Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[cheez avenger]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I couldn't buy just one Flicker Alley title, now could I?



"With an incredible performance by the great Conrad Veidt (whose character's maniacal-looking smile inspired the creation of The Joker in the Batman mythology), The Man Who Laughs is a silent classic which should not go overlooked by today's modern audiences."

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/The-M...237673/#Review

You can't go wrong with this film - it's a masterpiece. I own 3 versions of it. I have the Flicker Alley, Eureka, and German Media Book editions. The German edition is a 4-disc behemoth.

If you ever get a chance to watch some sleazy noir, Brian de Palma's "The Black Dahlia" features Man Who Laughs as part of the plot line.

[cheez avenger]

Scooped up Kick Ass 4K disc for $5.99 yesterday at BB and Mad God BD steelbook also from BB.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

The cost to the ISP (or additional cost over the cheapest available internet service) should definitely be factored into the cost of streaming but I've never seen anyone else take that into account.

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

I use my ISP for shopping, banking, food service, lookups and other sundries.

You want to add it - then you have to add the space your media takes up in your home for mortgage, rent, insurance, etc.

BTW =-if you are ordering your media, as I know almost all of you do - better add YOUR ISP charges because . . . no ISP, no ordering disc.

Fair is fair.

Originally Posted by Vilya

I am paying for that space no matter how I choose to use it. Whether I place movie shelves along my walls or hang fuzzy black light posters instead, my cost for that space is unchanged. It is not like I have to feed and water my discs.

one does need a better ISP package to stream instead of banking or ordering BDs so I agree with Penguin if the reason someone has the package they have vs a cheaper one is streaming that extra cost should be factored in. On the other hand I don't know anyone that has bought a more expensive home to store their collection or paying for extra storage for it and if someone did buy more expensive home t or extra storage that should be factored in. the space argument is also week since my shelves are six inches deep against walls it is not like a table where it cramps your stile, at best all itr does is stop someone from adding art /wal paper on the wall, but honestly a collection makes a better conversation starter that can go on fro a while.

That being said even if I decide to add in the costs for the space that my collection takes up, I don't rent and my house has been paid off for many years now. The only costs that make sense to be added up would be my municipal property tax and school tax (here they are two different bills based on property evaluation) and if I round it up to the nearest 1$/year it will just be 1$/y.

Maybe if someone was renting a very small place in one of the most expensive places in the world it might be a bit different. But I don't think there are many cases where it will make any interesting difference.

[Lee A Stewart]

Whatever you pay for your ISP has to be included in your disc costs if you are ordering your content online. That makes it an Oranges vs Oranges comparision to streaming if you are going to include the cost of your ISP. If you use your iPhone instead of a computer - include that. Me personally - I have a desktop PC. My phone is a flip phone - no access to the internet.

What about any furniture that you may have spent to house your discs?

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Whatever you pay for your ISP has to be included in your disc costs if you are ordering your content online. That makes it an Oranges vs Oranges comparision to streaming if you are going to include the cost of your ISP. If you use your iPhone instead of a computer - include that. Me personally - I have a desktop PC. My phone is a flip phone - no access to the internet.

depends what one wants to do. Like Wendell said if you want to calculate some of the costs to as work costs you need to calculate everything very carefully. used internet 6 minutes to buy 3 BDs on amazon, used internet 6 hours to watch 3 films on Amazon prime. But that is not what Penguin was talking about. And doing so will make things worst for streaming. What he said is if there is a 40$ package and that works well enough for you for everything else but you have the 70$ package because of streaming that 30$ difference a month is because of streaming and should be added to your cost

What about any furniture that you may have spent to house your discs?

built my own shelves a long time ago, so a bit of pine, tint and screws. I am sure there might be some people that spend a lot on fancy looking shelving but then it is a cost of esthetics and not storage.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

depends what one wants to do. Like Wendell said if you want to calculate some of the costs to as work costs you need to calculate everything very carefully. used internet 6 minutes to buy 3 BDs on amazon, used internet 6 hours to watch 3 films on Amazon prime. But that is not what Penguin was talking about. And doing so will make things worst for streaming. What he said is if there is a 40$ package and that works well enough for you for everything else but you have the 70$ package because of streaming that 30$ difference a month is because of streaming and should be added to your cost

I don't know about you but I pay a flat rate for my ISP. If I use it for 10 miutes or 200 hours, the rate doesn't change. You need that ISP to get on line so the time fractions mean absolutely nothing.

built my own shelves a long time ago, so a bit of pine, tint and screws. I am sure there might be some people that spend a lot on fancy looking shelving but then it is a cost of esthetics and not storage.

Nope - those fancy disc storage towers thay sell at Amazon - that has to be included if you bought them. Home built - not really.

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

Scooped up Kick Ass 4K disc for $5.99 yesterday

With the heads up I picked up Kick Ass 4K for $5.99 as well.

Thanks!

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

If you ever get a chance to watch some sleazy noir, Brian de Palma's "The Black Dahlia" features Man Who Laughs as part of the plot line.

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

...and Mad God BD steelbook also from BB.

Haven't you cost me enough money with this week?

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

I don't know about you but I pay a flat rate for my ISP. If I use it for 10 miutes or 200 hours, the rate doesn't change. You need that ISP to get on line so the time fractions mean absolutely nothing.

Are there cheaper internet options in your area that would be fast enough and provide enough bandwidth for everything but streaming? If so you should factor in the price difference when you are calculating the cost of streaming.

In my area it would cost an extra $50 per month to upgrade my internet speed and remove the bandwidth cap.

Nope - those fancy disc storage towers thay sell at Amazon - that has to be included if you bought them. Home built - not really.

I calculated the cost of shelving: it's 12¢ per case. I put most of my discs into 4-disc cases so they use up less space, they cost 50¢ each. The cost of cases and shelving is therefore 15.5¢ per disc. TV shows usually come in good cases so I don't have to buy new cases; the cost of storing them is therefore only 12¢ per case (most commonly 1 season per case).

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

you have to add the space your media takes up in your home for mortgage, rent, insurance, etc.

If you're renting a larger apartment to store a large collection then it makes sense to factor that into your costs. But if you own your house then a larger house isn't an expense: it's an investment.

[veritas]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Whatever you pay for your ISP has to be included in your disc costs if you are ordering your content online. That makes it an Oranges vs Oranges comparision to streaming if you are going to include the cost of your ISP. If you use your iPhone instead of a computer - include that. Me personally - I have a desktop PC. My phone is a flip phone - no access to the internet.

What about any furniture that you may have spent to house your discs?

It comes down to the speed and data caps required to stream video. if you had google fiber for example and all you wanted to do was check email, surf the web, order online, bank etc then you really don't need more then 5mbps. If you had google fiber for example you could get all of that with the free construction plan. If you want to stream videos though your going to need to much higher mbps and it could cost you an extra 50 to 100 dollars a month. Its not as cut and dry if you do other high data activity's but for most streaming is the only reason they need faster internet plans.



As for furniture ya that is fair to include as a cost of physical though most of my bookshelves cost little to nothing. You can also include the blu ray players and streaming boxes/smart tv to physical and digital respectively.

[bhampton]

My media shelves were very cheap and easy to make. I need to make more as I'm putting some of the DVDs and Games and CDs in the same place.

As far as steaming, I have bonded DSL for a glorious 25Mbs. I don't really need more bandwidth but I do want to move to Fiber Optic internet whenever my area has the ability. My church finally moved from DSL to Cable internet and good for them. I would but I think I still hate Comcast for reasons I can't remember.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by veritas

It comes down to the speed and data caps required to stream video. if you had google fiber for example and all you wanted to do was check email, surf the web, order online, bank etc then you really don't need more then 5mbps. If you had google fiber for example you could get all of that with the free construction plan. If you want to stream videos though your going to need to much higher mbps and it could cost you an extra 50 to 100 dollars a month. Its not as cut and dry if you do other high data activity's but for most streaming is the only reason they need faster internet plans.



As for furniture ya that is fair to include as a cost of physical though most of my bookshelves cost little to nothing. You can also include the blu ray players and streaming boxes/smart tv to physical and digital respectively.

Gaming is another big reason. The wait for game downloads can be tedious unless you have fibre.

[bhampton]

Speaking of gaming .....

I have a PS5 under the tree and I'm debating if it should be used with the home theater or with my VGTV (Video Game TV).

I'm thinking I will use the PS5 with my projector as my VGTV is a $100 Black Friday LG 1080p LCD. I mean,... it looks amazing but I don't think it delivers on anything PS5 brings to the table.

Maybe next Black Friday I'll update the VGTV. Gaming to me is more comfortable in the living room than the theater but I guess I'll find out.

What's more likely is I'll get PSVR 2 and that's it ... I'll never be seen again. ha ha ha.



Last night I watched The Last Picture Show which is something I never heard of (was from a box set.) It was a good blind buy.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by bhampton

Speaking of gaming .....

I have a PS5 under the tree and I'm debating if it should be used with the home theater or with my VGTV (Video Game TV).

I'm thinking I will use the PS5 with my projector as my VGTV is a $100 Black Friday LG 1080p LCD. I mean,... it looks amazing but I don't think it delivers on anything PS5 brings to the table.

Maybe next Black Friday I'll update the VGTV. Gaming to me is more comfortable in the living room than the theater but I guess I'll find out.

What's more likely is I'll get PSVR 2 and that's it ... I'll never be seen again. ha ha ha.



Last night I watched The Last Picture Show which is something I never heard of (was from a box set.) It was a good blind buy.

I’m the same, it’s (HT) my happy place for films, but prefer the tv for gaming.

PS5 games mostly look amazing, I will pick up the PSVR2, just waiting to see what titles are announced.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

I don't know about you but I pay a flat rate for my ISP. If I use it for 10 miutes or 200 hours, the rate doesn't change. You need that ISP to get on line so the time fractions mean absolutely nothing.

you were the one that said we need to factor into the price of physical media the internet connection if we buy on-line. Even if the costs are fixed they need to be divided by usage.

Nope - those fancy disc storage towers thay sell at Amazon - that has to be included if you bought them. Home built - not really.

I don't know what fancy storage towers you are talking about but does it matter? don't get me wrong obviously one solution might be more expensive than an other but either way they most likely don't add up to much. Someone (like I did around 15 years ago wheree I got rid of my old cheap white melamine book cases with custom pine cases) can decide to get rid of the old and replace them eventually but at the end of the day, it is not a monthly cost and they are not perishable.

[Wendell R. Breland]

I remember from my real early days of TV & appliance retail sales the words of most purchasers, “how much a month”. According to some kin in various businesses, that is still one of the most used phrases.

Our concern has been and is, the total cost of anything. Really wonder if most know the total cost of that new SUV or that patio home. For many years have offered to purchase financial software (like Intuit Quicken) for kin and some close friends so they could keep up with their finances but not a single one accepted.

Did not keep up with open reel tape and vinyl but I do know my cost of CD’s, LD, DVD’s, D-Theater tapes and Blu-ray disc. Based on the cost some of my kin has spent on boats and airplanes our home entertainment is a bargain.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

I don't know what fancy storage towers you are talking about but does it matter? don't get me wrong obviously one solution might be more expensive than an other but either way they most likely don't add up to much. Someone (like I did around 15 years ago wheree I got rid of my old cheap white melamine book cases with custom pine cases) can decide to get rid of the old and replace them eventually but at the end of the day, it is not a monthly cost and they are not perishable.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Gaming is another big reason. The wait for game downloads can be tedious unless you have fibre.

Which is why you should also factor in the cost of your internet service into your gaming expenses as well. Those of us who play all of our video games on disc don't need fast (and expensive) internet service.

[Warm Gun]

My living room has too many big windows, making it near impossible to find more space for my movies without bothering my brother and sort of taking over the space. I'd really like to throw out the sofa we never use. Would provide plenty of room. Space considerations are why I always say movies should have been packaged in CD jewel cases from the start. It's stupid, absolutely stupid, to still use these oversized, thick, tall Blu-ray cases when everybody is dropping physical media (with having less junk often being cited as one of the reasons) and housing prices keep going up. A square cover can look splendid and the jewel case can be pretty sturdy depending on the material used. They also don't have that problem of the insert sliding out of the top or bottom like in BD and DVD cases.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

Which is why you should also factor in the cost of your internet service into your gaming expenses as well. Those of us who play all of our video games on disc don't need fast (and expensive) internet service.

Of course we do, updates are huge and frequent these days.