Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[flyry]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

You keep mentioning what the younger crowd think. I couldn't care less what they think.

The point about CDs is you lot sound like those bloggers from 15 years ago declaring optical media dead. I tell you what is dead, those digital downloads that were supposed to be the future for the music industry.

It's not just younger people it's people in general. Whether its my 44 year old brother in law or my mother or father etc everyone is streaming but us small group of collectors

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by flyry

It's not just younger people it's people in general. Whether its my 44 year old brother in law or my mother or father etc everyone is streaming but us small group of collectors

Again, streaming can mean Netflix which is basically a tv channel for the modern age. The discussion is mostly Digital HD versus Bluray. How many of your family/friends collect Digital,HD in any numbers?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by flyry

It's not just younger people it's people in general. Whether its my 44 year old brother in law or my mother or father etc everyone is streaming but us small group of collectors

Everyone? More sweeping statements that are simply not true. Millions still buy DVD. Millions still get by on broadcast. Millions still collect Bluray. Millions still watch cable/Sat.

[PenguinMaster]

Streaming is just replacing broadcast and cable TV as the primary way to view entertainment. People who care about buying and keeping movies will continue to do so primarily with physical media. Age isn't the main factor in either case.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by PenguinMaster

Streaming is just replacing broadcast and cable TV as the primary way to view entertainment. People who care about buying and keeping movies will continue to do so primarily with physical media. Age isn't the main factor in either case.

Well said. I really am done here now. Sick of my own voice so to speak lol.

Disc forever. Keep the faith.

[ThatOneGuy]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Well said. I really am done here now. Sick of my own voice so to speak lol.

Disc forever. Keep the faith.

Would agree with that last part if I was able to get any film on disk easily.

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by John Klein

Would agree with that last part if I was able to get any film on disk easily.

The only reason you can't is because of all the people supporting digital instead.

[ThatOneGuy]

Originally Posted by PenguinMaster

The only reason you can't is because of all the people supporting digital instead.

No, it is because some studios don't license films to others or buys up films to release them here.

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by John Klein

No, it is because some studios don't license films to others or buys up films to release them here.

I don't know what you mean by that, please explain and give examples.

Any movie or TV show that makes way more money on physical media than digital is guaranteed to get a physical release regardless of who owns the rights. No studio is going to ignore that big of income source. Therefore the only titles that don't get physical releases are the types of movies and TV shows that sell poorly on physical media because people are streaming instead.

[ThatOneGuy]

Here are digital films I own because either they are not available here on physical formats, they are only available on DVD while the digital is in HD, or on BD-R format (usually just DVD quality and usually expensive).



A lot of foreign films and LGBT focused films are not available or easily available on physical media in the states, usually LGBT are only on DVD. I have tons more in my VUDU wishlist waiting to be purchased too.

[PenguinMaster]

Many titles don't get Blu-ray releases because there isn't enough support for Blu-ray. If all the people who were buying digital were buying Blu-ray instead than everything would get a Blu-ray release. The customers supporting digital releases are just as much to blame as the studios putting out digital releases.

If you buy something digital because it's not on Blu-ray then you're just adding to the problem and ensuring more titles will be digital-only.

[flyry]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Again, streaming can mean Netflix which is basically a tv channel for the modern age. The discussion is mostly Digital HD versus Bluray. How many of your family/friends collect Digital,HD in any numbers?

My sister/ brother in law blind buy multiple flicks every Tuesday on Vudu. My mother does too on Amazon. Even though they would save money by waiting a few weeks because they are on Ultraviolet and would see them anyway when I redeem the code that comes with my pre-orders.

[ThatOneGuy]

Originally Posted by PenguinMaster

Many titles don't get Blu-ray releases because there isn't enough support for Blu-ray. If all the people who were buying digital were buying Blu-ray instead than everything would get a Blu-ray release.

That isn't true at all, that is all just speculation.

On Kickstarter, a lot of those fan funded films only offer DVD as a physical format or sometimes Blu-Ray just for the people who funded it... and usually for around $35 or even higher.

Also just in case you think I'm a supporter of digital:

Originally Posted by John Klein

I just buy/watch films the easiest way possible by digital, streaming, or physical.

If a physical copy comes with a digital copy, I'll definitely buy the physical copy. Main reason why my VUDU has 100+ movies in it.

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by John Klein

That isn't true at all, that is all just speculation.

On Kickstarter, a lot of those fan funded films only offer DVD as a physical format or sometimes Blu-Ray just for the people who funded it... and usually for around $35 or even higher.

That's because of Blu-ray's overall lack of popularity, especially for certain types of movies and TV shows. If they don't think that Blu-ray is going to sell then they won't offer it.

Originally Posted by John Klein

Also just in case you think I'm a supporter of digital: I just buy/watch films the easiest way possible by digital, streaming, or physical.

That makes you a digital supporter for everything that's easier to watch on digital.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You're probably right, I'll lose on any type of a bet. I'm sure some people still have 78 Records, but do they play them anymore. The thing with Technology is it moves so fast, today you might think you have the latest, and by tomorrow it's Obsolete. Even I didn't think that Streaming Video was so readily available, until I got my new UHD TV and started going through some of the Apps. Now I realize why a Company like AT&T wants TWC, for the Content. We have been telling you guys this is a Connected World through the Internet, and Video Streaming will be at the Forefront.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

We tell you we know it is. I read about tech, I know about tech. I'm not stupid. My argument is about Bluray versus Digital HD.

Progress yo me means better quality. VHS-Laserdisc-DVD-Bluray-UHD Bluray.

Digital HD is a step backwards.

There's where you are wrong, you love to put down Digital HD when you don't even have the best set up. Now I have a Sony UHD TV with plenty of Bandwidth to get Beautiful 1080P and 4k Streaming, and it matches Blu-ray Disc with no problem. As for Sound, I usually use my Optical Sony Headset and the Sound is Outstanding. So put that Digital HD argument to rest, because the Quality is there if you have the right set up. Maybe you can jump on with Penguin and his Control Issues, or go back to your Little Kid Stuff!

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by alchav21

There's where you are wrong, you love to put down Digital HD when you don't even have the best set up. Now I have a Sony UHD TV with plenty of Bandwidth to get Beautiful 1080P and 4k Streaming, and it matches Blu-ray Disc with no problem.

It's not an impressive feat for digital to match an 11 year old physical format. Does it match Ultra HD Blu-ray?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

There's where you are wrong, you love to put down Digital HD when you don't even have the best set up. Now I have a Sony UHD TV with plenty of Bandwidth to get Beautiful 1080P and 4k Streaming, and it matches Blu-ray Disc with no problem. As for Sound, I usually use my Optical Sony Headset and the Sound is Outstanding. So put that Digital HD argument to rest, because the Quality is there if you have the right set up. Maybe you can jump on with Penguin and his Control Issues, or go back to your Little Kid Stuff!

yeah, no. Audio is not a match either. Sorry.

Right, I get dragged back in. I'm done for now.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by PenguinMaster

Does it match Ultra HD Blu-ray?

No but it will in a few years time when 8K disc is around. Give it 20 years and it may match 8K disc. Always playing catch up, trailing behind.

[ThatOneGuy]

Originally Posted by PenguinMaster

That makes you a digital supporter for everything that's easier to watch on digital.

If you see it that way. Doesn't mean I don't put physical releases ahead of digital when I'm presented the two as a choice.

I'm a fan of film, the film is more important to me then the format I can get them on except DVD since DVD isn't HD.

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by John Klein

If you see it that way. Doesn't mean I don't put physical releases ahead of digital when I'm presented the two as a choice.

I appreciate that but it doesn't excuse your support for digital.

Originally Posted by John Klein

I'm a fan of film, the film is more important to me then the format I can get them on except DVD since DVD isn't HD.

Buying films digitally just means many of those films won't be available at all in the future. It's far more likely to happen with indie films. Many of the small film companies will fail and no one will be able to offer any of their movies digitally.

Discs can still be watched and resold even if the company who owns the rights doesn't exist anymore.