Ice Age 3: Dawn of the Dinosaurs (2009) Blu-ray 3D [Region Free TBC]

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by Paul H

As I understand it, the 2D version is just one of the 2 encodes that makes up in effect, the 3D film. And, if that is the case, the "quality" would be identical for both of the encodes. IMHO, it would be a terrible waste of data space to author an additional 2D encode when both the left and right eye encodes are there, accessible, and are benefiting from less compression by using the data real-estate.

Paul

I agree using the main eye stream makes much more sense then a separate encode. Id say encoding them separately as Disney seems to be doing is similar to Warner's stubbern refusal to use seemless branching. Its wasteful and stupid.

My point is that however the 2D version on the 3D disc is encoded what matters most is that it look identical to the 2D only previous release. I don't yet own a 3DTV so if there is no concern with the quality of 2D release the 3D will forever remain a tiny niche.

So far 3D releases have been good for that with the only exception the disgraceful droping of lossless audio on Monsters vs Aliens

[ckenisell]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

I agree using the main eye stream makes much more sense then a separate encode. Id say encoding them separately as Disney seems to be doing is similar to Warner's stubbern refusal to use seemless branching. Its wasteful and stupid.

I don't know. I kinda wish we could get the 3D encode with left/right and then a separate 2D encode (with the original rendering). This way, the 2D version won't have the black bars as seen in Cloudy w/Chance.

Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

My point is that however the 2D version on the 3D disc is encoded what matters most is that it look identical to the 2D only previous release. I don't yet own a 3DTV so if there is no concern with the quality of 2D release the 3D will forever remain a tiny niche.

Agreed.

[that1guystudios]

Originally Posted by Lovemy3D

Wow, I love reading these reviews, but at the same time I hate them. Just makes me that much more anxious to get the movies. But no, I'm not allowed.

I agree that the 3D movies should have good 2D versions for people that want it. It will make for greater sales. A lot of people that are thinking about getting 3D TVs down the road will buy them now if they can still watch in 2D. And that is good for the progress of 3D. But I'm like Bravia, I don't need the 2D version myself.

There's no question about it, if you want the BEST picture on the 2D mode, you will always want a seperate encode. 2D renderings are optimized for 2D, 3D for 3D. Throwing away one video stream for 3D simply makes it compatible with 2-D viewing, it will still look great, but it simply won't be as good as a 2-D rendering. That is why I believe in packing in both versions on 2 separate discs the way Disney is doing for A Christmas Carol. It only costs the studio a few extra cents per disc, so this is a great way to "add value" (most people perceive more value when there are more discs) and satisfy die-hard 3D and 2D enthusiasts.

[wiggy]

I have a 63" 7000 series Samsung 3D tv and have just ordered a 50" 3D Panasonic TV....

How do i get the Ice Age 3D film ?? I thought it came with the 3D player

Panasonic Blu-Ray player just arrived but nothing in that !

Thanks

Craig

[Paul H]

Originally Posted by wiggy

I have a 63" 7000 series Samsung 3D tv and have just ordered a 50" 3D Panasonic TV....

How do i get the Ice Age 3D film ?? I thought it came with the 3D player

Panasonic Blu-Ray player just arrived but nothing in that !

Thanks

Craig

Not the player. The 3D disc promotion is for the Panasonic 3D TV purchase only.

You have to mail in the promotional claim form and required documentation: (You must cut out the original serial number / UPC code label found on the TV carton AND also send a copy of the sales receipt with the purchase price circled.) The TV purchase must be between July 11 and September 4, 2010.

Paul

Edit: P.S. It took about 6 weeks after I mailed the documentation in to get both Ice Age: Dawn of the Dinosaurs 3D and Coraline 3D discs. That was a lot faster than the 8-14 weeks they state it could take on the claim form.

[snappahead]

Just watched this last night and I was blown away by it. Probably my favorite showcase film for 3-D. It really looks fantastic and had the least amount of ghosting out all the stuff I've seen. It's a cutesy movie for sure, but it sure is purdy.

[Roland1919]

Ugg, Just looked on EBAY to pick up DOTD & CORALINE 3D only to find the bids were up past $150...

[snappahead]

Originally Posted by Roland1919

Ugg, Just looked on EBAY to pick up DOTD & CORALINE 3D only to find the bids were up past $150...

Hehe, yeah it's a bummer and I'm one of the boneheads who've bought a set on the bay. Couldn't help it! If you're a bit more patient like I'm not, you'll be able to get these for a lot cheaper soon. The prices have already come down quite a bit.

[thebat2]

Originally Posted by isc9921

This just went live on amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Ice-Age-3-Dawn...dp/B004047XXO/

It seems to say that this will be available on its own October 1st.

That's a DVD. The same one Wal-Mart is pre-selling. Not true 3D.

[Lovemy3D]

I just got my copy of this movie today, and just finished watching it. I'm a bit blown away right now. I can't say enough about the level of picture quality. It's the perfect 3D Blu-ray. It looks so amazing. And I love all the action and adventure the story contains. Watching this was the coolest home theater experience I've had.

I've heard said that the ghosting effect is due to the TV display, and not the disc itself. But after watching Ice Age I have doubts about that. Because if that's the case, how can this movie look so damn perfect. I really hope that Avatar, and the other upcoming releases are done with this level of quality.

[ckenisell]

Originally Posted by Lovemy3D

I just got my copy of this movie today, and just finished watching it. I'm a bit blown away right now. I can't say enough about the level of picture quality. It's the perfect 3D Blu-ray. It looks so amazing. And I love all the action and adventure the story contains. Watching this was the coolest home theater experience I've had.

I've heard said that the ghosting effect is due to the TV display, and not the disc itself. But after watching Ice Age I have doubts about that. Because if that's the case, how can this movie look so damn perfect. I really hope that Avatar, and the other upcoming releases are done with this level of quality.

Lovemy3D, the Sony release of Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs has black bars on the sides when watched in 2D. Would you mind watching a few minutes of the 2D version of this and telling us if it has black bars (that change in width) on either side.

Thanks.

[Lovemy3D]

Originally Posted by ckenisell

Lovemy3D, the Sony release of Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs has black bars on the sides when watched in 2D. Would you mind watching a few minutes of the 2D version of this and telling us if it has black bars (that change in width) on either side.

Thanks.

Yeah, sure thing. I checked it out once before and didn't see any. I just put it in again to double check. I'm still not seeing the black bars on the sides people talk about. Just the normal ones on the top and bottom. I even skipped through a few scenes, still nothing. Not sure why I don't get them.

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by Lovemy3D

Yeah, sure thing. I checked it out once before and didn't see any. I just put it in again to double check. I'm still not seeing the black bars on the sides people talk about. Just the normal ones on the top and bottom. I even skipped through a few scenes, still nothing. Not sure why I don't get them.

Likely because your television has overscan. The side bars are extremely thin and only noticeable on a television with zero overscan. Which is why I think people make too big a deal over them. Most 2D HD displays will not show any side bars and even if you have a dot per dot display with absolutely no overscan they are incredibly thin and require you really look for them to be noticeable.

This issue is a negligible one that in no way shape or form justifies separately encoding a 2D version. Its a needless waste of space. Which is why it annoys me that Disney and Warner seem to separately encode there 2D versions. Sony's stategy of extracting the main eye is much more efficient

[that1guystudios]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

Likely because your television has overscan. The side bars are extremely thin and only noticeable on a television with zero overscan. Which is why I think people make too big a deal over them. Most 2D HD displays will not show any side bars and even if you have a dot per dot display with absolutely no overscan they are incredibly thin and require you really look for them to be noticeable.

This issue is a negligible one that in no way shape or form justifies separately encoding a 2D version. Its a needless waste of space. Which is why it annoys me that Disney and Warner seem to separately encode there 2D versions. Sony's stategy of extracting the main eye is much more efficient

Even though I agree with you that encoding 2 versions is more efficient, there is a difference in picture quality between the native original 2D versions on Blu-ray, and the 3D blu-rays when playing back in 2D mode.
I have Ice Age in 3D and in 2D blu-ray flavors, and the 2-D encode is obviously superior to watching the 3D encode in 2-D. There is a lot of macroblocking/blurring of detail during fast motion in the image when you are viewing only one eye view. When you are viewing both eyes, in 3D mode this problem isn't noticeable at all. If you have either of those titles Jimmy, I recommend checking it out. I was able to tell a pretty big difference in the encodes. After comparing 2-D native original Blu-rays to the 3-D Blus played back in 2-D mode for Cloudy and Ice Age, I really think that the separate encodes are a much better way to go.

[that1guystudios]

Originally Posted by Roland1919

Ugg, Just looked on EBAY to pick up DOTD & CORALINE 3D only to find the bids were up past $150...

I'm going to sell my copy of Ice Age since I ended up with 2 copies. I'd also trade for Monsters vs aliens. PM me if you are interested. I'll have a Coraline copy up for grabs later as well.

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by that1guypictures

I have Ice Age in 3D and in 2D blu-ray flavors, and the 2-D encode is extremely superior to watching the 3D encode in 2-D. There is a lot of source noise during fast motion in the image when you are viewing only one eye view. When you are viewing both eyes, it isn't noticeable. If you have the titles Jimmy, I recommend checking it out. I was able to tell a pretty big difference in the encodes. After comparing 2-D native original Blu-rays to the 3-D Blus played back in 2-D mode for Cloudy and Ice Age, I really think that the separate encodes are a much better way to go.

I have Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs 3D Blu-Ray but lack a 3DTV and thus have only ever seen the 2D version. I don't have the 2D only disc to compare to but the 2D with the 3D I see is a great HD picture. Only a hair worse then any Pixar Blu-Ray. I can firmly say it looks better then the HD broadcast version of Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs. I also saw no side baring.

[msgohan]

Review says:

Audio
English: DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1
French: DTS 5.1
Spanish: DTS 5.1
German: DTS 5.1... (more)
English: DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1
French: DTS 5.1
Spanish: DTS 5.1
German: DTS 5.1
Italian: DTS 5.1
Dutch: Dolby Digital 5.1
Polish: Dolby Digital 5.1 (less)

Subtitles
English SDH, French, Spanish, German, Italian, Dutch, Polish

Back cover says (eBay image):


Squint and you can see they don't match. I can confirm that the lineup listed on the back cover is correct at least for the Canadian disc (should be the same as US), along with some additional tracks that aren't listed.

Is there any way to correct this?

[Wiwin Zhang]

Originally Posted by Paul H

Not the player. The 3D disc promotion is for the Panasonic 3D TV purchase only.

You have to mail in the promotional claim form and required documentation: (You must cut out the original serial number / UPC code label found on the TV carton AND also send a copy of the sales receipt with the purchase price circled.) The TV purchase must be between July 11 and September 4, 2010.

Paul

Edit: P.S. It took about 6 weeks after I mailed the documentation in to get both Ice Age: Dawn of the Dinosaurs 3D and Coraline 3D discs. That was a lot faster than the 8-14 weeks they state it could take on the claim form.

Is the promotion still available? I am interested in Panasonic 3D TV so i just want to make sure that the promotion still going on. Thanks.

[Khee Mao]

Originally Posted by Wiwin Zhang

Is the promotion still available? I am interested in Panasonic 3D TV so i just want to make sure that the promotion still going on. Thanks.

used to be the movies were available with a Panasonic TV purchase, now Panasonic offers them with their glasses kits (which may be bundled with a tv as well). Forget which movies Panasonic bundles with their TVs now, but to answer your question, yes, you'll be able to get those movies one way or another.

[TWright]

Price on this is now running under 50 bucks on eBay if you keep an eye out. We watched it this past weekend and WOW! It's really nice. The detail is excellent and as much as I searched for ghosting, I couldn't find any even in the darker scenes. It's not a thinker's movie, but it's fun, especially for the kids (but I enjoyed it too).