HD DVD Group: "We're Outselling Blu-ray In Europe"

[Pestilence]

"The figures does not include Playstation 3 sales."

Don't worry about this so called article, Xbots/HD DVD Fanbois love to discount PS3 sales. I think its a concerted effort to ignore the problem (the PS3) in hopes that it goes away. Delusion at its finest.

[Helicon]

The numbers are still so small, that it doesn't matter.

It's maybe 20.000 HD-DVD players vs. 5.000 Blu-ray

These numbers mean nothing......

+ we have a least 500.000 PS3's

Soon the first player will be released from SONY

[Shin-Ra]

PS3 STARTER PACK ANNOUNCED FOR EUROPE

“With sell through of over 1.2 million units in the SCEE territories to date ..."

[Blu-Ray Buckeye]

Originally Posted by babyBlu

I'm so used to this by now that it doesn't even bother me. I'm with you, the most important number is discs sold, that tells the true story. Ignore the PS3, don't ignore it, I don't care. Just tell me which format has sold more disks and I'll tell you who is winning.

They can ignore it if they want to. However if they do then they CANNOT include it when they calculate that little "attach rate" stat they like so much. If you don't include the PS3 then Blu-ray has an insane attache rate.

[blackpixels]

Originally Posted by gandley

even worse when you consider the blu ray players in europe have only been the panasonic BD10 and samsung BD1000 units. No sony players, no pioneer players. In the UK we are only just about to get the Sony S1.

All the while the toshiba players have been much cheaper with the E1 being actually quite cheap from some retailers.

Dam things just aint selling at the mo, mind you HDTV is only just starting to pick up some sort of trot.

Ah, it's becoming clearer now why the schew in numbers. I believe that in time this will most definately change. Just seems they're (the industry push that is) behind the curve a bit at this time. Not to mention the uncounted PS3 sales.

[MasterXeus]

Originally Posted by shadblz

hey guys,

I have had it so far with Microsoft and Toshiba, first of all GTA 4 will be limited in both PS3 and XBOX 360 (BECAUSE THE XBOX IS LIMITED). then Toshiba still claiming to sell more players (Now in Europe) than Bluray and of course not counting the PS3. Something got to be done about that. the Bluray promotional group got to do something about that.

http://www.dvdtown.com/news/hd-dvd-o...in-europe/4598

You have to also blame Rockstar for GTA4 being Limited since they want to make it for Xbox 360.

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

"The figures does not include Playstation 3 sales."

Don't worry about this so called article, Xbots/HD DVD Fanbois love to discount PS3 sales. I think its a concerted effort to ignore the problem (the PS3) in hopes that it goes away. Delusion at its finest.

They love to include the PS/3: When they talk about attach rates (usually in the same press message or press release).

Ah, intellectual honesty.

[groovyone]

Originally Posted by Shin-Ra

PS3 STARTER PACK ANNOUNCED FOR EUROPE

That is what I bought my first day of PS3 ownership! The deck, extra controller, Resistance and Motorstorm, although I added Casino Royale.

[dialog_gvf]

€599? That's pretty good for Europe, isn't it? £399?

Traditionally we don't expect to get a great deal here in Canada. But, the PS/3 has been an exception. It's now CAD$549 (US$525/€380/£260)

Gary

[Shin-Ra]

Same price as before but two extra games and an extra controller.

[Lord_Stewie]

what i can't understand is this. If more hd dvd players are sold that would mean thier movies should be selling way than BD. but its the other way around...more hd players sold, but more BD movies sold. like i said it before, it doesn't make any sense.

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by Shin-Ra

Same price as before but two extra games and an extra controller.

Retail here would be about CAD$200 for two games ($69 each) and a controller ($59). How about there?

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by shadblz

what i can't understand is this. If more hd dvd players are sold that would mean thier movies should be selling way than BD. but its the other way around...more hd players sold, but more BD movies sold. like i said it before, it doesn't make any sense.

They aren't including PS/3 usage. They are comparing strictly stand-alones.

There is still an underlying opinion that once the gaming becomes awesome on the PS/3, the usage for movies will drop away. But, obviously stand-alone owners are interested specifically in movies.

But, it ignores those who have purchased (and will continue to purchase) the PS/3 as a future-proof player (I'd estimate at least 5% of sales). Pure gamers buying movie discs is gravy.

Gary

[Shin-Ra]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

Retail here would be about CAD$200 for two games ($69 each) and a controller ($59). How about there?

Online retailer: £30 each for the games and £30 for the extra SIXAXIS = £90 / $183 (US)

Highstreet retailer: £40 each for the games and £35 for the extra SIXAXIS = £115 / $234 (US)