What's the better sub?

[erict]

Originally Posted by mintchris

What would I be better with as they are both pretty much the same price?
I am pretty un-educated when it comes to high end subs.

The A5-350

[mintchris]

oh jeeez! Decisions, decisions!!
Sorry for all the dumb questions but why is the 350 better?

[erict]

Originally Posted by mintchris

oh jeeez! Decisions, decisions!!
Sorry for all the dumb questions but why is the 350 better?

It's going to have greater output with a 15" driver. Call Brett or Alex at eD and they will answer any questions between the two.

[eljay]

The new 350 - I'll assume the old one has similar specs - has a bigger cabinet, a larger driver and a more powerful amp than the 300. Although they're both rated to 18Hz +/- 3dB, in-room the 350 will most likely outperform the 300.

[Footloose301]

Elemental Designs A7-900 ($2200 ID/SI): 116 points (63-53)
Epik Conquest ($1599 ID): 112 points (60-52)
SVS PB13-Ultra ($1499 ID): 109 points (57-52)
Epik Castle ($999 ID): 109 points (59-50)
AV123 MFW-15 Duals: 109 points (56-53) (note, duals were tested as duals are offered as a package)
Creative Sounds Dual SDX-15 driver + Behringer EP-2500 Amp + Behringer DEQ2496 ($1630 ID): 105 points (57-48)
JL Audio Fathom 113 ($3500 BM): 103 points (53-50)
AV123 MFW-15 ($599 ID): 103 points (53-50)
Def Tech Trinity ($3000 BM): 102 points (54-48)
Velodyne DD-18 ($5000 BM): 100 points (50-50)
ACI Maestro ($2400 ID): 97 points (47-50)
eD A5-350 ($715 ID/SI): 96 points (50-46)
JL Audio Fathom 112 ($2600 BM): 95 points (45-50)
Hsu VTF-3 HO + Turbo ($999 ID): 94 points (47-47)
Hsu VTF-3 HO w/o Turbo ($899 ID): 92 points (45-47)
Hsu VTF-3 Mark III + Turbo ($799 ID): 92 points (45-47)
VMPS VSS ($1650 BM and ID): 92 points (45-47)
Epik Valor ($549 ID): 91 points (44-47)
Hsu VTF-3 Mark III w/o Turbo ($699 ID): 91 points (45-46)
SVS PB12-Ultra: 90 points (47-43)
Axiom EP-500 ($1230 ID/SI): 90 points (43-47)
Hsu VTF-2 Mark III + Turbo ($599 ID): 88 points (42-46)
SVS PB12-Plus/2 ($1299 ID): 87 points (47-40)
SVS PB12-NSD ($599 ID): 86 points (43-43)
Hsu VTF-2 Mark III w/o Turbo ($499 ID): 86 points (40-46)
Rocket UFW-12 ($999 ID): 85 points (provisional) (35-50)
Elemental Designs A2-300 ($350 ID/SI): 83 points (44-39)
SVS PB10-NSD ($429 ID): 83 points (43-40)
Dana Audio 600 ($869 ID): 83 points (36-47)
Rocket X-Sub ($199 ID): 78 points (34-44)
BIC H-100 ($229 eBay): 78 points (40-38)
Rocket Tyke: 60 points




I'd go with the AV123 MFW-15. The satin black are going for $499 and are rated better than the ED A5-350. Save some cash and get more performance.

Just my $0.02

[erict]

Originally Posted by Footloose301

Elemental Designs A7-900 ($2200 ID/SI): 116 points (63-53)
Epik Conquest ($1599 ID): 112 points (60-52)
SVS PB13-Ultra ($1499 ID): 109 points (57-52)
Epik Castle ($999 ID): 109 points (59-50)
AV123 MFW-15 Duals: 109 points (56-53) (note, duals were tested as duals are offered as a package)
Creative Sounds Dual SDX-15 driver + Behringer EP-2500 Amp + Behringer DEQ2496 ($1630 ID): 105 points (57-48)
JL Audio Fathom 113 ($3500 BM): 103 points (53-50)
AV123 MFW-15 ($599 ID): 103 points (53-50)
Def Tech Trinity ($3000 BM): 102 points (54-48)
Velodyne DD-18 ($5000 BM): 100 points (50-50)
ACI Maestro ($2400 ID): 97 points (47-50)
eD A5-350 ($715 ID/SI): 96 points (50-46)
JL Audio Fathom 112 ($2600 BM): 95 points (45-50)
Hsu VTF-3 HO + Turbo ($999 ID): 94 points (47-47)
Hsu VTF-3 HO w/o Turbo ($899 ID): 92 points (45-47)
Hsu VTF-3 Mark III + Turbo ($799 ID): 92 points (45-47)
VMPS VSS ($1650 BM and ID): 92 points (45-47)
Epik Valor ($549 ID): 91 points (44-47)
Hsu VTF-3 Mark III w/o Turbo ($699 ID): 91 points (45-46)
SVS PB12-Ultra: 90 points (47-43)
Axiom EP-500 ($1230 ID/SI): 90 points (43-47)
Hsu VTF-2 Mark III + Turbo ($599 ID): 88 points (42-46)
SVS PB12-Plus/2 ($1299 ID): 87 points (47-40)
SVS PB12-NSD ($599 ID): 86 points (43-43)
Hsu VTF-2 Mark III w/o Turbo ($499 ID): 86 points (40-46)
Rocket UFW-12 ($999 ID): 85 points (provisional) (35-50)
Elemental Designs A2-300 ($350 ID/SI): 83 points (44-39)
SVS PB10-NSD ($429 ID): 83 points (43-40)
Dana Audio 600 ($869 ID): 83 points (36-47)
Rocket X-Sub ($199 ID): 78 points (34-44)
BIC H-100 ($229 eBay): 78 points (40-38)
Rocket Tyke: 60 points




I'd go with the AV123 MFW-15. The satin black are going for $499 and are rated better than the ED A5-350. Save some cash and get more performance.

Just my $0.02

Only problem with that recommendation is they are having amp issues

[Footloose301]

Originally Posted by erict

Only problem with that recommendation is they are having amp issues

Not right now. They fixed that awhile ago. All new subs are currently being shipped with the new amp. This has been happening for a couple months now. No need to worry about that problem anymore.

NO NEED TO BOLD SOMETHING UNLESS YOU KNOW SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T

[Footloose301]

To be accurate it has been cured since 5-29-09
http://forums.av123.com/showthread.php?t=40978

[mintchris]

Any idea how much AV123 charges for shipping??
Anyone have hands on experience with the MFW-15?
Its nice the ED offers free shipping but this one looks like quite the beast at a good price.

[erict]

Originally Posted by Footloose301

Not right now. They fixed that awhile ago. All new subs are currently being shipped with the new amp. This has been happening for a couple months now. No need to worry about that problem anymore.

NO NEED TO BOLD SOMETHING UNLESS YOU KNOW SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T

Didn't know bolding text was a bad thing BUT I DO KNOW CAPS ARE

[Big Daddy]

Originally Posted by mintchris

Any idea how much AV123 charges for shipping??
Anyone have hands on experience with the MFW-15?
Its nice the ED offers free shipping but this one looks like quite the beast at a good price.

Check the The Official AV123 Subwoofers Thread. I believe StimpsonJCat owns one.

[centauro74]

I called eD today, and ask about the A5-350 old style, they have it for $57s but it come with a 300 watts amp, they toll me the new amp wont fit in the old box and it takes 2 weeks for the sub to be sent.
The shipping of the MFW-15 is $130.

I'm also looking to buy a sub, do you guys think the old A5-350 is better that the svs pb12-nsd, cause of the bigger sub even with the smaller amp?

[erict]

Originally Posted by centauro74

I called eD today, and ask about the A5-350 old style, they have it for $57s but it come with a 300 watts amp, they toll me the new amp wont fit in the old box and it takes 2 weeks for the sub to be sent.
The shipping of the MFW-15 is $130.

I'm also looking to buy a sub, do you guys think the old A5-350 is better that the svs pb12-nsd, cause of the bigger sub even with the smaller amp?

I know BD can elaborate better on this but I know a good sub has to do with more then just the size of the amp.

[Big Daddy]

The quality of bass sound from a subwoofer depends on many factors:

1. The build and quality of the driver.
2. The build and quality of the amplifier.
3. The build and quality of the enclosure.
4. Ported versus sealed enclosure. Ported subs tend to be louder and have a lower frequency extension. Sealed subs are considered to be tighter and in some people's opinion, better for music applications.
5. The tuning of the port.
6. The size of the driver and the power of the amplifier.
7. And perhaps the most important factor, Placement in the Room.

As a general rule, there is no difference between down-firing and front-firing subwoofers.

[Animo]

Originally Posted by mintchris

Any idea how much AV123 charges for shipping??
Anyone have hands on experience with the MFW-15?
Its nice the ED offers free shipping but this one looks like quite the beast at a good price.

I think it used to be $199 to your nearest Yellow terminal and then you had to go pick it up. But looking at their site, it gives UPS options as well.

[Footloose301]

I paid $130 for shipping on my MFW-15 and the subwoofer is outstanding IMHO. Haven't had a problem with it and I've had it for a year and have been driving it pretty hard too. It weighs in at 120lbs for shipping and it comes right to your front door.

eD makes excellent equipment as well.

[Footloose301]

Originally Posted by Big Daddy

Check the The Official AV123 Subwoofers Thread. I believe StimpsonJCat owns one.

Apparently the pricing is going back up sometime within these next two weeks. This might be your chance to get a $699 subwoofer for just $499. Note: According to Craigsub rankings, this sub priced at $699 actually outperformed the $5000 Velodyne, among many others.

Keep in mind that it is a rather large subwoofer and if you don't like feeling of stuff flying off shelves and possibly the punch in your seat from explosions on the screen.... then you might want to stay away from this one

But, everyone likes a certain sound. I like to feel explosions without the use of butt kickers and it is surprisingly accurate for a 15" woofer. Its all in the enclosure they built for this beast. Also, remember that it is large and takes some room.

[Footloose301]

Originally Posted by erict

Didn't know bolding text was a bad thing BUT I DO KNOW CAPS ARE

I was merely getting the point across to you. You made a false statement and went one step further by bolding it. It was either that, or I offer you a glass of water to wash your foot down your throat.

Now that everyone has the correct information; Mother always taught me that two wrongs don't make a right, so I'm sorry for the CAPS

[erict]

Originally Posted by Footloose301

I was merely getting the point across to you. You made a false statement and went one step further by bolding it. It was either that, or I offer you a glass of water to wash your foot down your throat.

Now that everyone has the correct information; Mother always taught me that two wrongs don't make a right, so I'm sorry for the CAPS

Apology accepted Maybe I should have noted if someone buys a used one Or will they honor the amp replacement on those

[Footloose301]

By what I'm reading, I believe Mark(the AV123 owner) is a pretty standup kind of guy and he's been replacing those amps with a simple phone call. If I wasn't an honest person then I'd be calling and asking for the newer one, but I am crossing my fingers that mine will be O.K.

I probably wouldn't buy one used just because of the few months of production on those MFW-15 that they were having problems with. I really wish I had some extra cash to pick up 2 more for our theater room.