Disney+'s - Loki (Season 2)

[cheez avenger]

Originally Posted by mwynn

Did you really? Sure lets go down the rabbit hole. I have like 20 minutes.

How far should someone dig into other movies referenced in movies. Does one need to see Jaws to watch Deep Blue Sea?

Brazil. One f-ing movie. That's it. You're under the assumption that I'm against the show. I'm not. I enjoyed it and I said that already. It's just that it's an obvious lift from Brazil. Oh, I see, I hurt your MCU sensibilities. Got it.

Either you watch Brazil or you don't, which is my point, that a lot of MCU fans have not seen, let alone, heard of Brazil. They won't get the obvious. The most obvious being the actual production design, Dutch angles, and German Expressionism found in Brazil. There's homage, then there's mise en scene and there are things in Loki that go way past a simple homage. It's as if the director said "I'm going to shoot Loki like Terry Gilliam would." Literally.

The Loki show is "Gilliamesque."

[JJLong]

Originally Posted by mwynn

Sounds like it is not for you and should be avoided at all cost if it is affecting you so much. Good luck avoiding it.

Apparently the wrong tone came across in my previous post because it isn't really affecting me.

You brought up the Fox and their comic book movies, and I was responding more to how a statement like that doesn't really have any weight to it.

The MCU dominates discussion and I think the comparisons to other well received movies and criticisms of the MCU are worth discussing because of that weight it has.

And despite how it might seem, my criticisms are coming from a place of wanting to see something that I would consider to be better from the MCU.

Other responses to me make it seems as if we should just settle for what we are getting instead of critiquing it or hoping for more.

[Rodney-2187]

I’m so ready for the second episode.

[cheez avenger]

Originally Posted by mwynn

You are going down the wrong path. My 20 minutes are up, good talk.

Troll.

[mwynn]

Originally Posted by JJLong

Apparently the wrong tone came across in my previous post because it isn't really affecting me.

You brought up the Fox and their comic book movies, and I was responding more to how a statement like that doesn't really have any weight to it.

The MCU dominates discussion and I think the comparisons to other well received movies and criticisms of the MCU are worth discussing because of that weight it has.

And despite how it might seem, my criticisms are coming from a place of wanting to see something that I would consider to be better from the MCU.

Other responses to me make it seems as if we should just settle for what we are getting instead of critiquing it or hoping for more.

I want to say that this conversation has happened before. If you would be so inclined please point out where someone told you not to critique anything.

[mwynn]

Originally Posted by Rodney-2187

I’m so ready for the second episode.

Indeed. I want to see the rest of the Loki's.

[isolar801]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

Brazil. One f-ing movie. That's it. You're under the assumption that I'm against the show. I'm not. I enjoyed it and I said that already. It's just that it's an obvious lift from Brazil. Oh, I see, I hurt your MCU sensibilities. Got it.

Either you watch Brazil or you don't, which is my point, that a lot of MCU fans have not seen, let alone, heard of Brazil. They won't get the obvious. The most obvious being the actual production design, Dutch angles, and German Expressionism found in Brazil. There's homage, then there's mise en scene and there are things in Loki that go way past a simple homage. It's as if the director said "I'm going to shoot Loki like Terry Gilliam would." Literally.

The Loki show is "Gilliamesque."

I would love to see the 'Tideland" version of Loki.
Loki could keep Odin's corpse around beyond putrefaction and so on..

Better yet....Marvel should let David Lynch do one of their projects, but keep it down to earth.....Loki could ride his garden tractor to go see his brother Thor in "The Straight Loki Story"

[mwynn]

Is that a picture of Nightmare on the gum?

[cheez avenger]

Originally Posted by isolar801

I would love to see the 'Tideland" version of Loki.
Loki could keep Odin's corpse around beyond putrefaction and so on..

Better yet....Marvel should let David Lynch do one of their projects, but keep it down to earth.....Loki could ride his garden tractor to go see his brother Thor in "The Straight Loki Story"

That would be epic!

[JJLong]

Originally Posted by mwynn

I want to say that this conversation has happened before. If you would be so inclined please point out where someone told you not to critique anything.

I mean, that isn't what I said. I used the word "settle" for a reason. I never said someone told me not to critique something.

And I am specifically thinking about this here:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...6#post18999426

To your second point, we're not going to see Academy award winning performances because...well we don't need to.

[mwynn]

Originally Posted by JJLong

I mean, that isn't what I said. I used the word "settle" for a reason. I never said someone told me not to critique something.

And I am specifically thinking about this here:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...6#post18999426

You stated your opinion and he stated his. Opinions vary and all that.

[isolar801]

Now let me get this straight....this TVA that was founded by 3 ancient aliens (origins unknown) whose visages are behind the judge....and who have this huge, bad CGI city for some reason...give their agents little Flea Bomb canisters that wipe out entire timelines? Because those timelines went astray? Really ? Now, does this wipe out everything in the general vicinity or like....everything ? What the hell were these Loki writers smoking?

[JJLong]

Originally Posted by mwynn

You stated your opinion and he stated his. Opinions vary and all that.

I don't get what you are getting at. People should be able to disagree and then have a discussion about those disagreements.

I find that far more interesting than any sort of speculation about what possible MCU cameos might be in the show. I think Wandavision showed that kind of speculation is likely going to go nowhere.

[mwynn]

Originally Posted by JJLong

I don't get what you are getting at. People should be able to disagree and then have a discussion about those disagreements.

I find that far more interesting than any sort of speculation about what possible MCU cameos might be in the show. I think Wandavision showed that kind of speculation is likely going to go nowhere.

You post about what you want to post about, I will post about what I want to post about. Cool?

[isolar801]

Originally Posted by mwynn

You post about what you want to post about, I will post about what I want to post about. Cool?

I guess its cool...I've been doing that and causing mild heart attacks.
Thanks for the permission though, glad I have your approval !

[mwynn]

Mobius is drinking Josta. Which I having a hard time recalling if I ever drank one. Anyone ever have one of these?

[donutbat]

I thought the first episode was just okay. It didn't leave me intrigued like WV or hooked like F&WS.

One thing that bothers me:

[Show spoiler]why didn't the TVA go after Steve for messing with the timeline? Or are those his various version's stones in the drawer?

I'm interested in seeing where this all goes, but for me, it's was just an okay start.

[Sawasdee1983]

Originally Posted by donutbat

I thought the first episode was just okay. It didn't leave me intrigued like WV or hooked like F&WS.

One thing that bothers me:

[Show spoiler]why didn't the TVA go after Steve for messing with the timeline? Or are those his various version's stones in the drawer?

I'm interested in seeing where this all goes, but for me, it's was just an okay start.

In the episode one of the judge said

[Show spoiler]thats because it was supose to happen

[SilverFox84]

Originally Posted by BluBonnet

Honestly, compared to the average movie from the Golden Age of Hollywood (or even most major movies being made in other countries today), almost everything the studios make is arguably a horrible movie.

That doesn't mean they can't be fun in a dumb sort of way, just as some people can have a fun time watching some awful television program.

But the movies you mention as example don't seem particularly awful as far as what tends to come out of Hollywood these days... rather it seems that certain movies get a lot more criticisms just because some people don't like the actors who were cast - purely and simply.

Like I said, one could argue that 95+% of movies coming out of Hollywood these days are garbage and they don't merit a lot of close, detailed analysis. But they can still be fun, especially if you happen to like the IP, the characters, or even the talent involved. It's bad that Hollywood has given up trying to make better movies, sure, but they don't care at all so long as the garbage they release to theaters makes a nice profit.

I completely agree, but when you have the likes of CaseyBear spamming the **** out of the WW1984 because "How dare you speak ill of my favorite movie" I believe that's just as trolling as the flip side of the coin. No movie is 0% even Plan 9 from Outer Space has a rubbish charm that you can enjoy. But at the same time no movie 100% and every movie has it's flaws.

[Foggy]

Brazil came to mind whilst watching it but it didn’t strike me as being particularly Gilliam-esque. It might be because Marvel films are more glossy by nature where as Gilliam’s more handcrafted vibes feel often time roughed. Or it might just be that Loki is using the bureaucratic setting as a quirky backdrop for it’s world whilst endless red tape and oppressive authority was the absolute forefront of Brazil.

And I mean, if you’re going to attack Loki for doing Brazil, then you have to also go after Brazil for doing Orwell and Kafka. Influences are just passed down over time and distilled into other work, nothing’s fully original anymore, only the directions you take and the things you do with established concepts.