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[eli1277]

Other than the Greedo thing and Hayden being in the end of 6 I like the SE and can't wait for them to eventually be released on BD.

[Warbler]

Originally Posted by Beast

He knows what the fans think. But he's the creator, so his rights prevail.

tell me something, if Da Vinci can back from the dead and said he wanted to paint a big red X over the Mona Lisa, should people at the Louvre let him do it?

Originally Posted by Beast

Sure sure, heard that so many times before. But you guys are still the first fanboys running to the store on release day to buy the movie. All giddy and wetting your jeans in anticipation. It's all talk.

for some it is, but not for me. I have not bought a single one of his DVD releases nor purchased any of the soundtracks, and I will not until the OOT is given the respect it deserves .

Originally Posted by Beast

He's not asking anyone to spend money on anything.

lets see, he's creating releasing it on DVD(and probably soon on Blu-ray), slapping a price tag on it and putting it in stores. I think you can define that as asking people to spend money on it.

Originally Posted by Beast

He's simply releasing them. It's your choice whether to buy them or not.

in other words, he's asking us to spend our money them.

Originally Posted by Beast

And again, you don't have a say in what gets released. The only say you get is whether or not you plunk down your money for what is released. And I hardly think a few fanboys having a tizzy is going to have a major impact on sales. The movies are gonna sell huge, like they always do, no matter what a few fans choose to do.

maybe, maybe not. We'll see.

Originally Posted by Beast

Because, the final VHS release was touted as the last time time the original cuts would ever be released on Home Video again. I applauded his choice, and felt he should have stuck by that.

why? you keep saying they are his movies and he can do what he wants with them. If he chooses to change his mind why would you be against it. It would still be him doing what he wants with his movies.

Originally Posted by Beast

Thankfully the versions that did get released were old Laserdisc encodes, so they weren't super high quality.

thankfully? that just doesn't make sense to me at all. Why would you or anyone be thankfully for a release that WASN'T of super high quality? How can you possibly think that is a good thing?

Originally Posted by Beast

And again, I doubt he cares.

if he doesn't care, he doesn't care. I still try and he still won't get my money.

Originally Posted by Beast

And good for him. He shouldn't knuckle under to the fanboys.

what you call "knuckle under to the fanboys", I call listening to your customer base.

btw, I and other OOT fans will not "knuckle under to" the Lucas fanboys either.

[Jellybeans]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

I have to go with the I don't care option. I actualy enjoy the Special Edition as they are. Ok the Han/Geedo thing is a little silly cause it make's no sense that Geedo would make a shot that badly from less then 3 feet away but once again I don't really care.

I have the original version on laserdisc and if I truly wanted to see them I am sure I could go and find myself a new laserdisc player somewhere now that mine is dead. I have the original on DVD that were release 5 years ago and they are from the master on the laserdisc. So when I feel nostalgic each May, I watch those version from May 21 on and I recall the good old days. That is pretty much enough for me.

Now I just want Star Wars to be release on BD in a nice ultra/mega set with all 6 episodes, 1000 hours of extra features, Empire Of Dreams documentary in BD and I will be a very happy fan.

I'd also like to have a poster of Padme Amidala in her Attack Of The Clones outfit!

[jadedeath]

Originally Posted by Warbler

it gives me the say in whether I buy or not. If he wants to sell it to me, he better release it the way I want.

Do you own massive amounts of stock in Lucasfilm or ILM?

If not:

Then you don't have a say in anything he does.

Logan

[Beast]

Originally Posted by eli1277

Other than the Greedo thing and Hayden being in the end of 6 I like the SE and can't wait for them to eventually be released on BD.

I actually think the Hayden thing makes way more sense than Old Man Anakin.

If as Yoda says... "Luminous Beings Are We, Not this Crude Matter" why would Anakin be constrained to the physical appearance of the fllesh. Especially a face that he doesn't know or recognize. If Obi-Wan is fully capable of manifesting as a ghost who isn't cut in half. And Anakin can manifest with all his limbs and hair in a costume he never wore, why can't he choose to look like the man he remembers himself being. Especially if you go with Obi-Wan's "Point of View" that Anakin Skywalker did die when he became Darth Vader.

[jadedeath]

Originally Posted by Warbler

tell me something, if Da Vinci can back from the dead and said he wanted to paint a big red X over the Mona Lisa, should people at the Louvre let him do it?

You're comparing Lucas to DaVinci?

I'll have what you're having, because apparently it's some DAMN good stuff...

for some it is, but not for me. I have not bought a single one of his DVD releases nor purchased any of the soundtracks, and I will not until the OOT is given the respect it deserves .

By being updated to the special editions?

lets see, he's creating releasing it on DVD(and probably soon on Blu-ray), slapping a price tag on it and putting it in stores. I think you can define that as asking people to spend money on it.

In that you're correct... something about a blind squirrel finding a nut once in awhile comes to mind though.

in other words, he's asking us to spend our money them.

And...?

why? you keep saying they are his movies and he can do what he wants with them. If he chooses to change his mind why would you be against it. It would still be him doing what he wants with his movies.

That's true.

But if you want to use this argument... why would you be against the Special Editions if that's what he wants to do with them?

You can't have it both ways, either you want to play the 'artist' card or you don't... it's that simple. Your original post says {essentially} that you don't want to play the artist card... you want what YOU want and let the artist be damned.

thankfully? that just doesn't make sense to me at all. Why would you or anyone be thankfully for a release that WASN'T of super high quality? How can you possibly think that is a good thing?

Depends on the release.

if he doesn't care, he doesn't care. I still try and he still won't get my money.

Bully for you.

what you call "knuckle under to the fanboys", I call listening to your customer base.

From what I've heard the Special Editions vastly outsold the regular editions on DVD. {even though the regular editions were packaged separately} now if the fanboys wanted to send a message to Lucas... they would have all banded together started a "wank fund" and bought up as many of the regular editions that they could get their hands on. THAT would have sent Lucas a message he would have been able to understand, one of money. Showing him that there was a massive interest in the regular editions {regardless of quality} would have shown him that he should release those editions as well.

btw, I and other OOT fans will not "knuckle under to" the Lucas fanboys either.

Again, bully for you. And this isn't me being a fanboy, it's me fighting against fanboyism.

Seriously, I don't care if he keeps changing them for the next 20 years, Star Wars is Star Wars, so long as it has Luke, Leia, Han and others I couldn't care less about little cosmetic changes that he makes here and there, and there are more than a few people out there that feel the same way.

It's reality check time, the main thing that he'd probably listen to is money. If you got all the Star Wars geeks together at a convention and started raising money to buy the Regular Editions and presented that as part of your petition, it might send him a message.

But then again, it's an online poll... and we all know how well that worked in saving HD-DVD... don't we?

Logan

[Beast]

*Claps for Jadedeath* Well said, my friend.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by eli1277

Other than the Greedo thing and Hayden being in the end of 6 I like the SE and can't wait for them to eventually be released on BD.

Hayden make's more sense being in Return actualy. He's back as a Jedi, Luke saved him in the end. As such he should return as he was 20 years before, as Anakin. The older Anakin we saw in Return originaly never made much sense, he never truly existed afterall.

[Warbler]

Originally Posted by jadedeath

You're comparing Lucas to DaVinci?

I'll have what you're having, because apparently it's some DAMN good stuff...

I'm comparing one artist trying to change his artwork to another trying to do the same thing. I could have easily any one of number of examples of it

Originally Posted by jadedeath

By being updated to the special editions?

by the OOT being released with same audio and picture quality as the SE.

Originally Posted by jadedeath

In that you're correct... something about a blind squirrel finding a nut once in awhile comes to mind though.

please explain.

EDIT: never mind, I figured it out.

Originally Posted by jadedeath

And...?

Beast tried to argue that Lucas wasn't asking us to spend our money. I was refuting that. Also the point is, if Lucas is indeed asking us to spend our money on his product, it would be wise to give a product we wish to buy.

Originally Posted by jadedeath

That's true.

But if you want to use this argument... why would you be against the Special Editions if that's what he wants to do with them?

You can't have it both ways, either you want to play the 'artist' card or you don't... it's that simple.

it was beast who first "played the artist card". He then said he was upset that Lucas changed his mind and released OOT as a bonus feature with the SE. I ask how can he possibly be upset about that if he wants to "play the artist card"?

Originally Posted by jadedeath

Your original post says {essentially} that you don't want to play the artist card... you want what YOU want and let the artist be damned.

that is not true at all. I want him to release whatever version of his movie he likes. I just want the original released as well.

Originally Posted by jadedeath

Depends on the release.

please explain.

Originally Posted by jadedeath

From what I've heard the Special Editions vastly outsold the regular editions on DVD. {even though the regular editions were packaged separately} now if the fanboys wanted to send a message to Lucas... they would have all banded together started a "wank fund" and bought up as many of the regular editions that they could get their hands on. THAT would have sent Lucas a message he would have been able to understand, one of money. Showing him that there was a massive interest in the regular editions {regardless of quality} would have shown him that he should release those editions as well.

except that the OOT fans didn't like the way they were released. They were just copies of the Laserdisc, and they were non-anamorphic. We do not want to send the message that we approve of that. We think the audio and video should be equal to that of the SE.

Originally Posted by jadedeath

Again, bully for you. And this isn't me being a fanboy, it's me fighting against fanboyism.

maybe for you it is. But encountered others who were clearly Lucas fanboys.

Originally Posted by jadedeath

Seriously, I don't care if he keeps changing them for the next 20 years, Star Wars is Star Wars, so long as it has Luke, Leia, Han and others I couldn't care less about little cosmetic changes that he makes here and there, and there are more than a few people out there that feel the same way.

bully for you. but there are more than a few people out that do care. Therefore, give people the choice.

Originally Posted by jadedeath

It's reality check time, the main thing that he'd probably listen to is money. If you got all the Star Wars geeks together at a convention and started raising money to buy the Regular Editions and presented that as part of your petition, it might send him a message.

yes it would send him a message that we approve of the OOT being in laserdisc quality and being non-anamorphic. Again, that is not the message we want to send.

Originally Posted by jadedeath

But then again, it's an online poll... and we all know how well that worked in saving HD-DVD... don't we?

I didn't know there was such a poll. I don't disagree that there is good chance the our petition will fail. We are still going to do what we can.

[Warbler]

Originally Posted by Beast

Especially if you go with Obi-Wan's "Point of View" that Anakin Skywalker did die when he became Darth Vader.

if Anakin died then, just who was the guy that tossed the Emperor down the death star shaft? and who was the guy that told Luke to take off his mask and told Luke to tell his sister "you were right about me"?

[sfmarine]

[Warbler]

Originally Posted by jadedeath

Do you own massive amounts of stock in Lucasfilm or ILM?

If not:

Then you don't have a say in anything he does.

Logan

no, but I do have a say in whether or not he gets my money.

Originally Posted by sfmarine

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[jadedeath]

Originally Posted by Warbler

I'm comparing one artist trying to change his artwork to another trying to do the same thing. I could have easily any one of number of examples of it

You might want to try again then, citing someone who died hundreds of years ago and not only the copyright but the possession of the final works have changed hands coming back to life and wanting to change their art is kinda silly.

by the OOT being released with same audio and picture quality as the SE.

It was, it was updated to the SE, it's nobodies fault that you don't like it.

Beast tried to argue that Lucas wasn't asking us to spend our money. I was refuting that. Also the point is, if Lucas is indeed asking us to spend our money on his product, it would be wise to give a product we wish to buy.

I already covered that, the SE's outsold the regular editions by a large margin.

Did you not read that part of my post?

it was beast who first "played the artist card". He then said he was upset that Lucas changed his mind and released OOT as a bonus feature with the SE. I ask how can he possibly be upset about that if he wants to "play the artist card"?

You played the artist card at the beginning of the post with DaVinci.

At this point your arguments are not only contradictory but getting rather silly.

that is not true at all. I want him to release whatever version of his movie he likes. I just want the original released as well.

That's not up to you, as an artist he can release whatever version that he wants, you HAVE the option of getting the originals, you just have to get laserdisk and VHS. Have fun.

except that the OOT fans didn't like the way they were released. They were just copies of the Laserdisc, and they were non-anamorphic. We do not want to send the message that we approve of that. We think the audio and video should be equal to that of the SE.

I have given you plenty of ideas in order to get what you want, you refuse to even attempt to try any of them. Instead you decide to stew in your own anger about something that an online petition simply will not change.

You have nobody to blame here but yourself, I'm sorry to say.

bully for you. but there are more than a few people out that do care. Therefore, give people the choice.

They do have a choice, buy the finished product, or don't buy it at all and enjoy the VHS versions.

yes it would send him a message that we approve of the OOT being in laserdisc quality and being non-anamorphic. Again, that is not the message we want to send.

Further proof that you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

When movies come out on DVD, most times they just come out on DVD, and later on a Special Edition is released when the DVD sales are good.

Since you're refusing to purchase the regular one, why would {after looking at the money brought in by them} Lucas want to release a better copy of it after the first one didn't make him any money?

I didn't know there was such a poll. I don't disagree that there is good chance the our petition will fail. We are still going to do what we can.

No, you're not. You're refusing to use any number of other options available to you because they would cost money. If you refuse to even put money into something that you REALLY want, then no online petition in the world will ever help you with that situation.

Logan

[Diesel]

Where is Elvis?

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by Diesel

Where is Elvis?

I know I am shock he as not been here yet

[Warbler]

Originally Posted by jadedeath

You might want to try again then, citing someone who died hundreds of years ago and not only the copyright but the possession of the final works have changed hands coming back to life and wanting to change their art is kinda silly.

ok, I will. lets say Lucas decided to only release the movies with a big red X covering the screen throughout all three movies, or lets say he wanted to cgi in a beard on Leia?

Originally Posted by jadedeath

It was, it was updated to the SE, it's nobodies fault that you don't like it.

no it wasn't. that's the OOT. We want movies with same picture and audio quality as the SE without the changes the SE has in it.

Originally Posted by jadedeath

I already covered that, the SE's outsold the regular editions by a large margin.

Did you not read that part of my post?

I have read your posts, I'm starting to wonder if you've read mine. my point wasn't about which outsold which, it was about refuting beast's argument that Lucas wasn't asking us to buy his product.

Originally Posted by jadedeath

You played the artist card at the beginning of the post with DaVinci.

no, I was refuting beast's playing of it.

Originally Posted by jadedeath

At this point your arguments are not only contradictory but getting rather silly.

I was thinking the same about your posts.

Originally Posted by jadedeath

That's not up to you, as an artist he can release whatever version that he wants, you HAVE the option of getting the originals, you just have to get laserdisk and VHS. Have fun.

this is just plain silly coming from someone who is a member of a forum devoted to blu-ray. Clearly VHS and laserdisc can't hold a candle to blu-ray when it comes to picture and audio quality.

Originally Posted by jadedeath

I have given you plenty of ideas in order to get what you want, you refuse to even attempt to try any of them. Instead you decide to stew in your own anger about something that an online petition simply will not change.

you've given me one idea, not plenty. I've already told you why that won't work and why we won't do that. I'm not "stewing in my own anger" I've signed a supported an online petition, refused to give Lucas my money, and I'm trying to let as many people as I can know about the petition.

Originally Posted by jadedeath

They do have a choice, buy the finished product, or don't buy it at all and enjoy the VHS versions.

I don't call that much a choice. Lucas can releasing both the OOT and the SE on blu-ray in equal sound and picture quality would be a much better choice, wouldn't it?

Originally Posted by jadedeath

Further proof that you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

When movies come out on DVD, most times they just come out on DVD, and later on a Special Edition is released when the DVD sales are good.

they didn't just come out on DVD. Lucas first release the SE on DVD, then after he dragged his feet, he release the OOT as bonus feature with the SE. I doubt simply buying the SE with OOT on it would have made him release OOT with equal picture and audio quality as the SE. Especially since Lucas made it clear he didn't want to do that.

Originally Posted by jadedeath

Since you're refusing to purchase the regular one, why would {after looking at the money brought in by them} Lucas want to release a better copy of it after the first one didn't make him any money?

I'm not just refusing to purchase the "regular" edition(which is a misnomer since its really the SE with the OOt with inferior audio and video included). I'm also refusing to buy the PT, and soundtracks and any other product sold by Lucas. I've also signed a petition telling him why he's not getting my money. As to why he'd want to release a better copy. Maybe it might occur to him that that reason he didn't sell many copies of the "regular" edition was because it had inferior sound and audio as compared to the SE and that it was non-anamorphic?

Originally Posted by jadedeath

No, you're not. You're refusing to use any number of other options available to you because they would cost money. If you refuse to even put money into something that you REALLY want, then no online petition in the world will ever help you with that situation.

again, you've given me one suggestion and I've told you why it won't work. if you have any more suggestions, I'm willing to listen.

Originally Posted by Diesel

Where is Elvis?

is that the name of another forum member? if not, I fail to see what Elvis Presley has to do with this.

[TheForce8686]

I like the special editions. The more cool stuff he adds the better.

[Warbler]

that's fine, I respect that. I just wish he's release the originals as well.

[Hi-Def Steve]

He did.