Sometimes it seems like people forget that, even if they think a movie isn't "good", that there were people working on the film that did a good job in their department. In every film, there is at least one aspect to like.
Okay. Even if this is true, then my previous point still stands:
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Originally Posted by Kevin Holly
[Show spoiler]First, on a scale from 0/5 to 5/5, a "0 star rating" would not imply no merit. It would imply the film having between 0% quality (i.e., no merit) and 10% quality. So very little, but still some. And a 1/5 would mean between 10-30% (instead of the "between 0-30% it currently does), 2/5 would mean between 30-50% (as it currently does), and similarly for 3, 4 and 5/5.
That is the nature of a discrete rating system of ANY number of points, each rating implies some range, and even a "0" on ANY such system allows for some measure of finite quality (i.e., in a 100-point system, such as 0-10 where a single decimal place is allowed, a 0.0/10 would include the range 0-0.5%). Indeed, depending on how deeply you want to interpret it, it may well be the case that for ANY rating on any dicrete rating system, the films actually quality is not equal to the number implied by the rating. For instance, on the 5-point scale currently employed, a 3/5 implies a 60%, but in fact represents a range of 50-70%.
Furthermore, the 0/5 would make the scale more balanced. As I noted above, the current setup gives the following scores and ranges:
1/5 - 20% implied score - 0 - 30% actual range
2/5 - 40% implied score - 30 - 50% actual range
3/5 - 60% implied score - 50 - 70% actual range
4/5 - 80% implied score - 70 - 90% actual range
5/5 - 100% implied score - 90 - 100% actual range
So the 1/5 rating is currently overworked since its range is so much larger, whereas with a 0/5 rating, the 0/5 would cover 0-10% and 1/5 would cover 10-30%, thus having the same size of range as 2, 3 and 4/5.
Also on the note of balance, I submit that arguing against a 0/5 is equivalent to arguing against a 5/5, because one could just as easily say "no film is perfect, therefore 5/5 is useless and 4/5 gives an appropriate indication of what was meant." By arguments nearly indentical to those I gave above, the fact that a 5/5 does not necessarily imply perfection follows. However, to have a 5/5 on the scale implies the need for a 0/5 for balance, otherwise the only scores should be 1, 2, 3 and 4/5.
Finally, I have to disagree with the original reason given for not having 0/5 anyways. "There is no film without merit." You may well think this, and thus shy away from a 0 score, but many people disagree and would be well-served. For instance, depending on ones tastes and tolerances, I have heard films as disparate as Superbabies: Baby Geniuses 2, A Serbian Film, Gigli, The Human Centipede 2, Fat Slags, InAPPropriate Comedy, and so on, all be referred to as a "true 0-star film," i.e., not only should they be given a 0/5 (or 0/whatever) rating, putting them in the lowest possible range (I do not consider the cases of films worse than 0% or higher than 100% becaue I do not know what this would mean), but that they are actually worthless, have no merit, and deserve a literaly 0%. Myself, I do not know of any film I would say that about, but the fact is, Jack & Jill may well be it for me, although I doubt I'll ever be morbidly curious enough to find out.
Not to mention Skyfall set the bar pretty high for the future
Skyfall set the bar very low. I dont even remember any more disappointing movie.
It's dumb, it's boring, I am unable to sit through it (i tried to revisit all Craig Bond movies before Spectre and needed to watch it in two parts during two days). And partly thanks to that I enjoyed Spectre. I was expecting something as terrible as Skyfall from Mendes, instead, I got somewhat enjoyable movie (even if it has some problems).
CR - 10/10
QoS - 8/10
Skyfall - 3/10
Spectre - 6-7/10 (will decide after second viewing)
I like Skyfall a lot and I consider it my second favorite Daniel Craig film after Casino Royale.
My problem with Skyfall, though, is that I really didn't care for watching James Bond be a bodyguard for the entire last half of the movie. Spectre is refreshing, because I like watching James Bond being James Bond again.
I like Skyfall a lot and I consider it my second favorite Daniel Craig film after Casino Royale.
My problem with Skyfall, though, is that I really didn't care for watching James Bond be a bodyguard for the entire last half of the movie. Spectre is refreshing, because I like watching James Bond being James Bond again.
Well phrased. For pretty much that reason, I say Spectre just edges over Skyfall for the #2 Craig spot.
I like Skyfall but I definitely liked it less upon re-watching it. The third act kinda drags and it wears its Nolan influence too much on its sleeve. On the bright side, the cinematography's great and I love the scenes in Shanghai. Severine was a really interesting character and I thought Bérénice Marlohe played her brilliantly. It's just a shame she was killed off so early, though I suppose it was to demonstrate Silva's *******ry.
Quantum of Solace, on the other hand, is something I disliked when I first saw it - I found it dull, soulless and extremely disappointing, given how good Casino Royale was - but I've since come to really like it. No, it's not very Bondian, but then neither is Licence to Kill and that's one of my favourites. It just works as an aggressive, fast-paced tale of revenge. A lot of what I didn't like the first time, whether it was the plot or the rapidly-edited action sequences, no longer bothered me. Oh, and that opera sequence is brilliant.
Sometimes it seems like people forget that, even if they think a movie isn't "good", that there were people working on the film that did a good job in their department. In every film, there is at least one aspect to like.
Good point. Say what you want about Ghost Rider 2 (yes it's a bad film); but the visual effects are 3x's better than Ghost Rider 1.
I always felt like the Craig movies were apologizing for being Bond. This is the first of his that I felt had many of the classic Bond elements to it.
To the people lamenting it's lack of similarity to Skyfall, I ask: Do you even really like the (pre-Craig) Bond pictures?
I do, specifically Sean Connery & Roger Moore. They represent the golden era of Bond to me. I don't mind Octopussy & A View to a Kill, the golden era ended with Moonraker.
There were some excellent homages/references, but I REALLY loved
[Show spoiler]the name of the safe house 'M' et al use, "Hildebrand Rarities". As a lover of all Fleming's JB novels and short stories, the pompous elitist inside me felt proud knowing I may have been the only one in the theatre who understood.
Saw Spectre today. I give it a solid 4/5. Not quite up to par with Casino Royale & Skyfall but it was very entertaining. I thought it was just a tad too long but no big deal. The opening Day of the Dead sequence is pretty great. Hoping Daniel Craig does in fact make his fifth Bond film. I would imagine so since he is contracted for 1 more.
[Show spoiler]searching for a secret room at the time like Bond was, then
yeah you'd have reason to suspect it. Everything in that scene followed fine. As for the
[Show spoiler]plane, he probably saw one up there somewhere and kept it in mind
, but that could have used a short set up I guess.
But he WASN'T
[Show spoiler]searching for a secret room!! He didn't know what he was searching for. Just prior to arriving he thought L'America (or whatever the hotel was called) was a person. It was a lazy convenience that he just happened to find that room.
And why would he keep the plane in mind? He took the time to ride the gondola down the mountain and steal a plane? Again... lazy convenience.
And here's more...
[Show spoiler]1) why would all of the previous Bond villains have DNA on the same ring (as Q finds when he scans it)? Seems kind of "convenient" doesn't it?
2) How would Blofeld know that Bond would escape the two thugs at the abandoned MI6 so as to set up the "James Bond Greatest Hits Ride" complete with spray paint personalized messages and a Bond villain/victim hall of fame for James to reminisce about before leading directly to Blofeld behind glass? It sure is convenient that Bond escaped. Now before you say, "Blofeld knew how good Bond was and knew he'd escape" he sure seemed confident that that inevitable escape wouldn't happen until he arrived at MI6 and then he was sure confident that Bond would continue to enter the building he was being taken to be killed in instead of getting the **** out of there for back up.
Isn't the plane he uses the one that he comes in on? We see it fly by in that establishing shot of the clinic on top of the mountain (same shot in the trailers).
No, it's not. Someone who saw it twice confirmed that
[Show spoiler]that second plane comes from nowhere.
I like Skyfall a lot and I consider it my second favorite Daniel Craig film after Casino Royale.
My problem with Skyfall, though, is that I really didn't care for watching James Bond be a bodyguard for the entire last half of the movie. Spectre is refreshing, because I like watching James Bond being James Bond again.
He is a bodyguard for most of Spectre too. And it has that oh so cliched "Door #1 vs. Door #2" scenario in the climax. I have seen that one a million times already and it's always the same result. They could have cut the entire 20 minutes in London at the end and it would have been a better movie.
He is a bodyguard for most of Spectre too. And it has that oh so cliched "Door #1 vs. Door #2" scenario in the climax. I have seen that one a million times already and it's always the same result. They could have cut the entire 20 minutes in London at the end and it would have been a better movie.
Which means the anti-climatic escape from the desert facility would have been even lazier.
If I may chime In. Saw it yesterday with a movie pass almost free. Just seemed like the story wasn't told the greatest. The overall flow seemed lacking. It did have everything a great bond film has. Gadgets women. Etc
Just wonder if the blu release will get an extended version. Even at 2.5 hours seemed like something was missing
Which means the anti-climatic escape from the desert facility would have been even lazier.
The entire third act sucks, no doubt. But the tacked on 20 minutes at the end just drags out a movie that didn't need to be so long and that sequence introduces some really tired plot points. Strong first two acts but it really falls apart as soon as they get to Spectre's facility.
[Show spoiler]searching for a secret room!! He didn't know what he was searching for. Just prior to arriving he thought L'America (or whatever the hotel was called) was a person. It was a lazy convenience that he just happened to find that room.
Yes he was. He was tearing the room apart in the previous scene looking for anything out of the ordinary.
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2) How would Blofeld know that Bond would escape the two thugs at the abandoned MI6 so as to set up the "James Bond Greatest Hits Ride" complete with spray paint personalized messages and a Bond villain/victim hall of fame for James to reminisce about before leading directly to Blofeld behind glass? It sure is convenient that Bond escaped. Now before you say, "Blofeld knew how good Bond was and knew he'd escape" he sure seemed confident that that inevitable escape wouldn't happen until he arrived at MI6 and then he was sure confident that Bond would continue to enter the building he was being taken to be killed in instead of getting the **** out of there for back up.
Or maybe plan A was that he
[Show spoiler]expected the thugs to take him in and unmask him, showing him the messages before leading him into the room opposite him with the mirror.
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