cars every few years because they don't want to drive rust buckets , and the pebles, sand,salt on the roads and the big diffwerence of temperature takes a toll on the road. It is not a matter of all or nothing but constantly taking baby steps, when I needed to replace my furnace (which used oil and electricity depending on the temperature) I went with only electricity.

And yes I know I am lucky to live in a place with 100% green electricity and there are other places where it is 100% from carbon sources. But even the most efficient gaz car creates more CO2 then an electric car using electricity from coal powerplant (the worst case scenario).

Electricity is looked at heavily because it is the "easiest" for big changes (everyone uses it every day and if you do move to an electric car how much CO2 is produced will depend on how green the electricity to run it is)

lastly I asked a simple question


It is 8pm Jan 2032 film, tv and gaming use carbon rations so you say they won't be doing that, so what are they doing that does not require any?

still waiting for the answer.

Social media on their smartphones? It uses 1000 times less carbon than watching a film or streaming Netflix on a large tv. It’s not that they wouldn’t have ANY rations, they would have an incredibly small amount.

On the plus side, I keep telling myself that the U.K. film and tv industry wouldn’t be spending hundreds of millions each on new production studios in this country this year and next (for British services like Sky TVif they thought that the U.K. population won’t have access to streaming and TV sets/broadcast in foreseeable future.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

IMHO we locally are so far ahead of what you are concerned about, that your stuck living in the past instead of being energy efficient. Stop worrying and switch out all that energy hog gear then maybe your power consumption will go way down. You might be able to pay that power bill a lot easier.

PS a electric car is not saving energy. Electric mass transit is.

I could do all this next week no problem. I could install solar with a battery, get a heat pump, insulate, the whole lot. But I would be in the 1% of the country. That leaves 50 million+ that won’t be getting renewable any time soon due to expense. Streaming and other forms of home entertainment need a audience. My ration scenario would put that in jeopardy for a big chunk of the population. Not just my country but ANY country that decides rationing is a better option than taxes.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

This big and far argument is mute when people master 4k/8K videos on smaller studio quality mastering monitors that likely exceeds your HT video quality no matter how large it is.

In edit, grading, mastering, etc. really large screens are not practical. Same for flatbed film editors. Large screens are/used to be used for proofing, screening, etc.

Most of the audio content is recorded, edited, sweetened, etc. in small rooms but the final re-recording is done on a dubbing stage.

In the early days of HD disc production some titles got released with sub-par video. The aberrations were not noticeable on the production size monitors but those with projectors complained right away. One of the reasons several of the JVC and Sony projectors are native true 4K projectors (4096 x 2160).

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

It is 8pm Jan 2032 film, tv and gaming use carbon rations so you say they won't be doing that, so what are they doing that does not require any?

still waiting for the answer.

Shadow puppet theater powered by moonlight.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I stick to my guns that a carbon rationing system brought in by country would mean film, tv and gaming would have to be abandoned.

You're nuts.

It costs $52 per year to operate my 85" TV. My average annual electric bill is running about $2100. My TV represents just 2.48% of my annual household electric consumption.

It costs $97 per year to operate my AVR making the combined cost of using my TV and my AVR $149 per year. Using both represents only 7.1% of my total annual household electric consumption.

If I want to, or if I ever have to, reduce my electricity consumption, meaningful savings won't come from curtailing my home theater usage. Savings will have to come from heating and cooling my home more efficiently; that's where the lion's share of home energy consumption lies.

It is also interesting to note that newer TVs are even more efficient than what I have. My Sony 85X900F costs $52 per year to operate while the 2021 Sony 85X95J costs only $39 to operate.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Shadow puppet theater powered by moonlight.



You're nuts.

It costs $52 per year to operate my 85" TV. My average annual electric bill is running about $2100. My TV represents just 2.48% of my annual household electric consumption.

It costs $97 per year to operate my AVR making the combined cost of using my TV and my AVR $149 per year. Using both represents only 7.1% of my total annual household electric consumption.

If I want to, or if I ever have to, reduce my electricity consumption, meaningful savings won't come from curtailing my home theater usage. Savings will have to come from heating and cooling my home more efficiently; that's where the lion's share of home energy consumption lies.

It is also interesting to note that newer TVs are even more efficient than what I have. My Sony 85X900F costs $52 per year to operate while the 2021 Sony 85X95J costs only $39 to operate.

I Understand this, but afaiaw, you don’t drive? 4.7 tonnes of carbon a year is a huge chunk of a speculative ration. I’m not talking about individual, I’m talking about the many in relation to consequences. Home entertainment needs a audience.
At the moment it has that audience, then some. If rationing was brought in, would it still have that audience? That’s my question.

Let’s say rationing is reduced slowly every year n line with government targets. We need to reduce carbon emissions by 68% by 2030. Let’s say, for the sake of argument, it’s brought in mid way through the decade (when it may look hopeless to reduce any other way, including taxes) let’s say it’s set at 5-6 tonnes of carbon per year (U.K. is currently around 10-12 tonnes per individual) and then has to come down every year. Heating is the next big problem at a average of 2.7 tonnes. Let’s assume most people can’t afford a 5-6,000 pound heat pump, there’s your rations gone already.

My question to you, Anthony, whoever, is where do we get the allowance to enjoy our favourite hobby?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

But at least I know it.

You actually believe the utter nonsense that you post.

Sorry, I thought that I deleted my post. I was going to quote that and add a funny comment but I got sidetracked!

By the way, I don’t believe it is nuts. Every country on the planet has that option should they choose to push it through.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I Understand this, but afaiaw, you don’t drive? 4.7 tonnes of carbon a year is a huge chunk of a speculative ration. I’m not talking about individual, I’m talking about the many in relation to consequences. Home entertainment needs a audience.
At the moment it has that audience, then some. If rationing was brought in, would it still have that audience? That’s my question.

Let’s say rationing is reduced slowly every year n line with government targets. We need to reduce carbon emissions by 68% by 2030. Let’s say, for the sake of argument, it’s brought in mid way through the decade (when it may look hopeless to reduce any other way, including taxes) let’s say it’s set at 5-6 tonnes of carbon per year (U.K. is currently around 10-12 tonnes per individual) and then has to come down every year. Heating is the next big problem at a average of 2.7 tonnes. Let’s assume most people can’t afford a 5-6,000 pound heat pump, there’s your rations gone already.

My question to you, Anthony, whoever, is where do we get the allowance to enjoy our favourite hobby?

I seldom drive, but I still have to leave my home for all of the same reasons that anyone does...except for work, of course, what with being retired.

The very fact that home video entertainment serves so many people is what makes it so worthwhile. It is an efficient use of resources in that it entertains the masses.

Put on an extra shirt. You can get your home theater viewing "allowance" by simply turning down your thermostat a degree or two.

"The Department of Energy estimates that if you perform setbacks for at least 8 hours, you can expect a 1% savings per 1 degree that the thermostat is lowered."

"When it comes to lowering the temperature permanently, a savings of 1%-3% per 1 degree can be expected."

Easy peezy.

http://cagleservice.com/does-turning...at-save-money/

https://www.energy.gov/energysaver/thermostats

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I seldom drive, but I still have to leave my home for all of the same reasons that anyone does...except for work, of course, what with being retired.

The very fact that home video entertainment serves so many people is what makes it so worthwhile. It is an efficient use of resources in that it entertains the masses.

Put on an extra shirt. You can get your home theater viewing "allowance" by simply turning down your thermostat a degree or two.

"The Department of Energy estimates that if you perform setbacks for at least 8 hours, you can expect a 1% savings per 1 degree that the thermostat is lowered."

"When it comes to lowering the temperature permanently, a savings of 1%-3% per 1 degree can be expected."

Easy peezy.

If only it was that simple. The real solution would be for people to cycle to work when living within 2-5 miles of their workplace. That’s never going to happen. People generally favour driving over a film or a little tv when it comes down to a choice imo.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

If only it was that simple. The real solution would be for people to cycle to work when living within 2-5 miles of their workplace. That’s never going to happen. People generally favour driving over a film or a little tv when it comes down to a choice imo.

It is that easy.

In these scenarios, I would only have to shave off 2.5% of my home energy usage to be able to use my jumbo TV and only 7.1% to use it along with my AVR for an entire year.

With that, I am going to conserve my energy. I have better uses for it than addressing your never-ending worries.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

It is that easy.

In these scenarios, I would only have to shave off 2.5% of my home energy usage to be able to use my jumbo TV and only 7.1% to use it along with my AVR for an entire year.

With that, I am going to conserve my energy. I have better uses for it than addressing your never-ending worries.

Yes, but you don’t have a 4.7 tonne transport whammy to deal with, 60% of the population would.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Yes, but you don’t have a 4.7 tonne transport whammy to deal with, 60% of the population would.

...16 tons and what do you get...

Tennessee Ernie Ford - Sixteen Tons (Live) - YouTube

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

...16 tons and what do you get...

Tennessee ernie Ford - 16 Tons - YouTube

But you see my point? Plus, many heating systems aren’t designed for temperatures to be set lower than 70 degrees. Go too low and it risks breaking the system.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

But you see my point? Plus, many heating systems aren’t designed for temperatures to be set lower than 70 degrees. Go too low and it risks breaking the system.

Never had one that I couldn't set below 70 degrees. I set mine below 70 whenever I am away from home.

In order to see your point, you would need to make one first.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Never had one that I couldn't set below 70 degrees. I set mine below 70 whenever I am away from home.

In order to see your point, you would need to make one first.

Permanently?

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Permanently?

Nah, I can still find my way home. I then adjust the temp to my desired comfort level.

But I have left my thermostat at 65 degrees for days at a time when away for extended periods without consequence.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Nah, I can still find my way home. I then adjust the temp to my desired comfort level.

But I have left my thermostat at 65 degrees for days at a time when away for extended periods without consequence.

I hope carbon rations won’t ever be brought in. No doubt it will haunt my nightmares.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I hope carbon rations won’t ever be brought in. No doubt it will haunt my nightmares.

What's the difference? You'll have nightmares regardless.

[gotmule]

Really intrigued by what I am reading about the show Gomorrah. Has anyone seen this show?


https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Gomor...lu-ray/297390/