Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by flyry

Not sure where you got those stats, but they seem pretty high to me.

https://www.riaa.com/u-s-sales-database/

I was off by a little bit. CD and Vinyl make up 21.8% of music sales in the United States. Plus, as Steedeel pointed out, most countries around the world have a higher percentage of physical media sales. And since everything is going region-free a release abroad is just a good as a domestic release.

Originally Posted by flyry

And you may not get older content from other consoles, but being offline with that you may miss out on PSN exclusives. IE the recent parappa remaster.

And if you are so anti streaming you are missing out on some great Originals on Netflix.

No reason one cannot support both, don't see why it is so black and white on here.

Supporting the digital-only titles will just lead to more digital-only titles. Which means those titles can disappear completely, especially in the case of video games. I care much more about having everything remain available in the future than having more titles now.

The fact that it's possible to miss out on digital-only titles is exactly the problem. With physical media no one can make any titles unavailable.

By the way, your example is not PSN exclusive.
http://www.play-asia.com/parappa-the...lish/13/70b1rt

[randian]

What the music studios are doing to lossless downloads is in some ways worse than DRM: audio (and audible) watermarking.

[Talal86]

Originally Posted by flyry

I sold a DVD on offerup(from rogue one) and I dropped it while I was at the donut shop and some guy turned around shocked "is that a CD!? Oh wow old school!".

Originally Posted by flyry

And if you are so anti streaming you are missing out on some great Originals on Netflix.

No reason one cannot support both, don't see why it is so black and white on here.

definitely

I like both physical and digital, I have +1000 blu rays and dvds, but when I look at my collection, there are so many movies that I know I won't watch again, sometimes I wish that I only own the best of the best, and watch everything else digitally.

letting go of blu rays is easier said than done.. but I'm getting there, my purchases slowed down a lot in the last year

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by flyry

You make some great points. Especially with the CD aspect. But as we know CD is as good as dead. Even moreso than movies.

I read a tweet from an artist this weekend that stated that his recently released album will be his last ever physical release since his album leaked early. Many cds are digital only these days even from artists as big as Kanye West.

I know physical movies will still be here for a long time, but I am also ready and do get some movies digitally. I'm more like 90-10 in favor of physical but if it ever went all digital I wouldn't be too upset.

And you can actually sort vudu by release date as well.

One thing I do not understand is why you all do not act like internet is pretty much a necessity for us all these days. We will all be connected for the rest of our lives. It's just odd to me that some of you post on a message board but refuse to connect your high end game consoles to the internet as if it will break them.

CD was as good as dead 15 years ago. yet it looks like it may outlast downloads, funny that!

By the way, your first paragraph suggests you think movies are nearly dead. Is that a typo? Did you mean Disc? You are wrong by the way lol.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You guys are right, Discs will be around for a while because not everyone has the proper set up or knowledge about Streaming. Even here on Blu-ray.com using Discs is becoming Archaic, no one wants to do it anymore. Like I said, I have my new Sony UHD TV and the Networking and Apps are amazing. You really don't need a Cable Provider anymore, you can Stream just about anything. All the Networks, Telco's, and Cable Companies are jumping on the Bandwagon. Streaming Video is the way of The Future, and you better jump onboard or get left in The Dust!

Depends how old you are. If you are in your 30's/40's it may be your future. If you are older disc probably isn't going away in your lifetime.

If you are so certain it will, let's have a wager? .

[flyry]

Originally Posted by PenguinMaster

https://www.riaa.com/u-s-sales-database/

I was off by a little bit. CD and Vinyl make up 21.8% of music sales in the United States. Plus, as Steedeel pointed out, most countries around the world have a higher percentage of physical media sales. And since everything is going region-free a release abroad is just a good as a domestic release.


Supporting the digital-only titles will just lead to more digital-only titles. Which means those titles can disappear completely, especially in the case of video games. I care much more about having everything remain available in the future than having more titles now.

The fact that it's possible to miss out on digital-only titles is exactly the problem. With physical media no one can make any titles unavailable.

By the way, your example is not PSN exclusive.
http://www.play-asia.com/parappa-the...lish/13/70b1rt

I don't really care about most countries. When I visited France and Italy in late 2015 they didn't even have Netflix yet so of course their physical media sales would be higher.

And you may have found parappa on there but you are missing my point entirely.

I will continue to somewhat support both. I will continue to redeem my ultraviolets to backup my collection as well occasionally do a mobile d2d or buy a title with vudu credits if it's not on Blu-ray yet just so I can have it in my digital locker in HD.

Though I suppose that may prove your point I am not willing to spend $13.99 on a digital only but would pay the $2-5 disc to digital.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

CD was as good as dead 15 years ago. yet it looks like it may outlast downloads, funny that!

By the way, your first paragraph suggests you think movies are nearly dead. Is that a typo? Did you mean Disc? You are wrong by the way lol.

Quit exaggerating. Yes we were in a post Napster world 15 years ago but most people were still buying CDs. Everyone bought The Eminem Show when I was in High School. and 50 cent and Outkast the following year. And Usher went Diamond the year after

Even I still bought CDs until about 06 even though I had an ipod (with one CD purchase in 2009 and one last year)

I even said in my post that you quoted that physical movies (DISCS) WILL still be around a long time, just for niche collectors and nerds like us. The younger crowd and most else think it's odd now. Even my parents stream and my dad is 70.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by flyry

I don't really care about most countries. When I visited France and Italy in late 2015 they didn't even have Netflix yet so of course their physical media sales would be higher.

And you may have found parappa on there but you are missing my point entirely.

I will continue to somewhat support both. I will continue to redeem my ultraviolets to backup my collection as well occasionally do a mobile d2d or buy a title with vudu credits if it's not on Blu-ray yet just so I can have it in my digital locker in HD.

Though I suppose that may prove your point I am not willing to spend $13.99 on a digital only but would pay the $2-5 disc to digital.


Quit exaggerating. Yes we were in a post Napster world 15 years ago but most people were still buying CDs. Everyone bought The Eminem Show when I was in High School. and 50 cent and Outkast the following year. And Usher went Diamond the year after

Even I still bought CDs until about 06 even though I had an ipod (with one CD purchase in 2009 and one last year)

I even said in my post that you quoted that physical movies (DISCS) WILL still be around a long time, just for niche collectors and nerds like us. The younger crowd and most else think it's odd now. Even my parents stream and my dad is 70.

The younger crowd love Snapchat, should we all join them, watching Snapchat stories and embarrass ourselves trying to be young again? I couldn't care less what the young think. My interest is film not who snogged who on Which Way is Essex or who the coolest One Direction star is.

[flyry]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

The younger crowd love Snapchat, should we all join them, watching Snapchat stories and embarrass ourselves trying to be young again? I couldn't care less what the young think. My interest is film not who snogged who on Which Way is Essex or who the coolest One Direction star is.

Not sure what any of this has to do with anything.

You keep saying random things like CD's were dead 15 years ago and when facts and numbers prove you wrong you start talking about snapchat!?

My interest is in film too but I'll take it how I can get it.

If I have to do a D2D to have the best current quality of A Simple Plan without importing a German copy with a foreign title then I'll take it how I can get it. Which in this case would be Vudu.

I'm not beholden to a single format like some of you

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by flyry

Even my parents stream and my dad is 70.

In my experience most people in their 60s and 70s stream. They grew up with only TV broadcasts and never got into collecting. Streaming subscriptions are just an evolution of TV broadcasts: they're happy with whatever happens to be available at the time.

Originally Posted by flyry

Though I suppose that may prove your point I am not willing to spend $13.99 on a digital only but would pay the $2-5 disc to digital.

That's the main reason that physical media remains. Most people stream but aren't willing to pay much. The majority of movies selling for more than $5 each are on physical media.

Originally Posted by flyry

If I have to do a D2D to have the best current quality of A Simple Plan without importing a German copy with a foreign title then I'll take it how I can get it. Which in this case would be Vudu.

What's wrong with a German copy? It's region-free and the movie is in English.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You guys are right, Discs will be around for a while because not everyone has the proper set up or knowledge about Streaming. Even here on Blu-ray.com using Discs is becoming Archaic, no one wants to do it anymore. Like I said, I have my new Sony UHD TV and the Networking and Apps are amazing. You really don't need a Cable Provider anymore, you can Stream just about anything. All the Networks, Telco's, and Cable Companies are jumping on the Bandwagon. Streaming Video is the way of The Future, and you better jump onboard or get left in The Dust!

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Depends how old you are. If you are in your 30's/40's it may be your future. If you are older disc probably isn't going away in your lifetime.

If you are so certain it will, let's have a wager? .

You're probably right, I'll lose on any type of a bet. I'm sure some people still have 78 Records, but do they play them anymore. The thing with Technology is it moves so fast, today you might think you have the latest, and by tomorrow it's Obsolete. Even I didn't think that Streaming Video was so readily available, until I got my new UHD TV and started going through some of the Apps. Now I realize why a Company like AT&T wants TWC, for the Content. We have been telling you guys this is a Connected World through the Internet, and Video Streaming will be at the Forefront.

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by alchav21

We have been telling you guys this is a Connected World through the Internet, and Video Streaming will be at the Forefront.

At it's best the internet connects everyone together and brings easy access to everything.

DRM does the opposite, it gives companies more control and allows them to remove access to anything in an instant.

[flyry]

Originally Posted by PenguinMaster

What's wrong with a German copy? It's region-free and the movie is in English.

Maybe that was a poor example, but if a title has is in HD on Vudu but has no bluray release (ie Hard Eight) I will get it as cheap as possible digitally. Either with credits or D2D.

Thought I have been burned twice recently after I bought it digitally a blu was announced.

But I don't like foreign titles on my blurays.

[zorbonaut]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

If you don't notice a difference between ITunes and Bluray that says more about your eyesight than anything else.

My eyesight is just fine-Thank you for your concern.

And I never claimed that iTunes was identical to Blu-Ray. I just don't consider it "lowering may standards" as you claim.

ITunes copies are in HD and that is enough for me. Once again, I'm a film lover not a format lover.

You obviously care more about format than you do film. I enjoy my Blu-Ray collection but I'm not collecting for the pure sake of collecting. I am purchasing films in multiple formats based on things like interest, price and portability.

But my HDX and iTunes copy of Rogue One for instance, are just as fun to watch on the big screen in this format as it is on Blu-Ray.

[zorbonaut]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

The younger crowd love Snapchat, should we all join them, watching Snapchat stories and embarrass ourselves trying to be young again? I couldn't care less what the young think. My interest is film not who snogged who on Which Way is Essex or who the coolest One Direction star is.

My 55 year old boss uses snapchat. How is that an embarrassment?

Your logic sometimes

[ThatOneGuy]

I just buy/watch films the easiest way possible by digital, streaming, or physical.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by flyry

Not sure what any of this has to do with anything.

You keep saying random things like CD's were dead 15 years ago and when facts and numbers prove you wrong you start talking about snapchat!?

My interest is in film too but I'll take it how I can get it.

If I have to do a D2D to have the best current quality of A Simple Plan without importing a German copy with a foreign title then I'll take it how I can get it. Which in this case would be Vudu.

I'm not beholden to a single format like some of you

You keep mentioning what the younger crowd think. I couldn't care less what they think.

The point about CDs is you lot sound like those bloggers from 15 years ago declaring optical media dead. I tell you what is dead, those digital downloads that were supposed to be the future for the music industry.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by zorbonaut

My 55 year old boss uses snapchat. How is that an embarrassment?

Your logic sometimes

I would find that embarrassing. It's for the young folk. They don't want us oldies using it. That's what Facebook is for.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by zorbonaut

My eyesight is just fine-Thank you for your concern.

And I never claimed that iTunes was identical to Blu-Ray. I just don't consider it "lowering may standards" as you claim.

ITunes copies are in HD and that is enough for me. Once again, I'm a film lover not a format lover.

You obviously care more about format than you do film. I enjoy my Blu-Ray collection but I'm not collecting for the pure sake of collecting. I am purchasing films in multiple formats based on things like interest, price and portability.

But my HDX and iTunes copy of Rogue One for instance, are just as fun to watch on the big screen in this format as it is on Blu-Ray.

No, I care about the best quality. I do watch films by other means but I wouldn't want to keep them. This same tired argument always gets put out there. I have Sky tv for any rentals I need that are not on Bluray. I can normally get hold of most Blurays I want by buying from other countries.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You're probably right, I'll lose on any type of a bet. I'm sure some people still have 78 Records, but do they play them anymore. The thing with Technology is it moves so fast, today you might think you have the latest, and by tomorrow it's Obsolete. Even I didn't think that Streaming Video was so readily available, until I got my new UHD TV and started going through some of the Apps. Now I realize why a Company like AT&T wants TWC, for the Content. We have been telling you guys this is a Connected World through the Internet, and Video Streaming will be at the Forefront.

We tell you we know it is. I read about tech, I know about tech. I'm not stupid. My argument is about Bluray versus Digital HD.

Progress yo me means better quality. VHS-Laserdisc-DVD-Bluray-UHD Bluray.

Digital HD is a step backwards.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You're probably right, I'll lose on any type of a bet. I'm sure some people still have 78 Records, but do they play them anymore. The thing with Technology is it moves so fast, today you might think you have the latest, and by tomorrow it's Obsolete. Even I didn't think that Streaming Video was so readily available, until I got my new UHD TV and started going through some of the Apps. Now I realize why a Company like AT&T wants TWC, for the Content. We have been telling you guys this is a Connected World through the Internet, and Video Streaming will be at the Forefront.

Sure glad I keep hold of my vinyl.