Ive learnt to love the black bars

[Trogdor2010]

That is why you guys should just go with a projector with a 2.35:1 screen and make an anamorphic lens (or use the zoom if the projector allows). I spent less on my whole theater than some of you spent on your TV or even your audio equipment. This is still respectable to the filmmakers intentions, in fact watching it on a projection set up akin to a theater IS the filmmakers intention. I'm loving it

[Trogdor2010]

Originally Posted by STARSCREAM

I hate the black bars. Yes, I like OAR and yes I watch with the black bars still there BUT I still hate them. Would be awesome if they eventually made a tv that could do it's own masking for movies.

A TV that does "scope" movies does exist from Phillips.

http://www.trustedreviews.com/tvs/re...56in-LCD-TV/p1

You can even add shutter curtains on the TV if you really want to (not really though, but you CAN).

[Stu123]

Ive just used the panorama setting on my camera it dosent have a panoramic lens so it takes 3 photos and joins them together and the end result is what youd get on a 2:40.1 movie but the photo was probably even wider though by the look of it.This showed me how much more information a panoramic lens can include and its a big amount.Its worth having the black bars to see all that extra picture.Am i right in thinking a 1:78.1 or 1:85.1 movie isn't filmed with a panoramic lens then? i was watching star trek 3 the other night and Kirk,McCoy and Sulu were stood in a lift side by side facing the camera and i thought that looks great but without the black bars you wouldnt be able to fit them all in and see a shot like that at home unless you had the 21:9 tv of course.Maybe a 2:40.1 movie isnt necessarily filmed with a panoramic lens im sure you'll put me right.

[steve1971]

I also hated black bars on movies but I grew to love them because its that the director of the movie wanted the person to see "everything". You get the full scope of the movie not a cropped version that full screen gives you. Give me black bars anyday.

[volcomsocal]

Originally Posted by Blown 4.3

the black bars blow chunks !!! always hated em !!! you guys can make excusses to like them. i'm not buyin it. the only reason i went projector was to get a larger pic than my 65" dlp could give me. the black bars cause 25%ish of your screen to NOT be used.

i don't have to worry about that now. i shift the image down to the bottom of the screen, and mask the top

Excuse? That's how the movie was shot, with the director making that choice. We're simply watching the movie in it's ORIGINAL FORMAT. When you go to the theaters to watch a movie, is the movie cropped? No, it's shown in it's OAR. When you go fullscreen, you're not getting more picture, you're getting LESS.

Sorry, but there's nothing for you to "buy." Until you understand how movies are supposed to be presented, then you'll always want the inferior "fullscreen."

It's kind of like saying "I love this song!", but only hearing the chorus without ever hearing the intro and verses. You're missing the big picture.

Educate yourself, and you'll realize you've been making a mistake all this time.

[AnimeNut]

I've always been a black bar hater, I like the video to take up as much of the screen as possible without compromising the picture.

[Steel Panther]

I hated them when VHS started coming out with them, and just accepted it as DVD, then started seeing exactly how much more picture I'm getting. Personally, I don't even see them anymore and they don't bother me at all. *shrug* If you pay for a T-Bone Steak and the waiter gives you a Pork Chop, are you happy? That T-Bone is how the director wants you to see it and how it was intended. That Pork Chop while enjoyable at times, is how networks used to air stuff because nobody had the equipment to watch it properly. October 2011, when Star Wars comes out on Blu, if they so choose to use the "Special Editions" (I hope not) but, in Episode IV, one of the "added" scenes, there's some "Sand Dragons" that are like 80% cut off on the Full-Frame. Maybe then people will really see what's missing and what is not and accept that it's far superior to enjoy as intended. Then again, these are probably the same people who stretch the image too.

[Ray O. Blu]

OAR RULES

[Canada]

I was resistant to black bars about 13 years ago on DVD but I had a 20" TV but I got this guy I trusted at A&B sound to tell me.

[Canada]

Originally Posted by ray o. Blu

Oar rules

+1

[Atreyu]

Original aspect ratio is the reason I started buying laserdiscs many moons ago. As I want to see the movie as close to the way they were intented to be seen.

[steve1971]

Black Bars in a movie are what the director intended. You see more of the directors intended vision of the movie. 2 directors that swear by them and use them all the time are Steven Speilberg and James Cameron. Speilberg refuses to make a movie without them according to recent interview.

[BIslander]

Originally Posted by steve1971

Black Bars in a movie are what the director intended. You see more of the directors intended vision of the movie. 2 directors that swear by them and use them all the time are Steven Speilberg and James Cameron. Speilberg refuses to make a movie without them according to recent interview.

I'm not sure what you mean by making movies with black bars. ??

It's funny that Cameron released the 2D version of Avatar in 1.78:1 on disc even though it played in 2.39:1 in theaters. (The theatrical version was actually cropped to create a wide screen output.) Saving Private Ryan is also 1.78:1. No letterboxing on either of those BDs.

[tilallr1]

Originally Posted by BIslander

I'm not sure what you mean by making movies with black bars. ??

It's funny that Cameron released the 2D version of Avatar in 1.78:1 on disc even though it played in 2.39:1 in theaters. (The theatrical version was actually cropped to create a wide screen output.) Saving Private Ryan is also 1.78:1. No letterboxing on either of those BDs.

I think the comment by Spielberg was made during the period when TV's aspect ratio was 1.33:1 or 4:3. Now that TV's aspect ratio is 1.78:1, the comment is irrelevant, since TV's themselves are now widescreen. Especially since, almost all of Spielbergs films are 1.85:1.

Please note that AVATAR was filmed with IMAX cameras and has an OAR (Original Aspect Ratio) of 1.43:1. Therefore the next closest aspect ratio would have been 1.78:1 to be closest to the original presentation. With 2.4:1 too much would have been lost.

[Post Prod]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

What do you mean, "it's own masking"? That's what the black bars are.

Because "black bars" are not actually black. If you have the ability to put in place some masking solution, it will improve perceived contrast greatly.

I've known people to simply have velvet panels/strips that they would afix to the sides of their display with Velcro to achieve this. Obviously a nice self masking screen system like Carada makes is great for front projection, but similar "cheap" methods can be used with big screens as well. I'm not a huge fan of using anamorphic lenses.


I love OAR, but hate "dark gray" bars. I tolerate them because of my love for OAR, but still hate them and will mask whenever possible.

[blujacket]

Originally Posted by BIslander

I'm not sure what you mean by making movies with black bars. ??
Saving Private Ryan is also 1.78:1. No letterboxing on either of those BDs.

Saving Private Ryan is 1.85:1

[BIslander]

Originally Posted by blujacket

Saving Private Ryan is 1.85:1

Yes, 1.85 not 1.78. My mistake. I watched it the other night on a 16:9 set and don't recall seeing any letterboxing.

[pab1219]

U can explain this forever some people just don't want to understand,best we can do is not debate them but show them the difference. Myself i want to see what the director intended to show.

[SDon1969]

Originally Posted by stubiedoo

I admit ive been one of those people who have come on here moaning about the black bars when i first started using the website.I've learnt that wider ratios are better as they show more information,are more detailed and everything dosent look as close to the camera.I think the people who don't like them probably have small sets.Ive even been one of those people who have even distorted the image with using different tv ratio settings but with the help of people in here ive educated myself to know watching a movie in its original ratio with pixel by pixel setting is the only way you should watch it.I now enjoy watching them with the black bars.I would say though to get that real big screen feel with a 2.40:1 movie youd need at least a 52" my 46" feels a bit small with a 2.40:1 movie.

p.s to hollywood please dont go more than 2.40:1 though i'll need a 65"

Congrats, Dr. Strangestu (Or How You Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bars)!

[Rogerstennis]

Original Aspect Ratio is the most important thing for me
black bar is OK，let it be