best plasma tv for Blu-ray?

[ss218]

im hearing the g10 has jaggering and flickering problems.. what plasma is going to look better than my sammy lna46550? in the 1k ish range

[HiDefRev]

For $1,000 ??? The best you are going to get MIGHT be the Panny G10. But, unless prices continue to drop after Christmas, it's going to be the Panny S1. The G10 and S1 work fine at 60Hz with the 3:2 pulldown. You might be thinking of the V10, which has been reported as having flicker problems at 48Hz, but none at 96Hz.

[crackinhedz]

ss218, in your price range...I would not worry a whole lot about 24fps. (48Hz mode for the G10)

The G10 is the best tv you will find for that price. Plasma is the best experience for Bluray. Regardless of the 24fps feature.

I mean, youve been watching 60hz 3:2 pulldown for the last decade...im sure youve never had a problem or even noticed it.


My $.02 - get the G10.

[crackinhedz]

If you can find a Pioneer PDP-5020 in the 1000 ish range, that would be a better buy....but if not, the G10.

[JJ]

Originally Posted by crackinhedz

If you can find a Pioneer PDP-5020 in the 1000 ish range, that would be a better buy....but if not, the G10.

Eric, where the heck are these 5020s in that range, so I can buy another?

[ss218]

thanks guys

ok, so plasmas dont have the whole refreshing thing and its hard to compare hz. but will the g10 look as smooth as a 120hz lcd?

[wafi]

Originally Posted by JJxiv1215

Eric, where the heck are these 5020s in that range, so I can buy another?

Yeah where does one find 5020s for 1K?

[crackinhedz]

Originally Posted by JJxiv1215

Eric, where the heck are these 5020s in that range, so I can buy another?

well I figured these being older models perhaps someone sells them reasonable...

[Ambien Gnome]

Originally Posted by HiDefRev

The G10 and S1 work fine at 60Hz with the 3:2 pulldown.

Wait, huh?
60hz plasma? Plasmas do the 3:2 pulldown? Ok now I'm confused.

[lojack1976]

Originally Posted by Ambien Gnome

Wait, huh?
60hz plasma? Plasmas do the 3:2 pulldown? Ok now I'm confused.

Yes, there are plasmas that do. If I'm not mistaken all current Samsung plasmas are 96hz, but both Panasonic and LG still make plasmas that do 3:2 pull down at 60hz. The G10 has a 48hz mode for 2:2 which is more ideal for 24p performance, but some people are bothered by the flicker at this lower refresh rate. The V10 of course has a 96hz 4:4 mode which prevents the flicker. All entry level Panasonic sets below the G10 utilize 3:2 pull down.

[Ambien Gnome]

Originally Posted by lojack1976

All entry level Panasonic sets below the G10 utilize 3:2 pull down.

Oh boy am I lost.
I only thought the 60hz lcds utilize 3:2 pulldown, because they had to.
I didn't think any plasmas had to utilize this feature, because plasmas are not 60hz.

[lojack1976]

Originally Posted by Ambien Gnome

Oh boy am I lost.
I only thought the 60hz lcds utilize 3:2 pulldown, because they had to.
I didn't think any plasmas had to utilize this feature, because plasmas are not 60hz.

No, there are plenty of plasmas that are 60hz. You are probably thinking about the advertised 600hz sub-field that manufacturers are stating which is something totally different. It has to do more with motion resolution, but its really just a marketing point. Plasmas have never had motion problems.

The difference between LCDs and plasmas are not just about the refresh rates, but also the response times. The reason you see LCDs with 120hz, 240hz, and the upcoming 480hz refresh rates is to give better motion resolution and make up for the disadvantage that LCD's have with response time. Of course these higher refresh rates are also desirable for 24p playback to eliminate judder as well.

Plasmas have such fast response times that motion isn't a problem which is why you never see plasmas with motion blur like you can see with LCDs. Plasma response times are a tiny fraction of a millisecond while the best LCDs are around 2ms.

As far as 24p playback goes, or movies shot at 24 frames per second to be precise, a multiple of 24 is desirable for the best results. Since most TV's refresh at 60hz you have to use 3:2 pull down since 60 is not a multiple of 24. This results in judder, but a set like the G10 which refreshes at 48hz will produce no judder although at this lower refresh rate some people will see a flicker.

Pioneer sets are 72hz, a multiple of 24, so there will be no judder nor will there be a flicker. Samsung sets are 96hz and the Panasonic V10 and Z1 are both 96hz so these will not produce judder or a flicker either. 60hz LCDs of course use 3:2 pull down so they will produce judder, but 120hz and 240hz sets don't since these are multiples of 24. Like I said before, there are plenty of plasmas that refresh at 60hz including all of the entry level Panasonic and LG sets.

[jshannon]

I got the 54" G10 about 4 months ago. It's been great right out of the box. I just started adjusting the setup recently, since it should be broken in by now, and I couldn't be any happier with this set. I got it from Amazon for around $1600.