Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[deatheats]

Since it doesn’t sound like this is a very popular subject, I’ll try to keep it brief

Wireless introduces many variables which can drastically change a users experience. Routers, protocols, antennas, walls, distance, interference, other wireless users, etc. can all make the wireless experience vary to quite an extent depending on the combination of the above factors. Ethernet (within a given speed class), on the other hand, will provide the exact same experience to every person using it…there is very little variance based on the above factors.

If you have a solid Wi-Fi setup, like many have said, there won’t be a huge difference for media streaming, but I personally like the consistency, speed, security and ease of setup (no password) of Ethernet for all networking equipment that supports it.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by deatheats

Since it doesn’t sound like this is a very popular subject, I’ll try to keep it brief

Wireless introduces many variables which can drastically change a users experience. Routers, protocols, antennas, walls, distance, interference, other wireless users, etc. can all make the wireless experience vary to quite an extent depending on the combination of the above factors. Ethernet (within a given speed class), on the other hand, will provide the exact same experience to every person using it…there is very little variance based on the above factors.

If you have a solid Wi-Fi setup, like many have said, there won’t be a huge difference for media streaming, but I personally like the consistency, speed, security and ease of setup (no password) of Ethernet for all networking equipment that supports it.

The same person has been for years. That is what is unpopular. He likes to periodically remind us that we're doing it wrong whether that's how we stream or how we buy our movies.

We all know what can interfere with a wireless network. No one would rely upon a network plagued with interference.

With a "solid Wi-Fi setup" there is no difference with streaming. If you have a solid connection, then you get the same solid results.

I like both types of networks for different reasons. I would not tolerate an unreliable network connection when streaming. Streaming has enough drawbacks as it is without my introducing more.

[Vilya]

I received a DVD today:

Sometimes you gotta go retro to get the movie that you want.

[alchav21]

Okay the Key Phrase is "Good Enough," what most of you think of Streaming. So that means Streaming over Wireless is "Good Enough!" So like deatheats says, everyone will have to decide for themselves Hardwired Ethernet or Wireless. If you want better Streaming Quality go with Ethernet, or settle for "Good Enough" Wireless!

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

At the start of the video he stated the he had gigabit fiber. When he shows the diagnostics from the ATV4K HUD it clearly shows the network bandwidth > 300 Mbps for some services and < 6 Mbps for others. Had a graphic over the HUD during the Prime Video segment so I could not see the network bandwidth.

Need some help here, does anyone other than alchav21 have a problem understanding the results that have been emphasized? If so I will do my best to reword.

Next question, I have posted the results of measuring my Wi-Fi speeds, does anyone believe I am making this stuff up and posting here?

Posted but will post again, there are several Android apps available that can do Wi-Fi diagnostics, some free, some paid. Point, you can do the very same thing I do. Have already posted how to access Prime Video diagnostics so if you have Android (Google TV, Sony TV or Nvidia Shield) its possible to do as I do. If you have a ATV4K then you can do exactly what I do using the Developer HUD*.

*Will require a Mac computer and loading Xcode.

[bhampton]

I have a 25Mbs connection so I think I can't help with these investigations.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by bhampton

I have a 25Mbs connection so I think I can't help with these investigations.

No problem Brian, we have more than enough results already. The problem comes from some not understanding the results and not asking for help.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Okay the Key Phrase is "Good Enough," what most of you think of Streaming. So that means Streaming over Wireless is "Good Enough!" So like deatheats says, everyone will have to decide for themselves Hardwired Ethernet or Wireless. If you want better Streaming Quality go with Ethernet, or settle for "Good Enough" Wireless!

Can you explain to us all, in great detail, how streaming quality is ‘improved’ by being hard wired.
Bearing in mind, most people now have access to fibre speeds in the hundreds?

I stream let’s say, Greyhound in 4K on Apple TV via wireless.

Next night, I stream the same film, but wired.

What differences do I see or hear?

Let’s strip this down to the basics.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Okay the Key Phrase is "Good Enough," what most of you think of Streaming. So that means Streaming over Wireless is "Good Enough!" So like deatheats says, everyone will have to decide for themselves Hardwired Ethernet or Wireless. If you want better Streaming Quality go with Ethernet, or settle for "Good Enough" Wireless!

You still don't get it. No surprise there.

You either have a stable and reliable connection to the network or you do not. If you do have a stable and reliable connection to the network, whether or not the network is wired or wireless makes no damn difference.

You asked this of your youtube hero:

alchav AlexanderC:

"Your testing shows Amazon Prime very poor, and I get very good Streaming. I also have Fiber 85Mbps Symmetrical, but I come off the Fiber Fed Switch with Ethernet straight into my Sony 65" UHD TV. Are you connected WiFi to your OLED?"

Here is the reply that you received:

Techthusiasm:

"I'm testing the apps back-to-back also, so if a network issue were happening then every app should show faulty behavior. But when one streams rock solid max rates and the next stumbles, I blame the app not the network."

He seems to get it. Why can't you? His streaming issues with Amazon Prime had NOTHING to do with the his network connection contrary to your baseless assertion here that streaming issues are mostly due to people using wifi. His connection was wired, oh by the way.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Can you explain to us all, in great detail, how streaming quality is ‘improved’ by being hard wired.
Bearing in mind, most people now have access to fibre speeds in the hundreds?

I stream let’s say, Greyhound in 4K on Apple TV via wireless.

Next night, I stream the same film, but wired.

What differences do I see or hear?

You're asking someone who can barely tell any difference between 4K and HD. You'd get better observations from a blind person.

[unberechenbar]

I bought/preordered these this week:


It's the most discs I've ever purchased in one week. Bullet Train is my favorite movie of the year and the rest are blind buys.

[Steedeel]

Boo

[Steedeel]

Was locked out of all threads earlier. What The Funk?

Anyone else?

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Was locked out of all threads earlier. What The Funk?

Anyone else?

Didn't experience it this time.

Accidentally bought a Steelbook and didn't realize it till it arrived in the post box.



At least it doesn't seem damaged and I don't think it cost extra and ... it's kind of cool looking. I prefer standard packaging but the occasional Steel book is fine.

Was happy with the price of this one too..

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by unberechenbar

I bought/preordered these this week:

Have not viewed Crawl or Bullet Train yet, have Old Henry and Allegiant. Viewed but passed on the other titles. If you like westerns then Old Henry should be a good addition to your collection, IMO, Allegiant was the best of that series.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Was locked out of all threads earlier. What The Funk?

Anyone else?

Yes but just this thread, was so asked the mods to check. All appears to be good now.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by bhampton

Didn't experience it this time.

Accidentally bought a Steelbook and didn't realize it till it arrived in the post box.



At least it doesn't seem damaged and I don't think it cost extra and ... it's kind of cool looking. I prefer standard packaging but the occasional Steel book is fine.

Was happy with the price of this one too..

Two good additions.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Yes but just this thread, was so asked the mods to check. All appears to be good now.

Thought I had been too outspoken again!

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by unberechenbar

[Show spoiler]I bought/preordered these this week:

It's the most discs I've ever purchased in one week. Bullet Train is my favorite movie of the year and the rest are blind buys.

Good job! You'll be ordering by the dozen plus before you know it.

I was undecided about Bullet Train, but I am more inclined to get it after your enthusiastic endorsement. I don't generally pre-order stuff unless it is a limited edition, so I will wait until its released.

I noticed elsewhere that you were not a big fan of Thor Love And Thunder. How bad is it?

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Thought I had been too outspoken again!

I might fit that description better than you.