Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Yes I know how you feel, on my new 65" Sony UHD TV the PQ is amazing and Streaming is no different to Disc. I don't think people really care about watching 4k or DVD/Blu-ray. All most people want is a good uninterrupted Movie. Viewing it in 4k really doesn't make a difference, even DVD or SD will do. For us we would like the best resolution, but Streaming UHD or 1080P is all we need.

"Game Over Man," with this new UHD TV no Discs are needed. The Networking and Apps are unbelievable, I have IPTV and can switch to Amazon, Vudu, Netflix, Hulu, or what ever Streaming Provider I want. If I want to watch UHD there are plenty of Providers to access. Like I said, I can see Discs are a thing of the Past!

I'm glad you can see that. I can't personally. Neither can the industry even though they thought it would be simple. Digital HD replaces disc, rentals become Digital also and rinse and repeat. Then Netflix came along and let the massive genie out of the lamp. Now, they can't put it back. All you can eat buffet for less than a price of a disc or Digital HD copy. What does that mean? It means collectors are sticking with disc, the mainstream are just renting the odd title and backing that up with Netflix/Amazon/Hulu etc.. a small group are going Digital HD but after initial enthusiasm, the sales figures are close to flatlining. Even worse than I thought, (I think the figure is 5.6 rather than 6%)
On top of that, young people are losing their enthusiasm for film as they switch to social media and YouTube, Snapchat style content. As I predicted years ago, it's grim and we better just hope film itself survives over this coming two decades. one thing is for certain. No one is taking my content away. Disc for me, all the way.

[PCFan]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I'm glad you can see that. I can't personally. Neither can the industry even though they thought it would be simple. Digital HD replaces disc, rentals become Digital also and rinse and repeat. Then Netflix came along and let the massive genie out of the lamp. Now, they can't put it back. All you can eat buffet for less than a price of a disc or Digital HD copy. What does that mean? It means collectors are sticking with disc, the mainstream are just renting the odd title and backing that up with Netflix/Amazon/Hulu etc.. a small group are going Digital HD but after initial enthusiasm, the sales figures are close to flatlining. Even worse than I thought, (I think the figure is 5.6 rather than 6%)
On top of that, young people are losing their enthusiasm for film as they switch to social media and YouTube, Snapchat style content. As I predicted years ago, it's grim and we better just hope film itself survives over this coming two decades. one thing is for certain. No one is taking my content away. Disc for me, all the way.

A Netflix subscription cheaper than a UV HDX code for a single movie selling on the trading forum here or what they go for at digital code stores online?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by PCFan

A Netflix subscription cheaper than a UV HDX code for a single movie selling on the trading forum here or what they go for at digital code stores online?

But that is not a substainable business model. It's just a temporary situation. Cheap codes aren't going to last. Like I said, the industry is panicking

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by PCFan

A Netflix subscription cheaper than a UV HDX code for a single movie selling on the trading forum here or what they go for at digital code stores online?

Originally Posted by Steedeel

But that is not a sustainable business model. It's just a temporary situation. Cheap codes aren't going to last. Like I said, the industry is panicking

There is no panic, only in your eyes. The Movie Industry is doing just fine, there are more Movies and Studios than ever. Amazon and Netflix Studios are coming out with more Original Programs and Movies that are winning awards. People are going to watch them in the way that is best for them, and I see it being Streaming. AT&T and Verizon see that GigaBit Fiber to the Home is needed, and have started rolling it out again. Like I said, Streaming Video is The Future and people just have to adapt or get left in the Dust!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

There is no panic, only in your eyes. The Movie Industry is doing just fine, there are more Movies and Studios than ever. Amazon and Netflix Studios are coming out with more Original Programs and Movies that are winning awards. People are going to watch them in the way that is best for them, and I see it being Streaming. AT&T and Verizon see that GigaBit Fiber to the Home is needed, and have started rolling it out again. Like I said, Streaming Video is The Future and people just have to adapt or get left in the Dust!

You don't see a panic? The movie industry is doing just fine?

[Texan26]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

You don't see a panic? The movie industry is doing just fine?

The movie studios are doing fine. The summer blockbuster season is starting earlier and earlier each year. Too many blockbuster type movies that they can't release them all in the Summer season. Superman V Batman released in March last year. Beauty and the Beast this past March. These are movies that would have normally been released in the Summer but they have way too many movies scheduled.

[flyry]

Originally Posted by Texan26

The movie studios are doing fine. The summer blockbuster season is starting earlier and earlier each year. Too many blockbuster type movies that they can't release them all in the Summer season. Superman V Batman released in March last year. Beauty and the Beast this past March. These are movies that would have normally been released in the Summer but they have way too many movies scheduled.

Inflation is causing box office records to be broken all the time but way less people are actually going to the movies and even less are buying movies like us.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by alchav21

There is no panic, only in your eyes. The Movie Industry is doing just fine, there are more Movies and Studios than ever. Amazon and Netflix Studios are coming out with more Original Programs and Movies that are winning awards. People are going to watch them in the way that is best for them, and I see it being Streaming. AT&T and Verizon see that GigaBit Fiber to the Home is needed, and have started rolling it out again. Like I said, Streaming Video is The Future and people just have to adapt or get left in the Dust!

Originally Posted by Steedeel

You don't see a panic? The movie industry is doing just fine?

Maybe in the UK, but here is The States Streaming is King. Like I said, with the new Smart Networking UHDTV's accessing Streaming Content is not a problem. I didn't realize we were at this point until I started using these Features. My Cable Box and TV are Hard Wired with Structured Cat5, and all my Video Content is over my Internet Connection. So people will stay in The Dark Ages or come to The Light!

[BlakkMajik3000]

Originally Posted by DarrenL

Another argument for buying Physical Media over Digital.

TalkTalkTV (UK phone/internet/TV provider) is removing older purchased content from users as they apparently need more hard drive space on their servers!

https://twitter.com/PaulSE10/status/848844361433583616

Well this is rather disheartening. The only silver lining is that people will get credit. However, the credit doesn't really matter if they lost movies they really liked, since they will still have to buy the movie elsewhere, out of their own pocket.

[BlakkMajik3000]

Originally Posted by Talal86

DRM free would definitely make start buying digital movies

I prefer Plex UI to other digital stores, and I'd love to build a plex collection

If you have the patience, you can easily create a Plex collection from the discs you own.

The movie industry is still deathly afraid of drm free downloads though. I don't quite understand the fear though, because all the drm they've thrown at movies so far has done little, if anything, to curb piracy and all they really do in the end is frustrate paying customers.

[veritas]

Originally Posted by Texan26

The movie studios are doing fine. The summer blockbuster season is starting earlier and earlier each year. Too many blockbuster type movies that they can't release them all in the Summer season. Superman V Batman released in March last year. Beauty and the Beast this past March. These are movies that would have normally been released in the Summer but they have way too many movies scheduled.

Idk if I would say the studios are doing fine. They have enough worrying problems in the industry to make any long term investment pretty risky.

a few worrying things in the movie market:

- Block busters make money but their seems to be less and less middle ground where its either a success or a failure for studios.

-the prices of tickets have gone up making movies more profitable but less people now go to the movies. If they do away with 3d that will also drastically cut into profits based on higher average ticket prices.

-On the secondary release physical or digital things are even bleaker with week one prices increasing but with deep discounts coming sooner and more frequently.

-Stores are now stocking less media space each year.

-streaming companies have an extremely hard time raising prices without losing huge numbers of subscribers.


I would say Disney is the only studio that is really doing well. They are able to sell their movies at a premium without bargain binning them and they seem to produce blockbusters the most reliably. The other studios are selling movies in a buyers market. They can still sell movies but at much smaller profit margins then they used to get in the past. The other studios have seriously devalued their products with streaming and fierce competition and the general fact that the market is saturated with movies now.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Maybe in the UK, but here is The States Streaming is King. Like I said, with the new Smart Networking UHDTV's accessing Streaming Content is not a problem. I didn't realize we were at this point until I started using these Features. My Cable Box and TV are Hard Wired with Structured Cat5, and all my Video Content is over my Internet Connection. So people will stay in The Dark Ages or come to The Light!

With 5.6 growth? I wouldn't say it was king at all. Certainly Netflix, but they are more about tv now.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by BlakkMajik3000

Well this is rather disheartening. The only silver lining is that people will get credit. However, the credit doesn't really matter if they lost movies they really liked, since they will still have to buy the movie elsewhere, out of their own pocket.

We will see more and more of this.

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by BlakkMajik3000

Well this is rather disheartening. The only silver lining is that people will get credit. However, the credit doesn't really matter if they lost movies they really liked, since they will still have to buy the movie elsewhere, out of their own pocket.

That may not always even be an option. When and if this starts with happening with more services some movies may not be available from anywhere. A refund is a minor consolation for never being able to watch the removed content again.

[twobelowpar]

It really will be interesting to see what happens when (and it will happen) the code market shrinks or disappears. If it weren't for codes I would still be purchasing Blurays regularly instead of for select titles only. But as more and more ma and pa rental shops close down, there will be fewer and fewer bulk amounts of codes being sold.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by DarrenL

Another argument for buying Physical Media over Digital.

TalkTalkTV (UK phone/internet/TV provider) is removing older purchased content from users as they apparently need more hard drive space on their servers!

https://twitter.com/PaulSE10/status/848844361433583616

Oh look, it's that thing the pro-digital folks said wouldn't happen for years, if ever!

Let me go find a crow so they can eat it...

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

Oh look, it's that thing the pro-digital folks said wouldn't happen for years, if ever!

Let me go find a crow so they can eat it...

Do those Crows live in the UK, find this happening a little closer. I don't think you can!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Do those Crows live in the UK, find this happening a little closer. I don't think you can!

It doesn't matter where you are. If they can do it, they can do it.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

And what a crappy and dismissive attitude to take towards the UK and anyone who lives there and is effected by this.

[Talal86]

Originally Posted by master gandhi

If Apple announces a new Apple TV this year, it will likely be 4K. I'll probably get it if it offers other bells and whistles, but 4K alone as the big advancement doesn't excite me. I'm all about technology moving forward, though.

what I'd love from a new apple tv is download and external hard drive support

I know it will never happen, though. since companies hate downloading for some reason

Originally Posted by master gandhi

It's just that 1080p on a 4K TV looks great already. .

I know, I sound like those people who said DVD on an HD TV looks great as it is. Maybe I'm easier to please now.

I don't think you do, I upgraded my set (tv, avr and player) to 4k and it wasn't anything like the jump from dvd to hd, 1080p is still king