'Whale Wars' on the Animal Planet cable channel

[cheaitsjustin]

Originally Posted by Zvi

Just standing up for "something" doesn't mean much. Depends what's he standing up for.
There's Taliban standing up for sharia laws cutting off hands and ears... Willing to sacrifice their lives for that. So, what, we have to sympathize because they're standing up for something they believe in?

It's more than obvious those guys are dong everything to get media attention, and if one of them gets killed, Watson will be very happy. Better than faking being shot anyway.

It was fake?

[Zvi]

Originally Posted by cheaitsjustin

It was fake?

Either it was a fake, or you have to assume so many things(about Japanese, Watson, bullet trajectory and power, body armor, human anatomy, police conspiracy) and coincidences that it becomes surreal.
Add there the fact that the biggest benefactor from this shooting is none other than P.Watson and you have to be a true believer(Watson's) to think it was real.

[PrivatePixel]

Originally Posted by Zvi

Just standing up for "something" doesn't mean much. Depends what's he standing up for.

Well, if your ideology differs than that of Bethune's, then you're going to take exception with his actions, regardless of his intentions.

There's Taliban standing up for sharia laws cutting off hands and ears... Willing to sacrifice their lives for that. So, what, we have to sympathize because they're standing up for something they believe in?

Ahh, the weak analogy logical fallacy at play.

It's more than obvious those guys are dong everything to get media attention, and if one of them gets killed, Watson will be very happy.

The members of the Sea Shepherd organization rely on media attention to get their message across (whether their actions are perceived poitively or negatively depends on one's perspective): no surprise there. Media attention is essential in building momentum for their cause (as a recruiting measure, as well as seeking monetary contributions from readers and viewers); the show is merely a platform for reaching a larger audience (who initiated and pursued the idea, i.e. Animal Planet or Sea Shepherd, that I don't know).

I'm not going to comment on Watson's intentions because a) I don't know the man personally, and b) speculation does not add credence to any argument.

[Zvi]

Originally Posted by PrivatePixel

Ahh, the weak analogy logical fallacy at play.

Let me get this straight, you asserting that "at least he's standing up for something" is a valid/good argument, but if I substitute that dude with another dude, and "something" with concrete thing, then it becomes weak and fallacy. Way to go

Originally Posted by PrivatePixel

The members of the Sea Shepherd organization rely on media attention to get their message across...
as well as seeking monetary contributions from readers and viewers)

So, in the end, it is about money, amongst other things, or mainly about money and fame, regardless the means...

Originally Posted by PrivatePixel

I'm not going to comment on Watson's intentions because a) I don't know the man personally, and b) speculation does not add credence to any argument.

Terrific. Except you very freely are implying their(Watson and crew) intentions are very pure and positive , so why so humble about Watson's intentions...

BTW, it doesn't take much philosophy or thinking to express an opinion about the guy who sends grossly incompetent kids( and not so kids) to risk their lives.

[Bizdady]

So I just started watching this. These guys are crazy!!! Im surprised theyve yet to either get arrested or serious hurt.

[slick1ru2]

I had caught some shows before but now watching it in order on NetFlix. I am glad they are doing it, but the way they do it? I am surprised that people aren't killed every trip.

And Paul Watson, he stays up on the bridge and tells people to go out and do crazy things and goads them into doing it when he has no risk at all. "You signed a form that you'd die for whales, what's the problem"? And that nut job 1st mate is an idiot. So I see that the criticisms can be just when people get mad and leave the boat. It could be run better, for sure.