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movies3 · 08-13-2007, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by CYMBOL

Any links?

they stated that MGS4 would use all 50gb of disk space at E3 this yr.

darkpoet25 · 08-13-2007, 03:50 AM

If anyone is forcing anything it is M$. They still have systems on the market with the "Red Ring Of Death", and allow these to be sold to consumers. They even state the reason they send out a refurbished system is that the new ones will cause the same problem? Not to mention if you own a PC they will stop supporting Windows XP by January and then you will "have" to buy Vistas, which I know people at work who bought it and said it was crap. To top it all off Halo3 will be a two disc game due to space limitations. We won't ever have to worry about that BS.

CYMBOL · 08-13-2007, 04:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by movies3

they stated that MGS4 would use all 50gb of disk space at E3 this yr.

Oh man! Even Blu-ray's not enough!!!

Looks like they needed to "force" something bigger on us.

Oh well, I'm sure when the Terabyte disc comes out with the PS4, the 360 will start using HD DVD technology.

Take it easy,

seahawksrule · 08-13-2007, 08:12 AM

They are working on a 200gb blu-ray so not to worry.

helli3yte · 08-13-2007, 05:12 PM

yeah but to read 200gb you would need a special blu ray player that could read through 8 layers which the current ones do not. furthermore the more layers you achieve the higher probability of failure that incurs. so thats why sony is using 50 gb max for this system. who knows maybe 5 years from now when the failure rate is extremely low and theyve perfected it, then it will come out for consumers to use for data backup and what not. it would probably take you a whole day to burn one disc. **** that.

Musashi · 08-13-2007, 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CYMBOL

Oh man! Even Blu-ray's not enough!!!

Looks like they needed to "force" something bigger on us.

Oh well, I'm sure when the Terabyte disc comes out with the PS4, the 360 will start using HD DVD technology.

Take it easy,

If I'm a make a prediction here: I think the PS4 will be BD-based like the PS3, but with a special laser allowing for up to 6-layers to be read. Individual games will be from 1 layer up to 6 depending on what's needed.

We'll see what actually happens, but my guess's as good as any.

supersix4 · 08-13-2007, 05:31 PM

I dont even think they have had time to master the full features that single blu-ray disks offer ... PS4 lol... I think the ps3 age starts when we see killzone mgs4

... ps4 999$ and for 1200$ you can buy a transforming version that when you need a drink will walk to the fridge and get it

CptGreedle · 08-13-2007, 05:57 PM

But would said 200 Gig BD work in a PS3? Wouldn't it need some kind of physical upgrade?
I know the PS3 games will have more storage than 360, but how much does a 360 have since they aren't using HD-DVDs for the games?

Ascended_Saiyan · 08-14-2007, 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by CptGreedle

But would said 200 Gig BD work in a PS3? Wouldn't it need some kind of physical upgrade?
I know the PS3 games will have more storage than 360, but how much does a 360 have since they aren't using HD-DVDs for the games?

I don't believe a 200GB BD would work in a PS3. I think it might be possible to read a 100GB BD (4 layers) with a firmware update, but I doubt this will happen.

X360 uses DVD9s, which is 8.5GB of storage space.

insom187 · 08-14-2007, 04:58 AM

Its obvious MS has a plan for this problem so it will be interesting to see how ccreative studios can get with getting in under the cap of one DVD. It also sucks developers arent able to be assured that every 360 owner has a harddrive so they cant just assume that either without screwing over their own customers (again). It amazing how many more things the 360 wont be ready for in the next 6-7 years of this generation.

perfect___blue · 08-14-2007, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by cruzzer cruz

I've always found that excuse to be completely ridiculous. "Forcing blu-ray" on us? Nobody is forcing us to buy Blu-ray movies. It's the format of the games and they cost exactly the same as 360 games do on DVD. They sold us a Blu-ray drive and a gaming console in one. The only thing I can think of really being forced upon me is the stupidity of these people.

Blu ray it´s one of those things that bring joy to the eyes and soul

oldmike · 08-14-2007, 05:14 AM

the funny thing is what is sayed about blu-ray was sayed about the PS2
haveing a DVD drive not just a CD

statikcat · 08-14-2007, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CYMBOL

Oh man! Even Blu-ray's not enough!!!

Looks like they needed to "force" something bigger on us.

Oh well, I'm sure when the Terabyte disc comes out with the PS4, the 360 will start using HD DVD technology.

Take it easy,

PS3 will just use multiple discs. I have a feeling MGS4 graphics and content will be one of the biggest on the PS3 period though.

Terjyn · 08-14-2007, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by insom187

It also sucks developers arent able to be assured that every 360 owner has a harddrive

Microsoft just recently announced the addition of the "HD Required" tag to appear on the back of 360 games.

Basically, the core system will be obsolete very very soon.

The core system never should have existed in the first place IMHO. People said Sony should have released both a DVD and a Blu-ray version of the PS3...and this shows exactly why that's such an awful idea.

heathward · 08-14-2007, 02:14 PM

people that put down the PS3 are just pissed cuz they are stuck with a 360 s***box. the Playstation 3 is much more than a blu-ray player and a gaming system. it is the complete entertainment hub

partridge · 08-15-2007, 04:00 PM

http://www.hdtvuk.tv/2007/08/new_xbox_ultima.html

Why? Are they purposefully trying to confuse their own market? I realise there are a couple of PS3 variants, at least in terms of hard drive size, but this will be the 5th distinct console since launch if the rumour is true.

Give it up MS, just concentrate on rescuing the sales that you are losing to Nintendo and Sony. Adding another console won't help.

haushausman · 08-15-2007, 04:56 PM

You think games are big now, wait two years. That's what Sony was thinking.

JTK · 08-15-2007, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by partridge

http://www.hdtvuk.tv/2007/08/new_xbox_ultima.html

Why? Are they purposefully trying to confuse their own market? I realise there are a couple of PS3 variants, at least in terms of hard drive size, but this will be the 5th distinct console since launch if the rumour is true.

Give it up MS, just concentrate on rescuing the sales that you are losing to Nintendo and Sony. Adding another console won't help.

That's just a rumor. HD-DVD is practically dead now and MS forever missed that boat when they didn't include HD-DVD right from the beginning for the 360.

rbelong2us · 08-15-2007, 05:48 PM

This is a interesting thread, here is my take:

I think right now the 360 is a very capable next-gen system. The games look great and play smooth and Live is superior to the Playstation network.

BUT, in a number of years, as developers continue to use new tools and continue to push the size and quality of games, I think we will see the PS3 pull away from the 360. The 360 will show MS lack of foresight in not going with HD-DVD and they will be forced to release a new system using HD-DVD drive (backward compatible of course).

The PS3 will be future-proof for a long time and just like the ps2 each year games will get smoother and more beautiful.

And regardless of who the winner of the format wars is, the PS3 dev kits are in all the developers hands and BD will be used for the PS3 until it is replaced by the next playstation (hopefuly a decade or more). So don't stress about it.

becomingwater · 08-15-2007, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by CYMBOL

I am really curious about how large Warhawk and Heavenly Sword are.

The music alone is 10 Gigs on Heavenly Sword.

Topic already posted about it.
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=13772

08-13-2007, 08:12 AM	#24
seahawksrule New Member Member since:Aug 2007	Not to worry They are working on a 200gb blu-ray so not to worry.

08-13-2007, 05:12 PM	#25
helli3yte Active Member Member since:Nov 2006 Location:Mt.Prospect, IL	yeah but to read 200gb you would need a special blu ray player that could read through 8 layers which the current ones do not. furthermore the more layers you achieve the higher probability of failure that incurs. so thats why sony is using 50 gb max for this system. who knows maybe 5 years from now when the failure rate is extremely low and theyve perfected it, then it will come out for consumers to use for data backup and what not. it would probably take you a whole day to burn one disc. **** that. Last edited by Shin-Ra; 02-02-2008 at 11:21 PM. Reason: swearing

08-14-2007, 02:14 PM	#35
heathward Expert Member Member since:Apr 2007 Location:Milwaukee, WI, USA PSNetwork ID: heathward Dogfish Head 120 Minute IPA Blu-ray collection:47	people that put down the PS3 are just pissed cuz they are stuck with a 360 s**box. the Playstation 3 is much more than a blu-ray player and a gaming system. it is the complete entertainment hub Last edited by Shin-Ra; 08-14-2007 at 05:12 PM. Reason: swearing*

08-15-2007, 04:00 PM	#36
partridge Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Oct 2005 Location:England	yawn, another 360 variant? http://www.hdtvuk.tv/2007/08/new_xbox_ultima.html Why? Are they purposefully trying to confuse their own market? I realise there are a couple of PS3 variants, at least in terms of hard drive size, but this will be the 5th distinct console since launch if the rumour is true. Give it up MS, just concentrate on rescuing the sales that you are losing to Nintendo and Sony. Adding another console won't help.

08-13-2007, 03:50 AM	#22
darkpoet25 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Feb 2007 Location:Indianapolis, IN Home Theater Gallery:45 4K collection:50 Blu-ray collection:297 Blu-ray reviews: 4	If anyone is forcing anything it is M$. They still have systems on the market with the "Red Ring Of Death", and allow these to be sold to consumers. They even state the reason they send out a refurbished system is that the new ones will cause the same problem? Not to mention if you own a PC they will stop supporting Windows XP by January and then you will "have" to buy Vistas, which I know people at work who bought it and said it was crap. To top it all off Halo3 will be a two disc game due to space limitations. We won't ever have to worry about that BS.

08-13-2007, 05:31 PM	#27
supersix4 Blu-ray Archduke Top contributor Member since:Mar 2007 Blu-ray collection:572 Blu-ray reviews: 53 Trading Score:3	I dont even think they have had time to master the full features that single blu-ray disks offer ... PS4 lol... I think the ps3 age starts when we see killzone mgs4 ... ps4 999$ and for 1200$ you can buy a transforming version that when you need a drink will walk to the fridge and get it

08-13-2007, 05:57 PM	#28
CptGreedle Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Sworn super-hero now services Atlanta (and suburbs). Blu-ray collection:128 Blu-ray reviews:5	But would said 200 Gig BD work in a PS3? Wouldn't it need some kind of physical upgrade? I know the PS3 games will have more storage than 360, but how much does a 360 have since they aren't using HD-DVDs for the games?

08-14-2007, 04:58 AM	#30
insom187 Member Member since:Aug 2007	Its obvious MS has a plan for this problem so it will be interesting to see how ccreative studios can get with getting in under the cap of one DVD. It also sucks developers arent able to be assured that every 360 owner has a harddrive so they cant just assume that either without screwing over their own customers (again). It amazing how many more things the 360 wont be ready for in the next 6-7 years of this generation.

08-14-2007, 05:14 AM	#32
oldmike Senior Member Member since:Aug 2007	the funny thing is what is sayed about blu-ray was sayed about the PS2 haveing a DVD drive not just a CD

08-15-2007, 04:56 PM	#37
haushausman Special Member Member since:Jan 2007 Location:Chicago Home Theater Gallery:12 Blu-ray collection:343 Blu-ray reviews: 5	You think games are big now, wait two years. That's what Sony was thinking.

08-15-2007, 05:48 PM	#39
rbelong2us Member Member since:Aug 2007	This is a interesting thread, here is my take: I think right now the 360 is a very capable next-gen system. The games look great and play smooth and Live is superior to the Playstation network. BUT, in a number of years, as developers continue to use new tools and continue to push the size and quality of games, I think we will see the PS3 pull away from the 360. The 360 will show MS lack of foresight in not going with HD-DVD and they will be forced to release a new system using HD-DVD drive (backward compatible of course). The PS3 will be future-proof for a long time and just like the ps2 each year games will get smoother and more beautiful. And regardless of who the winner of the format wars is, the PS3 dev kits are in all the developers hands and BD will be used for the PS3 until it is replaced by the next playstation (hopefuly a decade or more). So don't stress about it.

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