Possible SteelBook™ Re-releases and Discussion

[apsmith21]

Originally Posted by jwbbud

The Patriot and Tears of the Sun are New

Yeah, I should have clarified my statement - no new ones that were previously MM exclusives.

[lewwyt]

i agree with the majority of the forum members, as much as i'd love to get my hands on the rarer steelies, they will decrease in value so much if they were to re-release them, and they just wouldn't be rare anymore!

[D-Blitz]

I am against re-releases 100%. It might be a welcome thing for the regular joe, but for collectors it's uber lame.

[mikeyt912]

So i guess i should just stop trying to find rare steels and just play the waiting game for them to be re-released. sounds like fun....

[mikeyt912]

Originally Posted by d-blitz

i am against re-releases 100%. It might be a welcome thing for the regular joe, but for collectors it's uber lame.

+100,000,000

[apsmith21]

Originally Posted by mikeyt912

So i guess i should just stop trying to find rare steels and just play the waiting game for them to be re-released. sounds like fun....

Unless you're going to buy that rare steel and resell it so you can get MORE steels.

But seriously, I would only jump on something if you can get a bargain...

[lewwyt]

Originally Posted by apsmith21

Unless you're going to buy that rare steel and resell it so you can get MORE steels.

But seriously, I would only jump on something if you can get a bargain...

i love bargain steels

[bigjee]

Originally Posted by frank_051

I was shocked by the title because a Germany Iron Man steelbook has just been sent out to me... for a sky high price...

Yeah i feel bad that you bought it for that high a price. (i was eyeing that copy but didn't buy it in the end)
There are very few German steelbooks that have been re-released in the exact same cover art so you may not entirely be out of luck.

And if ironman is re-released after April close to the launch of Ironman 2 you might just have an FSK-logo free steelbook.

[mr. b]

I guess I'm one of the few here that does not collect SteelBooks for hopes of seeing them increase in value. While I do consider their current value for trade purposes, I have no problems with them being re-released. I know that this will drop the trade/sell value of it, but that is essentially the name of the game when it comes to collecting something. I am more interested in building up my SteelBook collection than paying out the nose for one. I guess if I kept them sealed, then my view would be different since the main reason for collecting them would be for enjoying them in mint, sealed condition, and hopefully seeing them increase in value over time.

[bigjee]

Originally Posted by mr. b

I guess I'm one of the few here that does not collect SteelBooks for hopes of seeing them increase in value. While I do consider their current value for trade purposes, I have no problems with them being re-released. I know that this will drop the trade/sell value of it, but that is essentially the name of the game when it comes to collecting something. I am more interested in building up my SteelBook collection than paying out the nose for one. I guess if I kept them sealed, then my view would be different since the main reason for collecting them would be for enjoying them in mint, sealed condition, and hopefully seeing them increase in value over time.

IMO you don't have to unseal a steelbook to enjoy its true value.
For me leaving it sealed is enough.
If I want to watch the movie properly I buy/rent the amaray since the movie on the inside is the same.
Keeping a steelbook sealed is not the same as collecting for a profit.

A few members here think that by removing the seal of a steelbook it shows that they aren't collecting to make a profit well that's just incorrect.
You can sell a high value opened/unsealed steelbook for a good profit also.
Just see ebay for the most recent auctions.
e.g IAL opened for $180 US shipped

[mikeyt912]

I just think this totally sucks and takes a bunch of the fun out of it. Limited Steelbooks become very UN-Limited if they get re-released. This is me speaking as a collector.

It would be like if you were a baseball card collector and you spent a long time trying to find say, the T206 Honus Wagner Card (rarest most valuable baseball card) and you finally found it and payed X amount of dollars for it (last one went for $2.6 Million) and then a year or so later they were like, we are re-issuing this card and next thing you know everyone can get it. now your card isn't worth the paper it was printed on.

I know this is way off topic but it just bothers me. sorry

[mr. b]

Originally Posted by bigjee

IMO you don't have to unseal a steelbook to enjoy its true value.
For me leaving it sealed is enough.
If I want to watch the movie properly I buy/rent the amaray since the movie on the inside is the same.
Keeping a steelbook sealed is not the same as collecting for a profit.

A few members here think that by removing the seal of a steelbook it shows that they aren't collecting to make a profit well that's just incorrect.
You can sell a high value opened/unsealed steelbook for a good profit also.
Just see ebay for the most recent auctions.
e.g IAL opened for $180 US shipped

I never said anything about opening them means people are not collecting for profit or that keeping them sealed means they are not enjoying their "true value". I simply stated that if I collected them sealed, then my thought process would be different. I open mine 'cos I only double dip on movies when I have to (disc locked to Region B). Keeping the steelbook sealed means that there is some hope or thought that it will increase in value. If that was not the case, then people that collect them and keep them sealed would not care whether they increase in value or not. I understand the desire to keep them sealed, I've done it with other things I collect. Do I care if the SteelBook increases in value or not, of course I do. That is why I consider it's current trade value when I'm looking at making a trade. Will I be pissed if some OOP SteelBooks get re-released, not too much. I have been collecting something or another for longer than I care to remember, and it is just something that a collector either has to accept or lose sleep over 'cos of the constant fear of this "ruining" their SteelBook Collection Value. For me, I just like the look and feel of the SteelBooks. If they wind up being worth more later, cool, if not, no biggie. If I missed out on one and now it's worth more than I want to pay, then I don't want it, period.

I am aware that even some of the older OOP SteelBooks can command high prices even if they are open. I never said that opening them means they are worthless. I just don't like to put so much thought into how much my collection is worth. I only worry about that when it is something I want to trade out.

Originally Posted by mikeyt912

I just think this totally sucks and takes a bunch of the fun out of it. Limited Steelbooks become very UN-Limited if they get re-released. This is me speaking as a collector.

It would be like if you were a baseball card collector and you spent a long time trying to find say, the T206 Honus Wagner Card (rarest most valuable baseball card) and you finally found it and payed X amount of dollars for it (last one went for $2.6 Million) and then a year or so later they were like, we are re-issuing this card and next thing you know everyone can get it. now your card isn't worth the paper it was printed on.

I know this is way off topic but it just bothers me. sorry

Actually, I think the discussion of re-releasing OOP SteelBooks is what this topic is about, so I guess you can say we are on topic to some extent.

I've never gotten into collecting baseball cards, but I don't think baseball cards and SteelBooks are that similar. Sure, they are both collected, but aren't baseball cards supposed to be printed only once, and then they move on to the next season? Movie releases in general have never followed that pattern. I can understand the logical connection since SteelBooks are always touted and advertised as exclusive and/or limited editions. If Scanavo were to actually decide to refuse to re-print them for Studios, then I could see the similarities to something like baseball cards.

As far as someone paying $2.6 Million on a SINGLE Baseball card, if they had THAT MUCH money to spend on their hobby, they probably wouldn't care too much if it was re-printed. They could just buy all the new re-prints, burn 'em, and *poof* done.

[mikeyt912]

Originally Posted by mr. b

I never said anything about opening them means people are not collecting for profit or that keeping them sealed means they are not enjoying their "true value". I simply stated that if I collected them sealed, then my thought process would be different. I open mine 'cos I only double dip on movies when I have to (disc locked to Region B). Keeping the steelbook sealed means that there is some hope or thought that it will increase in value. If that was not the case, then people that collect them and keep them sealed would not care whether they increase in value or not. I understand the desire to keep them sealed, I've done it with other things I collect. Do I care if the SteelBook increases in value or not, of course I do. That is why I consider it's current trade value when I'm looking at making a trade. Will I be pissed if some OOP SteelBooks get re-released, not too much. I have been collecting something or another for longer than I care to remember, and it is just something that a collector either has to accept or lose sleep over 'cos of the constant fear of this "ruining" their SteelBook Collection Value.

I am aware that even some of the older OOP SteelBooks can command high prices even if they are open. I never said that opening them means they are worthless. I just don't like to put so much thought into how much my collection is worth. I only worry about that when it is something I want to trade out.



Actually, I think the discussion of re-releasing OOP SteelBooks is what this topic is about, so I guess you can say we are on topic to some extent.

I've never gotten into collecting baseball cards, but I don't think baseball cards and SteelBooks are that similar. Sure, they are both collected, but aren't baseball cards supposed to be printed only once, and then they move on to the next season? Movie releases in general have never followed that pattern. I can understand the logical connection since SteelBooks are always touted and advertised as exclusive and/or limited editions. If Scanavo were to actually decide to refuse to re-print them for Studios, then I could see the similarities to something like baseball cards.

As far as someone paying $2.6 Million on a SINGLE Baseball card, if they had THAT MUCH money to spend on their hobby, they probably wouldn't care too much if it was re-printed. They could just buy all the new re-prints, burn 'em, and *poof* done.

i wasn't saying collecting steelbooks and collecting baseball cards are similar. they arent. but they are both hobbies that involve collecting things. i was just using baseball cards as an example

[mr. b]

Originally Posted by mikeyt912

i wasn't saying collecting steelbooks and collecting baseball cards are similar. they arent. but they are both hobbies that involve collecting things. i was just using baseball cards as an example

I think baseball cards is a bad example. I think something that is closer to collecting SteelBooks would be music cd's. They are both media on discs, both have the option to utilize special packaging to make a certain release stand out (and hopefully increase sales), and both have similar patterns of re-releasing OOP items from time to time.

I actually wish Scanavo would realize just how much they are hurting their own collectible market by re-releasing them. While it doesn't bother me as much as others, I understand completely. If some store or studio wanted to do another SteelBook run on a movie that already had a SteelBook release, Scanavo should give the re-release a different look, whether it's different artwork or simply changing the overall color of it, just so that the re-release is differentiated from the first one. Scanavo really needs to look at how other collectible merchandise is done. At least by changing the re-release, Collectors of all sorts will be happy. The "I like mine original and OOP" would be happy, the "I just want that movie in a SteelBook" would be happy, and the stores/studios would be happy (if they all sold that is). I think the OCD'rs might be the only ones not entirely happy by having to buy the same movie again, but at least it would have a different look from the original release. I still think by changing it, though, the demand for the original release would shrink, but I don't think it would drop to insanely cheap prices if the re-release was not an exact match to the first one.

[mikeyt912]

sorry you didnt like my example. i'll think harder next time

[mr. b]

Originally Posted by mikeyt912

sorry you didnt like my example. i'll think harder next time

LOL! Sorry if that came out as offensive, didn't mean for it to. But, yeah, bad example, bad example. (ROFL, J/K!)

[mikeyt912]

haha

[HD 335]

Originally Posted by mr. b

I actually wish Scanavo would realize just how much they are hurting their own collectible market by re-releasing them. While it doesn't bother me as much as others, I understand completely. If some store or studio wanted to do another SteelBook run on a movie that already had a SteelBook release, Scanavo should give the re-release a different look, whether it's different artwork or simply changing the overall color of it, just so that the re-release is differentiated from the first one. Scanavo really needs to look at how other collectible merchandise is done. At least by changing the re-release, Collectors of all sorts will be happy. The "I like mine original and OOP" would be happy, the "I just want that movie in a SteelBook" would be happy, and the stores/studios would be happy (if they all sold that is). I think the OCD'rs might be the only ones not entirely happy by having to buy the same movie again, but at least it would have a different look from the original release. I still think by changing it, though, the demand for the original release would shrink, but I don't think it would drop to insanely cheap prices if the re-release was not an exact match to the first one.

I know you mean well looking out for collectors but the reality is Scavano is in the business to make money. If their client requests a reprint, what position are they to dictate to the client that new artwork must be supplied? Designing new artwork is another cost a client will need factor in and time to produce a new proof will extend the production process and may even incur additonal costs over a reprint run. Differentiating artwork by color also presents a problem in that the client has approved the original artwork/color to certain specifications and not meeting those will require client approval or they may reject the reprint run.

[Craig02]

Picking up on what mr.b said i would have to agree, Im not as serious about collecting steelbooks as some but i do love to pick up as many as i can.

Going back to previous re-releases such as IAL (German) i picked up one of the second printing as i missed the first, I was happy as i missed my chance for it the first time, Looking at that steelbook now the value has dropped dramatically as the artwork is 99% the same as the original (forgetting the sticker inside)

However if you look at the re-release of John Rambo (German) the first printing is still holding its own because the second printing had totally different artwork

That is why i agree with mr.b the best solution overall is if studios feel the need for a re-release only do it if its going to be completely different artwork

Craig

[bandapart]

Originally Posted by mr. b

I think baseball cards is a bad example. I think something that is closer to collecting SteelBooks would be music cd's. They are both media on discs, both have the option to utilize special packaging to make a certain release stand out (and hopefully increase sales), and both have similar patterns of re-releasing OOP items from time to time.

I actually wish Scanavo would realize just how much they are hurting their own collectible market by re-releasing them. While it doesn't bother me as much as others, I understand completely. If some store or studio wanted to do another SteelBook run on a movie that already had a SteelBook release, Scanavo should give the re-release a different look, whether it's different artwork or simply changing the overall color of it, just so that the re-release is differentiated from the first one. Scanavo really needs to look at how other collectible merchandise is done. At least by changing the re-release, Collectors of all sorts will be happy. The "I like mine original and OOP" would be happy, the "I just want that movie in a SteelBook" would be happy, and the stores/studios would be happy (if they all sold that is). I think the OCD'rs might be the only ones not entirely happy by having to buy the same movie again, but at least it would have a different look from the original release. I still think by changing it, though, the demand for the original release would shrink, but I don't think it would drop to insanely cheap prices if the re-release was not an exact match to the first one.

Scanavo only fills their customer orders for the shell to hold the final product. The decisions for artwork and other detail is made by the customer, whether an original or a re-release.

Scanavo doesn't have a "collectible market", retailers, studios, owners of the intellectual property, consumers, et al, establish whether the final product is "collectible".

Scanavo can only provide a quality product, provide input to it's customers and make other decisions to insure their future growth, strength and profitability.

The market needs to consider designs like the FS Iron-Man Blu-Ray Steelbook release.

Eye candy sells.

Having a great film inside doesn't hurt either.