Apaharan - Blu Ray - T-Series (ScreenShots)

[divyansh]

Originally Posted by anibap

Thanks Divyansh. I am not saying it as bad as I haven't seen it myself. I think watching on a PJ makes quite a difference as PQ issues look quite amplified on a big screen which you may overlook at 40-60 inches of TV.

Look forward to your comments after you manage to see it on your PJ.

EE can still be tweaked a liitle but contrast bloom is difficult to tweak as detail lost cannot be brought back.

Anyways, I am quite hopefull with the actual PQ of Apaharan. I am also eagerly waiting for the Wake up Sid BD. Screnshots are looking great and I am expecting a Ghajini type of PQ and AQ on that.

yaaa there is a lot of diffrence bw a tv and pj.......as i said its just a first watch i havnt watched it properly but rating 4.0 meanzzzz its definaltely not bad pq but yes it has some issues.................

and yes ghajini i still think is the best bolly blu ray till date.........its that so called refrence material.........and i hope future bhv relezes like 3i incl wake up sid to be at par with it........

[anibap]

Originally Posted by divyansh

and yes ghajini i still think is the best bolly blu ray till date.........its that so called refrence material.........and i hope future bhv relezes like 3i incl wake up sid to be at par with it........

The fact that 3I is with BHV is the biggest comfort for me. Although the release of the 3I BD is delayed I am kind of relaxed to know that BHV will be behind the BD.

[divyansh]

Originally Posted by anibap

The fact that 3I is with BHV is the biggest comfort for me. Although the release of the 3I BD is delayed I am kind of relaxed to know that BHV will be behind the BD.

exactly.........like iam now worried that housefull is with eros and they will spoil it........according to me its the best mix ive ever listened.........it rocked.......its evn bttr than the fast and furious series.........now its upto eros how they treat it....thogh movie was just average-above average kidof.......ntng classic like 3i.........

ps i sent u a Pm......

[kailashu]

Originally Posted by anibap

The fact that 3I is with BHV is the biggest comfort for me. Although the release of the 3I BD is delayed I am kind of relaxed to know that BHV will be behind the BD.

Need to check with Mr. Chandna if he will be the one authoring 3I as he does most of the BHV authoring and encoding. Mr. Chandna, if you're reading this post, please keep us posted. Thanks!

[divyansh]

Originally Posted by kailashu

Need to check with Mr. Chandna if he will be the one authoring 3I as he does most of the BHV authoring and encoding. Mr. Chandna, if you're reading this post, please keep us posted. Thanks!

i asked him once but he says comapaniyes have signed a agreement with him so he cant disclose any info...............bt iam sure the title is surely with him........

[anibap]

Originally Posted by divyansh

exactly.........like iam now worried that housefull is with eros and they will spoil it........
ps i sent u a Pm......

From what I have seen so far, you could be right with Eros spoiling it. The last few releases from Eros were just unacceptable.

Originally Posted by kailashu

Need to check with Mr. Chandna if he will be the one authoring 3I as he does most of the BHV authoring and encoding. Mr. Chandna, if you're reading this post, please keep us posted. Thanks!

Good point. Chandna, appreciate if you can let us know if your company is doing the authoring. We have seen and praised your work and if you are going to do 3I, I am hopeful that it will be a top / reference transfer.

Edit: Chandna: Just saw Divyansh's post and I understand and respect the NDA in place you may have with the studios. You don't have to reply but I guess we can assume in our own way...

[lakshmi]

Originally Posted by kskies2

Is this the 1st T-Series BD without watermarks?

Hi - Can u tell me, how was the movie??????????

[lakshmi]

Hi,
Can u tell me how was movie??????????

[chandna]

Originally Posted by anibap

From what I have seen so far, you could be right with Eros spoiling it. The last few releases from Eros were just unacceptable.



Good point. Chandna, appreciate if you can let us know if your company is doing the authoring. We have seen and praised your work and if you are going to do 3I, I am hopeful that it will be a top / reference transfer.

Edit: Chandna: Just saw Divyansh's post and I understand and respect the NDA in place you may have with the studios. You don't have to reply but I guess we can assume in our own way...

Hi
Thanks to all the members for support, suggestions and guidance.
I am sorry I can disclose on this public platform regarding the status of titles being authored by me. And the name of the clients I am authoring for. As we are a very small company working with just 6 technical staff ( I am also one among them). But I can tell the process from Encoding , authoring to replication and you all will understand why titles are delayed, Why they are not as good as it must be.

1. We get the masters, check it and let the client know if there are any problem with colors, grains etc etc. Most of the times we are asked to use whatever masters they have provided to us. Why they dont provide- its a separate story which cant be explained on this public platform.

2. We do our best while encoding these sources. I use dpx as source for all the titles.

3. After encoding and authoring, we prepare the check disc and check PQ, AQ,Authoring links and once we are satisfied we sent the same to client.

4. Now if title is directed by some big director-Then publisher has to take his approval of the PQ and AQ. Al the big directors are very busy- they take their own time and they always ask for the changes as per their creativity.No one can challenge the directors. There is no way to by pass the directors.

5. Publishers have their own timeline but his hands are tied. Till the director approves the PQ or AQ, he cant say Ok to us and we have to wait till their confirmations.

6. Our normal turnaround time is 10 days after receiving all the assets from the client.If it is beyond 10 days it means we are waiting for various approvals.

No single source is used if authored by different authoring companies.So our Kaminey will be different then the one already released in market.

As promised our authored all titles will be without water mark only.
Subtitles will be screen friendly.
2 Channel Streo will be uncompressed Audio.
No fake 5.2 Audio
Playable on Samsung, Philips,Panasonic, PS3 and other sony players

But what I cant do is

I cant help myself to look like 25 years young boy by any kind of makeup and dress up. The best I can look like 46 .

When I cant look like 25, how can change the bad source to a sharp crystal clear by encoding(compression).
Thanks again .
I am always available for your suggestions.
Regards
Chandna

[anibap]

Chandna,

Thanks for your wonderful post and explaining the process and the scenarios in the entire authoring and approval process very clearly . As a consumer we sometimes get impatient without looking at the bigger picture. Same like my boss doesn’t understand why software development takes time – he simply believes that it is already done and we can resue easily.

I really appreciate your quality control process and your commitment to deliver quality every time. This is exactly what we need from all authoring houses and I am sure most are doing that in some form or other.

I hope you will also understand the fact that why consumers like us get really worried about quality of BDs produced after seeing too many issues with most BDs released recently. I assume you were not involved with some of the YRF and Eros BDs, but could you please tell us more about the source you or any other authoring house receive from the clients? like

1. What format?
2. What level of quality
3. Are there different types of sources for the same movie?
4. You mentioned Kaminey from you would look different (good to know) but if you are offered the same source, is it still possible to better than what is produced by Moserbaer? Essentially I am trying to understand which part of the chain affects the most on the PQ and where it stops beyond which you have no control?
5. I was quite surprised to see so many BDs (not from your company) with raised black level and this is something that can be noticed by even a kid. Just trying to figure out how such mistakes pass the quality team of a authoring house and then the eyes of the end client.

You don’t have to answer this if it violates your professional code of conduct but I would like to hear your general view about such issues that are just not acceptable and so easy to detect at the QC level. Just beats me everytime I see a release with this issue.

Lastly, thanks again for posting and even with a small team you guys are doing a terrific job...Look forward to more good titles from you.

So, Kaminey next?

[Justice4All]

Why is bollywoodblu-ray.com taking credit for the screenshots posted by 'Rancho' courtesy 'DDR'? 'Bollywoodblu-ray.com' on their face book page, have posted the very screenshots posted here. The posting of the screenshots, in of itself is is not a problem, but they have put their own 'watermark', in big & bold letters on the screenshots, as if the screenshots have been taken by them. This is blatant plagiarism and such acts must be condemned. How can one claim to be against piracy, when one's own behaviour is contrary to it.

The admins/mods here must specially take note of this, for this indirectly implicates 'Blu-ray.com' too, based on their official partnership with 'Bollywoodblu-ray.com'.

[BollyMan]

Originally Posted by Justice4All

Why is bollywoodblu-ray.com taking credit for the screenshots posted by 'Rancho' courtesy 'DDR'? 'Bollywoodblu-ray.com' on their face book page, have posted the very screenshots posted here. The posting of the screenshots, in of itself is is not a problem, but they have put their own 'watermark', in big & bold letters on the screenshots, as if the screenshots have been taken by them. This is blatant plagiarism and such acts must be condemned. How can one claim to be against piracy, when one's own behaviour is contrary to it.

The admins/mods here must specially take note of this, for this indirectly implicates 'Blu-ray.com' too, based on their official partnership with 'Bollywoodblu-ray.com'.

Thats very clever, got to give you credit - seriously your doing your own watermark here lol - Are you criticising them or giving them free advertising

1 - Mention of their Facebook fanpage
2 - Plugging their website address twice

I should have guessed whose account it was and near perfect English - well done

[Justice4All]

Originally Posted by Zah_BM

Thats very clever, got to give you credit - seriously your doing your own watermark here lol - Are you criticising them or giving them free advertising

1 - Mention of their Facebook fanpage
2 - Plugging their website address twice

I should have guessed whose account it was and near perfect English - well done

Just stating things the way I see them and I definately am not plugging anyone. As for the website address, it is their user name for crying out loud.

On a serious note. Plagiarism is the same as piracy, atleast ethically speaking. The fact is that they are taking the screenshots posted here of all the recent blu-rays and are putting their 'watermarks' on them and posting them on their facebook page. Thus claiming the screenshots as their own. This practise need to be condemned and stopped immediately.

[bugsnest]

Originally Posted by chandna

No single source is used if authored by different authoring companies.So our Kaminey will be different then the one already released in market.

Your post if very informative but I choose to dwell on the part that interests me most
So you are authoring "Kaminey" for UTV? Can't wait to see this in the US market soon! Thanks!!!!!!

[seer_]

Originally Posted by Justice4All

Why is bollywoodblu-ray.com taking credit for the screenshots posted by 'Rancho' courtesy 'DDR'? 'Bollywoodblu-ray.com' on their face book page, have posted the very screenshots posted here. The posting of the screenshots, in of itself is is not a problem, but they have put their own 'watermark', in big & bold letters on the screenshots, as if the screenshots have been taken by them. This is blatant plagiarism and such acts must be condemned. How can one claim to be against piracy, when one's own behaviour is contrary to it.

The admins/mods here must specially take note of this, for this indirectly implicates 'Blu-ray.com' too, based on their official partnership with 'Bollywoodblu-ray.com'.

Dude, why does it bother you?? are you with DDR?

[anibap]

Most likely I will watch this BD tonight or tomorrow. Will post a review...

[Justice4All]

Originally Posted by seer_

Dude, why does it bother you?? are you with DDR?

Hypocrisy is what bothers me. You cannot indulge in plagiarism and still claim to be against piracy.

[kailashu]

Yo Ani! Can you plz post a review of this BD. Much appreciated. Thanks!

Cheers
K

[vveksuvarna]

Originally Posted by chandna

how can change the bad source to a sharp crystal clear by encoding(compression).
Thanks again .
I am always available for your suggestions.
Regards
Chandna

Bad sources cant be undone, I completely understand.

But, What you could do is, throw in a friendly reminder of how bad BDs of good titles wont sell because of bad quality (MoserBaers, Eros'es, Swades?). Secondly, Bluray consumers (as of now) are informed buyers, they know and seek confirmation before they spend a decent amount on these films. Lastly, You could point them to this forum, and we will only prove you right, and the participation of Industry Insiders is more than appreciated.

[anibap]

Originally Posted by kailashu

Yo Ani! Can you plz post a review of this BD. Much appreciated. Thanks!

Cheers
K

Hi Kailashu,

I saw the BD around almost 2-3 weeks ago and since I do not have the BD with me now, I won't be able to do a proper review. But here is what I remember from my viewing

• Nice and sharp clean picture
• The image appeared quite clean in most bright scenes
• Dark scenes suffers noise and other artifacts.
• Some scenes bring out a 3D effect
• Audio track sounded alright (I hardly remember though)

At first it appears as quite a good picture....but as you watch carefully, you will notice that the BD has the folloiwng issues

• Hue - pinkish tone. Color is bit messed up. The warmer presentation was missing. Warmer color temp would have made this BD a real treat.
• Contrast is boosted and that results in highlights and bloom resulting in loss of detail in bright objects (see the thread on PQ issue). Some scenes were just too bad with detail completely blown out.
• Some specs and hair like artifact in a couple of scenes (one I remember where Gaya Singh goes to Ajay's hideout and gets killed)
• Some Edge Enhancement (not that severe IIRC but you will notice with edges and peoples hair and stuff)

The first 2 issues on the BD were bit annoying to me. With a warmer color temp, correct hue and lower contrast range this could have been a really good BD.

Sorry, that is all I can remember...

Peace

Ani