Playstation 3 & 4 (PS3 / PS4) 3D Discussion - Page 2 - Blu-ray Forum

jacobzking · 09-10-2010, 12:34 AM

FWIW: I have Monsters vs Aliens, Coraline and Ice Age 3 all in 3D .VOB files saved on my PS3 (1st gen) HDD and they play in real 3d on my Mitsu with the emitter/glasses. In fact, just about any media player that plays MKV or VOB files can run 3D movies as long as your files are side by side. Then you just tell your 3D box (or TV) to run in side by side mode.

I couldn't believe that my 3D game playing PS3 would NOT play my 3D blurays. And now to find out that I don't even need the actual BluRays

Jimmy Smith · 09-14-2010, 07:12 PM

Recent word confirms that the Playstation 3 will not be able to handle both 1080p 3D playback and BD-Java at the same time. Something had to give. The Playstation 3s arcitecture has allowed to be upgraded to support picture in picture and 1080p 3D video, both features not avalible at launch. Unfortunitly and likely due to the limits of HDMI 1.3 it can't handle both at the same time. Which means you will have to turn the 3D off in order to access picture in picture supplements or other BD-J interactive features.

This is a relatively small limitation but worth noting none the less

bluflu · 09-21-2010, 04:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by that1guypictures

Coraline's 3D menus are now rendered flat on my PS3 slim. Monsters Vs Aliens menus are still in 3D. Strange. Clash of the titans (German import) still has 3D main menu and pop up menu.
All have lossy sound. (Monsters was always lossy though.) Cloudy and Monster house always had flat menus, but now they have lossy audio. I am using full HDMI 1.4 cables just in case anyone wants to know. So it appears for the time being 3D on the PS3 is awesome. The only sacrifice is flattening of 3D menus specifically created using BD-J runtime, and lossy audio only. Maybe in the future they can add HD audio decoding for the Slim models. Ps3 fan seems louder than usual. Maybe the 3D is stretching the processor a little. Personally, I think the update is awesome. The film displays in full 1080p to each eye on a system designed 4 years ago! Thank you Somy! If the lossy audio or 3d menu flattening is a dealbreaker, the Sony 470 can readily be found from $150-175.

Thanks for the update. What happens if you switch the PS3 to 720P?

Suntory_Times · 09-21-2010, 05:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by that1guypictures

I can confirm that with the Ps3 3.50 firmware update that it only puts the audio out as DTS standard (lossy) in the bitstream mode. Also the menus on Coraline are flattened to 2D. Subtitles still show up in 3D mode, and so do menus. The image just flattens. Standard DTS is output by bitstream and linear PCM works as well but it still shows it as lossy DTS in the info bar on the PS3. So for now 3D on the PS3...full 1080p to each eye, but no HD audio and no 3D on menu screens or pop up menus. Can't say I'm disappointed. The update was free and the speed on the PS3 doesn't seem to be affected.

That both sucks and blows.

TomHoang · 09-11-2010, 01:49 AM

I know that the 3D firmware update for the PS3 comes out in October, but I wanna know if I can pop in a copy of Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs or Monster House 3D in my PS3 and watch it in 2D. I don't have a 3DTV yet, but I figured that since I don't own these movies yet, I might as well get the 3D versions.

jstutman · 09-11-2010, 01:52 AM

yes. 2d works

you could have just put the disc in and checked

Propellarhead9 · 09-12-2010, 10:06 PM

Probably didn't wanna waste 35 bucks on a blu and not be able to watch it for at least another month or so.

ckenisell · 09-13-2010, 04:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TomHoang

I know that the 3D firmware update for the PS3 comes out in October, but I wanna know if I can pop in a copy of Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs or Monster House 3D in my PS3 and watch it in 2D. I don't have a 3DTV yet, but I figured that since I don't own these movies yet, I might as well get the 3D versions.

Any 3D Blu-Ray will play in 2D in ANY Blu-Ray player.

Nuff said.

PaulGo · 09-14-2010, 07:48 PM

PlayStation 3 Unable to Handle BD-Java, 3D Menus, and Subtitles Simultaneously with Blu-ray 3D?

http://www.hometechtell.com/hometech...imultaneously/

Drew664 · 09-14-2010, 08:29 PM

I think proponents of 3D would agree having the PS3 on board as completely 3D compliant would be a very important step in securing some staying power and immediate market penetration.

Just get some code monkeys working on it, and they'll figure something out. The only way I see this not working is if the PS4 is close enough to release (2 or 3 years) that Sony will just put its efforts into making the PS3 'get by' for now in regards to 3D. I didn't even know you could 'fake' 3D either. A nice, brief thought article their Paul. What are your thoughts on it since you posted it?

PaulGo · 09-14-2010, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drew664

I think proponents of 3D would agree having the PS3 on board as completely 3D compliant would be a very important step in securing some staying power and immediate market penetration.

Just get some code monkeys working on it, and they'll figure something out. The only way I see this not working is if the PS4 is close enough to release (2 or 3 years) that Sony will just put its efforts into making the PS3 'get by' for now in regards to 3D. I didn't even know you could 'fake' 3D either. A nice, brief thought article their Paul. What are your thoughts on it since you posted it?

I agree they will come out with a workaround - the PS3 is the 800 pound gorilla. Perhaps that was the reason for the one month delay in releasing the PSe 3D Blu-ray update.

that1guystudios · 09-21-2010, 03:31 AM

My Ps3 is firmware updating to 3.50 as we speak!

that1guystudios · 09-21-2010, 03:46 AM

I can confirm that with the Ps3 3.50 firmware update that it only puts the audio out as DTS standard (lossy) in the bitstream mode. Also the menus on Coraline are flattened to 2D. Subtitles still show up in 3D mode, and so do menus. The image just flattens. Standard DTS is output by bitstream and linear PCM works as well but it still shows it as lossy DTS in the info bar on the PS3. So for now 3D on the PS3...full 1080p to each eye, but no HD audio and no 3D on menu screens or pop up menus. Can't say I'm disappointed. The update was free and the speed on the PS3 doesn't seem to be affected.

Coraline's 3D menus are now rendered flat on my PS3 slim. Monsters Vs Aliens menus are still in 3D. Strange. Clash of the titans (German import) still has 3D main menu and pop up menu.
All have lossy sound. (Monsters was always lossy though.) Cloudy and Monster house always had flat menus, but now they have lossy audio. I am using full HDMI 1.4 cables just in case anyone wants to know. So it appears for the time being 3D on the PS3 is awesome. The only sacrifice is flattening of 3D menus specifically created using BD-J runtime, and lossy audio only. Maybe in the future they can add HD audio decoding for the Slim models. Ps3 fan seems louder than usual. Maybe the 3D is stretching the processor a little. Personally, I think the update is awesome. The film displays in full 1080p to each eye on a system designed 4 years ago! Thank you Sony! If the lossy audio or 3d menu flattening is a dealbreaker, the Sony 470 can readily be found from $150-175.

DaFees · 09-20-2010, 05:17 AM

Forgive me if this has been discussed already, but per the following website:

http://av.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/n...16_394194.html

(Yes it is in Japanese) it seems like (per what a Google translation is telling me) the PlayStation 3 will not be able to play DTS-HD audio tracks contained on 3D Blu-Rays. To quote the (translated) website:

"However, PS3 for Blu-ray 3D playback is limited to audio output, Dolby TrueHD audio output format, you also will be output as Dolby Digital, DTS-HD are output as the case of DTS."

This could easily be confirmed or denied this Tuesday when the new firmware update is released, but if this turns out to be true that could be bad, because for one thing most if not all (except MvA) 3D Blu-Rays have DTS-HD audio. This could be especially bad because Sony's own 3D Blu-Rays (Cloudy With A Chance of Meatballs and Monster House) have DTS-HD audio on them.

Anyone who might have a bit more knowledge on this subject care to weigh in?

Jeff Kleist · 09-20-2010, 06:24 AM

I did the story last week that broke the lack of BD-J. I heard the same thing they did from TGS and have been waiting for confirmation. Unfortunately I did not and do not have confirmation on it like i had with BD-J, so I didn't run that part of it. However, AV Watch is fairly reputable, so if they're hearing the same things I am, I'd file it under "probably true" until proven otherwise on Tuesday.

BD-J was dropped due to the second 1080p stream eating too many cores. I'm guessing it's eating even more than originally thought.

dobyblue · 09-20-2010, 12:05 PM

Is that just for PCM output which I would guess (correct me please if I'm wrong) would required more processing power than bitstream, hence only the pre-slim models would be affected?

PaulGo · 09-20-2010, 12:27 PM

Why would it be more difficult to decode DTS-HD that Dolby TrueHD?

dobyblue · 09-20-2010, 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PaulGo

Why would it be more difficult to decode DTS-HD that Dolby TrueHD?

I am not sure why, but has it not been mentioned several times over the years that dts-ma is more processor intensive than TrueHD?

12-03-2010, 08:35 AM

Not something I'd be into. I will not give up graphics quality to get 3D. Sounds like a fad thing. Many will not be able to use them anyway due to nausea and vision issues.

media73 · 03-07-2011, 09:37 PM

Personally I am massively disappointed in the ps3 3d. I have a lg 3d led tv and so far blu ray and games are not great. Ghosting crosstalk really disapoi ted.

Is this my lg 47lx9900 or the ps3?

Even films like cloudy with a chance of meatballs, despicable me ect all have problems

09-14-2010, 07:12 PM	#2
Jimmy Smith Blu-ray Samurai Member since:May 2008 Blu-ray collection:17	Recent word confirms that the Playstation 3 will not be able to handle both 1080p 3D playback and BD-Java at the same time. Something had to give. The Playstation 3s arcitecture has allowed to be upgraded to support picture in picture and 1080p 3D video, both features not avalible at launch. Unfortunitly and likely due to the limits of HDMI 1.3 it can't handle both at the same time. Which means you will have to turn the 3D off in order to access picture in picture supplements or other BD-J interactive features. This is a relatively small limitation but worth noting none the less Last edited by Jimmy Smith; 09-14-2010 at 07:23 PM.

09-11-2010, 01:49 AM	#5
TomHoang Member Member since:Dec 2008 Home Theater Gallery:4 Blu-ray collection:37 Blu-ray reviews:15	Will 3D Blu-rays work on the PS3 right now? I know that the 3D firmware update for the PS3 comes out in October, but I wanna know if I can pop in a copy of Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs or Monster House 3D in my PS3 and watch it in 2D. I don't have a 3DTV yet, but I figured that since I don't own these movies yet, I might as well get the 3D versions.

09-14-2010, 07:48 PM	#9
PaulGo Power Member Top contributor Member since:Aug 2007 Location:North Potomac, MD	PlayStation 3 May Be Handle BD-Java, 3D Menus, and Subtitles Simultaneously PlayStation 3 Unable to Handle BD-Java, 3D Menus, and Subtitles Simultaneously with Blu-ray 3D? http://www.hometechtell.com/hometech...imultaneously/

09-21-2010, 03:46 AM	#13
that1guystudios 3D Moderator Top contributor Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Oh I come from a land, from a faraway place... 4K collection:289 Blu-ray collection:1219 DVD collection:223 MA collection:1219 Digital collection:343 iTunes collection:145 Blu-ray reviews: 30 Trading Score:117	I can confirm that with the Ps3 3.50 firmware update that it only puts the audio out as DTS standard (lossy) in the bitstream mode. Also the menus on Coraline are flattened to 2D. Subtitles still show up in 3D mode, and so do menus. The image just flattens. Standard DTS is output by bitstream and linear PCM works as well but it still shows it as lossy DTS in the info bar on the PS3. So for now 3D on the PS3...full 1080p to each eye, but no HD audio and no 3D on menu screens or pop up menus. Can't say I'm disappointed. The update was free and the speed on the PS3 doesn't seem to be affected. Coraline's 3D menus are now rendered flat on my PS3 slim. Monsters Vs Aliens menus are still in 3D. Strange. Clash of the titans (German import) still has 3D main menu and pop up menu. All have lossy sound. (Monsters was always lossy though.) Cloudy and Monster house always had flat menus, but now they have lossy audio. I am using full HDMI 1.4 cables just in case anyone wants to know. So it appears for the time being 3D on the PS3 is awesome. The only sacrifice is flattening of 3D menus specifically created using BD-J runtime, and lossy audio only. Maybe in the future they can add HD audio decoding for the Slim models. Ps3 fan seems louder than usual. Maybe the 3D is stretching the processor a little. Personally, I think the update is awesome. The film displays in full 1080p to each eye on a system designed 4 years ago! Thank you Sony! If the lossy audio or 3d menu flattening is a dealbreaker, the Sony 470 can readily be found from $150-175. Last edited by that1guystudios; 09-21-2010 at 11:24 AM. Reason: Duplicates

09-20-2010, 05:17 AM	#14
DaFees Active Member Member since:Oct 2008 Home Theater Gallery:7 4K collection:2 Blu-ray collection:245 DVD collection:24 Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:1	PS3: May not be able to do 3D and DTS-HD at the same time Forgive me if this has been discussed already, but per the following website: http://av.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/n...16_394194.html (Yes it is in Japanese) it seems like (per what a Google translation is telling me) the PlayStation 3 will not be able to play DTS-HD audio tracks contained on 3D Blu-Rays. To quote the (translated) website: "However, PS3 for Blu-ray 3D playback is limited to audio output, Dolby TrueHD audio output format, you also will be output as Dolby Digital, DTS-HD are output as the case of DTS." This could easily be confirmed or denied this Tuesday when the new firmware update is released, but if this turns out to be true that could be bad, because for one thing most if not all (except MvA) 3D Blu-Rays have DTS-HD audio. This could be especially bad because Sony's own 3D Blu-Rays (Cloudy With A Chance of Meatballs and Monster House) have DTS-HD audio on them. Anyone who might have a bit more knowledge on this subject care to weigh in?

09-10-2010, 12:34 AM	#1
jacobzking New Member Member since:Sep 2010	FWIW: I have Monsters vs Aliens, Coraline and Ice Age 3 all in 3D .VOB files saved on my PS3 (1st gen) HDD and they play in real 3d on my Mitsu with the emitter/glasses. In fact, just about any media player that plays MKV or VOB files can run 3D movies as long as your files are side by side. Then you just tell your 3D box (or TV) to run in side by side mode. I couldn't believe that my 3D game playing PS3 would NOT play my 3D blurays. And now to find out that I don't even need the actual BluRays

09-11-2010, 01:52 AM	#6
jstutman Senior Member Member since:Feb 2009 Blu-ray collection:74 Blu-ray reviews: 1 Trading Score:8	yes. 2d works you could have just put the disc in and checked

09-12-2010, 10:06 PM	#7
Propellarhead9 Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jul 2009 Location:Clarksville, Indiana 4K collection:498 Blu-ray collection:1727 Blu-ray reviews: 1 Trading Score:9	Probably didn't wanna waste 35 bucks on a blu and not be able to watch it for at least another month or so.

09-14-2010, 08:29 PM	#10
Drew664 Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Oct 2007 Location:South Dakota Home Theater Gallery:28 Blu-ray collection:68	I think proponents of 3D would agree having the PS3 on board as completely 3D compliant would be a very important step in securing some staying power and immediate market penetration. Just get some code monkeys working on it, and they'll figure something out. The only way I see this not working is if the PS4 is close enough to release (2 or 3 years) that Sony will just put its efforts into making the PS3 'get by' for now in regards to 3D. I didn't even know you could 'fake' 3D either. A nice, brief thought article their Paul. What are your thoughts on it since you posted it?

09-21-2010, 03:31 AM	#12
that1guystudios 3D Moderator Top contributor Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Oh I come from a land, from a faraway place... 4K collection:289 Blu-ray collection:1219 DVD collection:223 MA collection:1219 Digital collection:343 iTunes collection:145 Blu-ray reviews: 30 Trading Score:117	My Ps3 is firmware updating to 3.50 as we speak!

09-20-2010, 06:24 AM	#15
Jeff Kleist The Digital Bits Member since:Jul 2008 Trading Score:1	I did the story last week that broke the lack of BD-J. I heard the same thing they did from TGS and have been waiting for confirmation. Unfortunately I did not and do not have confirmation on it like i had with BD-J, so I didn't run that part of it. However, AV Watch is fairly reputable, so if they're hearing the same things I am, I'd file it under "probably true" until proven otherwise on Tuesday. BD-J was dropped due to the second 1080p stream eating too many cores. I'm guessing it's eating even more than originally thought.

09-20-2010, 12:05 PM	#16
dobyblue Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Jul 2006 Location:Ontario, Canada Home Theater Gallery:71 4K collection:55 Blu-ray collection:655 Blu-ray reviews: 15	Is that just for PCM output which I would guess (correct me please if I'm wrong) would required more processing power than bitstream, hence only the pre-slim models would be affected?

09-20-2010, 12:27 PM	#17
PaulGo Power Member Top contributor Member since:Aug 2007 Location:North Potomac, MD	Why would it be more difficult to decode DTS-HD that Dolby TrueHD?

12-03-2010, 08:35 AM	#19
BRADLEY TUCKER Guest	Not something I'd be into. I will not give up graphics quality to get 3D. Sounds like a fad thing. Many will not be able to use them anyway due to nausea and vision issues.

03-07-2011, 09:37 PM	#20
media73 New Member Member since:Mar 2011	Personally I am massively disappointed in the ps3 3d. I have a lg 3d led tv and so far blu ray and games are not great. Ghosting crosstalk really disapoi ted. Is this my lg 47lx9900 or the ps3? Even films like cloudy with a chance of meatballs, despicable me ect all have problems

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