Should I get this HDMI Cable ??

[blujacket]

How bout this awesome cat cable

http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/3429.asp

[repete66211]

Originally Posted by xneox

Guys buying those cables have $100K+ systems in which there likely is a legitimate benefit.

What, the speaker cables or the power cord? The speaker cables are pure snake oil, but I could see a setup demanding a lot of juice may require more than your average run of the mill power cable. That said, a cable is inert, so it can only do so much.

[xneox]

Originally Posted by repete66211

What, the speaker cables or the power cord? The speaker cables are pure snake oil, but I could see a setup demanding a lot of juice may require more than your average run of the mill power cable. That said, a cable is inert, so it can only do so much.

Both.

How many tests have you done with $100,000 audio systems to back up your claims?

There are a few guys here with systems I dream about, and every one of them has high-dollar speaker interconnects in use.

I get a kick out of all you guys who read shit on the internet, then run around screaming that this cable and that cable are overpriced "snake oil", when most of you will never drive by a house with a system worthy of such a blind test, let alone hear one.

[repete66211]

How many tests have you done with $100,000 audio systems to back up your claims?

I haven't done any, but if I did I would be sure it was a double-blind test. How many double-blind tests have you done? How many double-blind tests have been conducted at all? What were the results?

There are a few guys here with systems I dream about, and every one of them has high-dollar speaker interconnects in use.

If I had hundreds of thousands of dollars to throw around I would probably buy some pretty, overpriced cables too. This doesn't mean they would perform any better than something that costs a lot less.

I get a kick out of all you guys who read shit on the internet, then run around screaming that this cable and that cable are overpriced "snake oil"...

As long as there are people who fall for the flim flam there will be snake oil salesmen out there selling it.

Let's look at those Pear Cables. Are you familiar with their run-in with James Randi? He offered them $1,000,000 if Michael Fremer (Stereophile editor) could demonstrate that he could tell the difference between their cables and another set of much less expensive cables (Monster, also overpriced). Imagine the bragging rights Pear would have if they won this challenge. Well they didn't, choosing to back out rather than take any chances. What does that tell you? It tells me they lack confidence that their cables do anything more than other less expensive cables. But that's always the case with peddlers of flim-flam. They make all sorts of (usually untestable) claims and then bug out when it comes time to put up or shut up.

[SDBlu]

Originally Posted by repete66211

Hey, in a world of Pear Anjou cables anything is possible. It doesn't surprise me a bit. Some guys will spend hundreds of dollars on a POWER CABLE and swear by its performance.

I just ordered three of these! Nice Find! This should be in the Hot Deals Section

JK

[st4evr]

Wow what a waste of money that is. Only 6.6FT? Dude.....

[JimShaw]

Cost more then 100 times what my 6 ft cost from Monoprice.

This must mean that it will give my picture and sound a much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much better PQ and AQ.

[Halcro 1]

Originally Posted by JimShaw

Cost more then 100 times what my 6 ft cost from Monoprice.

This must mean that it will give my picture and sound a much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much better PQ and AQ.

Well in the world of HDMI cable their is no difference between cheapie and big dollar cables ... but in speaker cables and innerconncts their is a difference except for the Uber big buck cables (waste)...But you Jim why do you have a 2000 dollar BDP and a SVS 13 sub to quote you .Im shure the BDP you have isnt much x9 better that a 250 dollar panny BDP or a cheaper sub than whay you have ...Im not trying to argue with anyone but people are quick to judge the big dollar stuff and call it a waste and really never heard or saw what it is capabable of... My .02

[Halcro 1]

Originally Posted by xneox

Both.

How many tests have you done with $100,000 audio systems to back up your claims?

There are a few guys here with systems I dream about, and every one of them has high-dollar speaker interconnects in use.

I get a kick out of all you guys who read shit on the internet, then run around screaming that this cable and that cable are overpriced "snake oil", when most of you will never drive by a house with a system worthy of such a blind test, let alone hear one.

+1

[JimShaw]

Originally Posted by Halcro 1

Well in the world of HDMI cable their is no difference between cheapie and big dollar cables ... but in speaker cables and innerconncts their is a difference except for the Uber big buck cables (waste)...But you Jim why do you have a 2000 dollar BDP and a SVS 13 sub to quote you .Im shure the BDP you have isnt much x9 better that a 250 dollar panny BDP or a cheaper sub than whay you have ...Im not trying to argue with anyone but people are quick to judge the big dollar stuff and call it a waste and really never heard or saw what it is capabable of... My .02

So, what are you saying?? I should at least try a higher end HDMI cable?

[Halcro 1]

Originally Posted by JimShaw

So, what are you saying?? I should at least try a higher end HDMI cable?

Nope but

you seem to be insulting big dollar cables in general

[JimShaw]

Originally Posted by Halcro 1

Nope but

you seem to be insulting big dollar cables in general

I am not an expert in cables but if a high end, $400, 6 foot HDMI cable produces the same quality as a $3.55 Cat 2 1.3 cable then they need to be insulted.

[repete66211]

Originally Posted by Halcro 1

Well in the world of HDMI cable their is no difference between cheapie and big dollar cables ... but in speaker cables and innerconncts their is a difference except for the Uber big buck cables (waste)...But you Jim why do you have a 2000 dollar BDP and a SVS 13 sub to quote you .Im shure the BDP you have isnt much x9 better that a 250 dollar panny BDP or a cheaper sub than whay you have ...Im not trying to argue with anyone but people are quick to judge the big dollar stuff and call it a waste and really never heard or saw what it is capabable of... My .02

You're really not comparing apples to apples here. There are far more moving parts in a sub or a Blu-ray player than there is in an HDMI cable. There are elements of design, engineering, power transfer, video and audio processing, etc. Cables, on the other hand, are inert. They do nothing but transfer a signal from one place to another. That said, there is such a thing as a bad cable. Not all HDMI cables work well, but a VERY expensive cable will work no better than an inexpensive cable that meets a basic standard of performance. This doesn't mean you can't spend more on pretty cable jackets and polychrome connectors, but aesthetic design elements do nothing to increase actual performance, right?

[Halcro 1]

Originally Posted by JimShaw

I am not an expert in cables but if a high end, $400, 6 foot HDMI cable produces the same quality as a $3.55 Cat 2 1.3 cable then they need to be insulted.

I agree with you 100% but be perpaired to defend your 2000 dollar blu-ray player ... In another web forum I got flamed big time by saying the Sony ES-5000 was at the time the best PQ/AQ BDP Ive ever seen....thats all ...People flame for alot of things they dont have or have any knowlege of...I could ask you why you spent 7x the price on your BDP over my 60GB PS3 ...

[JimShaw]

Originally Posted by Halcro 1

Well in the world of HDMI cable their is no difference between cheapie and big dollar cables ... but in speaker cables and innerconncts their is a difference dollar BDP and a SVS 13 sub to quote you .Im shure the BDP you have isnt much x9 bexcept for the Uber big buck cables (waste)...But you Jim why do you have a 2000 etter that a 250 dollar panny BDP or a cheaper sub than whay you have ...Im not trying to argue with anyone but people are quick to judge the big dollar stuff and call it a waste and really never heard or saw what it is capabable of... My .02

What is odd about Halcro1's posts is that he also agrees that in the world of HDMI cable their is no difference between cheapie and big dollar cables then complains that I am insulting big dollar cables in general.

First of all this thread was not about big dollar cables in general. It was about HDMI cables. Therefore, I am not insulting high end cables in general only HDMI cables that are over priced and take advantage of people that have just purchased their first HDTV and under pressure of the sales person purchase a $100 HDMI cable were as a $3.50 cable would have been perfect.

My .02

[JimShaw]

Originally Posted by Halcro 1

I agree with you 100% but be perpaired to defend your 2000 dollar blu-ray player ... In another web forum I got flamed big time by saying the Sony ES-5000 was at the time the best PQ/AQ BDP Ive ever seen....thats all ...People flame for alot of things they dont have or have any knowlege of...I could ask you why you spent 7x the price on your BDP over my 60GB PS3 ...

I had no need for a 60GB PS3. I don't game.

My button is "sound" I love high quality sound. I felt the Marantz was the best unit for that purpose. I run a mulit-channel system and use HDMI for picture only.