Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by darkknightman

This is just a fallacy. I love movies and love going to the cinema. I just don't feel the need to own everything anymore. Criticizing people for the way they choose to consume media is insulting. I too previously amassed collections of films since the VHS days and have simply grown tired of it. I find the convenience of streaming and digital ownership to be more convenient. It isn't because I am lazy or like films any less than you do. I personally have found that collecting anything just isn't worth the energy. It seems to be more of a pseudo hoarding thing.

It's par for the course in any versus discussion. No one has been killed here.

[squatting hen]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

But this is about collectors. The people you mentioned aren't big enough movie fans. If they were, they wouldn't be waiting months end months to see the latest films (outside the cinema) we have always been the minority who care about quality and are so passionate about movies. The general population are happy to zoink out with Netflix or Hulu after work.

I completely disagree here. Just because someone doesn't purchase movies, doesn't mean they are not a "big enough movie" fan. Maybe they have other priorities, other financial obligations, or they feel that is pointless to own something they only watch once. Doesn't make them not a fan.

I love baseball and my home team, but I don't go to the games. I am able to watch some when they are on, and am a huge fan. Based on your movie analogy, I would not be considered a big enough fan.

I remember buying VHS tapes when you could first by VHS tapes. It was awesome. I probably watched the same move more than 20 times. Today though, there is no way for me to even watch half of what I want. There is so much more content out there now, and it is accessible easily, (through streaming) that I can't keep up.

Now, if I lived rent free with no family, job, or life obligations, I could get though a lot more of my watch list. I guess that makes me a mediocre fan.

[WOODMO]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

But this is about collectors. The people you mentioned aren't big enough movie fans. If they were, they wouldn't be waiting months end months to see the latest films (outside the cinema) we have always been the minority who care about quality and are so passionate about movies. The general population are happy to zoink out with Netflix or Hulu after work.

That's not always true though. I know more people who use Kodi, than regularly buy media, so they are seeing what they really want to see when they really want to see it, either through Kodi or in the cinema.

As someone who is building a digital library, I am self aware of the fact that I will likely never have a chance to re-watch many of these films that I own with the new stuff I watch.

I mean, luckily I pay $2-$5 for each of them, so I figure even one watch and a perusing of extra content is worth while since it's a rental cost which isn't a huge deal. But I'd never judge someone for realizing there is no need to own anything today.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by WOODMO

That's not always true though. I know more people who use Kodi, than regularly buy media, so they are seeing what they really want to see when they really want to see it, either through Kodi or in the cinema.

As someone who is building a digital library, I am self aware of the fact that I will likely never have a chance to re-watch many of these films that I own with the new stuff I watch.

I mean, luckily I pay $2-$5 for each of them, so I figure even one watch and a perusing of extra content is worth while since it's a rental cost which isn't a huge deal. But I'd never judge someone for realizing there is no need to own anything today.

You find a way if it's something you truly love. There will always be illegal downloaders, indeed Kodi (or rather software ran through Kodi illegally) is at the centre of a few lawsuits in the UK at the moment I hear. That needs to be stamped out.

[Socko]

I am a vivid collector of anything movie related.
I used to buy big boxsets with lots of stuff that comes with the movies
I have realized I went from big boxes to blurays with lots of extras and bonus discs to steelbooks to blurays that have extras. The funny thing is. I hardly watch anything. No time, but I keep on collecting.

What's wrong with me!

I can see myself go fully digital one day.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by squatting hen

I completely disagree here. Just because someone doesn't purchase movies, doesn't mean they are not a "big enough movie" fan. Maybe they have other priorities, other financial obligations, or they feel that is pointless to own something they only watch once. Doesn't make them not a fan.

I love baseball and my home team, but I don't go to the games. I am able to watch some when they are on, and am a huge fan. Based on your movie analogy, I would not be considered a big enough fan.

I remember buying VHS tapes when you could first by VHS tapes. It was awesome. I probably watched the same move more than 20 times. Today though, there is no way for me to even watch half of what I want. There is so much more content out there now, and it is accessible easily, (through streaming) that I can't keep up.

Now, if I lived rent free with no family, job, or life obligations, I could get though a lot more of my watch list. I guess that makes me a mediocre fan.

If people are skint fair enough but why don't folk just say that instead of justifying it with a load of crap?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Socko

I am a vivid collector of anything movie related.
I used to buy big boxsets with lots of stuff that comes with the movies
I have realized I went from big boxes to blurays with lots of extras and bonus discs to steelbooks to blurays that have extras. The funny thing is. I hardly watch anything. No time, but I keep on collecting.

What's wrong with me!

I can see myself go fully digital one day.

Won't be yours anymore if you do that. You will be at the mercy of forced ads, or whatever scheme they bring in to try to squeeze some money out of you. Only with disc do you truly have free access to that title.

[WOODMO]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

You find a way if it's something you truly love. There will always be illegal downloaders, indeed Kodi (or rather software ran through Kodi illegally) is at the centre of a few lawsuits in the UK at the moment I hear. That needs to be stamped out.

I won't be echoing your sentiments on Kodi, as I use it myself.

As for the point of finding a way if you truly love something. How many things do we truly love movie wise? Does anyone love 200 movies? I have a Digital Collection of around 200 as we speak and I like them, but do I truly love them?

Using your exact wording and premise, people can find time to watch their 10 absolute favorite movies, so owning those are a necessity. But for most of us, our collections are in the hundreds and that is a bit crazy. I wouldn't say someone isn't a fan of movies to not do what I do, they would just be totally devoid of hoarder tendencies.

[zodwriter]

Originally Posted by PenguinMaster

Many titles don't get Blu-ray releases because there isn't enough support for Blu-ray. If all the people who were buying digital were buying Blu-ray instead than everything would get a Blu-ray release. The customers supporting digital releases are just as much to blame as the studios putting out digital releases.

If you buy something digital because it's not on Blu-ray then you're just adding to the problem and ensuring more titles will be digital-only.

Hahaha! You can't have it both ways. For endless pages in this thread you and others have gone on and on about how Blu Ray is the dominant format and that digital is on the decline. Yet you say here that digital is to blame for these smaller titles not getting a Blu Ray release? Which is it? If streaming is just a small fish in the pond it should be the other way around.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by WOODMO

I won't be echoing your sentiments on Kodi, as I use it myself.

As for the point of finding a way if you truly love something. How many things do we truly love movie wise? Does anyone love 200 movies? I have a Digital Collection of around 200 as we speak and I like them, but do I truly love them?

Using your exact wording and premise, people can find time to watch their 10 absolute favorite movies, so owning those are a necessity. But for most of us, our collections are in the hundreds and that is a bit crazy. I wouldn't say someone isn't a fan of movies to not do what I do, they would just be totally devoid of hoarder tendencies.

Use it (Kodi) yourself for?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by WOODMO

I won't be echoing your sentiments on Kodi, as I use it myself.

As for the point of finding a way if you truly love something. How many things do we truly love movie wise? Does anyone love 200 movies? I have a Digital Collection of around 200 as we speak and I like them, but do I truly love them?

Using your exact wording and premise, people can find time to watch their 10 absolute favorite movies, so owning those are a necessity. But for most of us, our collections are in the hundreds and that is a bit crazy. I wouldn't say someone isn't a fan of movies to not do what I do, they would just be totally devoid of hoarder tendencies.

Hoarder makes it sound like discs scattered everywhere. I have a black cabinet with very neatly stored discs. It looks immaculate. I watch films on repeat quite a lot, especially around holidays.

[Dustin44]

I know I was a big collector of DVD's and Blu-Ray's. But I realized a lot of stuff I wasn't re-watching and these movies were taking up a lot of space. Once I learned that you could D2D a movie on Vudu for $1. I converted a lot of my movies to digital; then I sold off a bunch of my physical collection.

I still have around 300 movies on Blu-Ray and maybe 200 on DVD though. I kept my favorite movies and movies that I couldn't convert to D2D. And I kept some Blu-ray's/DVD's just for nostalgic purposes. (Most are common movies anyway that I wouldn't be able to sell for much of anything)

I still buy Blu-ray's and DVD's, but not nearly like before. I used to buy multiple Blu-ray's each month. But now, so far this year, I have only bought 2 blu-rays.

I like physical discs, but I was running out of room to store stuff, and some I pretty much never re-watched. Now, the movies I have left are all stored on two large bookshelves, where before stuff was everywhere. So, like I said, I did D2D for most of my collection and then got rid of the discs. So if I want to re-watch something I can just watch it on Vudu, and I don't have all these discs taking up space.

I do find myself now rarely touching my physical collection though. Even if I have the Blu-Ray disc of a movie, I usually just watch it on Vudu anyway. The only reason I pull out the Blu/DVD of a movie to watch is if I don't own it on Vudu.

[WOODMO]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Hoarder makes it sound like discs scattered everywhere. I have a black cabinet with very neatly stored discs. It looks immaculate. I watch films on repeat quite a lot, especially around holidays.

I never said you, I am focusing entirely on my own collection. I do not truly love 200 plus movies I own digitally, so I own things that using your logic I will never find the time to watch since I do not truly love all of them. That is kind of nuts and again, I am only judging my own habits, nobody else's. My physical collection before I started selling was around 1,000, again, totally nuts and it doesn't make me a bigger movie fan than someone else, it just makes me more completion and compulsive.

I will agree if someone doesn't own their absolute top 10 movies in some capacity they aren't true film fans to the level we are, but if you are going to say that about people for not owning hundreds I will totally disagree.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by WOODMO

I won't be echoing your sentiments on Kodi, as I use it myself.

As for the point of finding a way if you truly love something. How many things do we truly love movie wise? Does anyone love 200 movies? I have a Digital Collection of around 200 as we speak and I like them, but do I truly love them?

Using your exact wording and premise, people can find time to watch their 10 absolute favorite movies, so owning those are a necessity. But for most of us, our collections are in the hundreds and that is a bit crazy. I wouldn't say someone isn't a fan of movies to not do what I do, they would just be totally devoid of hoarder tendencies.

Yep, do you want me to list them? I love a great amount of movies. I find your post odd. Of course we love them, why else would we buy them? Some people love music, I love film.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

If you are going to quote articles, let's get the facts straight. DVD was down, not Bluray. Straight away, in my opinion, the article loses all credibility.
Next, it's the old routine of throwing Netflix and Amazon in there to boost the figures. Take away those numbers and Digital HD is struggling. Even more so now, with Digital HD sales slumping to single digits at the end of the year. There is a reason the industry is panicking and looking for another alternative to Ultravilot in my opinion.

If you want to be condescending towards me about one particular post at least reference the debate as a whole. The debate was including both DVDs and Blu-Ray. Nothing you said furthered either sides point about how rentals/streaming/digital kills film studios. But thanks.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by WOODMO

I never said you, I am focusing entirely on my own collection. I do not truly love 200 plus movies I own digitally, so I own things that using your logic I will never find the time to watch since I do not truly love all of them. That is kind of nuts and again, I am only judging my own habits, nobody else's. My physical collection before I started selling was around 1,000, again, totally nuts and it doesn't make me a bigger movie fan than someone else, it just makes me more completion and compulsive.

I will agree if someone doesn't own their absolute top 10 movies in some capacity they aren't true film fans to the level we are, but if you are going to say that about people for not owning hundreds I will totally disagree.

You, like many before you, are presuming that people with collections in the hundreds don't rewatch them. I'm saying to you, that is completely false.

[WOODMO]

Originally Posted by Dustin44

I know I was a big collector of DVD's and Blu-Ray's. But I realized a lot of stuff I wasn't re-watching and these movies were taking up a lot of space. Once I learned that you could D2D a movie on Vudu for $1. I converted a lot of my movies to digital; then I sold off a bunch of my physical collection.

I still have around 300 movies on Blu-Ray and maybe 200 on DVD though. I kept my favorite movies and movies that I couldn't convert to D2D. And I kept some Blu-ray's/DVD's just for nostalgic purposes. (Most are common movies anyway that I wouldn't be able to sell for much of anything)

I still buy Blu-ray's and DVD's, but not nearly like before. I used to buy multiple Blu-ray's each month. But now, so far this year, I have only bought 2 blu-rays.

I like physical discs, but I was running out of room to store stuff, and some I pretty much never re-watched. Now, the movies I have left are all stored on two large bookshelves, where before stuff was everywhere. So, like I said, I did D2D for most of my collection and then got rid of the discs. So if I want to re-watch something I can just watch it on Vudu, and I don't have all these discs taking up space.

I do find myself now rarely touching my physical collection though. Even if I have the Blu-Ray disc of a movie, I usually just watch it on Vudu anyway. The only reason I pull out the Blu/DVD of a movie to watch is if I don't own it on Vudu.

Exactly. Between good deals and the basic nature of collecting, a collection can quickly get out of hand. At least with Vudu/iTunes/whatever, the clutter of things you'll never touch is only digital. I just did not need 1,000 blurays filling up a massive cabinet in my living room which I could utilize better.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Groot

If you want to be condescending towards me about one particular post at least reference the debate as a whole. The debate was including both DVDs and Blu-Ray. Nothing you said furthered either sides point about how rentals/streaming/digital kills film studios. But thanks.

The debate is Bluray versus Digital HD. Let's get real here.

Besides, if anyone posts links, they should check the facts before doing so.

[WOODMO]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

You, like many before you, are presuming that people with collections in the hundreds font rewatch them. I'm saying to you, that is completely false.

Then I must either a) not realize how little new content people watch in comparison to myself and/or b) not realize how much time people spend watching movies and TV shows.

I watch a lot of films and TV shows, more than most of my friends, but with all the new stuff on TV and hitting shelves, I just can't re-watch many things I truly enjoyed the first time.

But again, the most important take away is just because you and many others find the time to rewatch vast collections, does not mean the person who can own say 40 movies and watch the rest via streaming is any less of a film fan, it just means you have different habits.

[Dustin44]

Originally Posted by darkknightman

Has anyone also considered the possibility that many people don't feel the need to own movies at all anymore? That is the trend I am seeing in my social circle. People watch a movie once and that is it.

I agree, I see this with people in my social circle too.

It seems for them movies have become a one and done. Watch it once and that is it. They don't feel the need to own it on physical OR digital.