LCD vs. Projection (mainly Sony, but open)

[daisuke149]

Originally Posted by ack_bak

This Samsung LED DLP is a great set as well. I would highly recommend it as it does not have a color wheel or need to have bulbs changed:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/cus...blurayforum-20

sorry bro ive seen these day ina nd day out and their not that great. example in comparing 61" model.s Led = 3k, regular = 2100. Its not worth the extra 900 when your saving only a few hundred on bulbs and the picture isnt as bright or sharp.

Also if anyone cares to look at the screen for this carefully.. there are semi circular lines running across the screen at different points. Seen it in 8 different sets so far around atlanta.

[nhaase]

I've got a 56" JVC HD-ILA, which is the same technology as the Sony SXRD (LCoS). I love it, I was looking at that and the SXRD, and chose mine because it has a more adjustable iris, so you can adjust the light more to better suit the room lighting. This fall JVC will be releasing a 58" projection TV which is only 10" deep, so while it's still not "flat panel," it's pretty close.

[ack_bak]

Originally Posted by daisuke149

sorry bro ive seen these day ina nd day out and their not that great. example in comparing 61" model.s Led = 3k, regular = 2100. Its not worth the extra 900 when your saving only a few hundred on bulbs and the picture isnt as bright or sharp.

Also if anyone cares to look at the screen for this carefully.. there are semi circular lines running across the screen at different points. Seen it in 8 different sets so far around atlanta.

It is 2199 via Amazon with free shipping and no tax (see the link I provided). Cannot speak for the screen issues you detected, but this set gets solid reviews from some major AV mags.

[mcy_999]

SXRD is the only to go. It is bright, fast, sharp and with superb color saturation. Get the biggest screen size that would fit right with your room. Screen size does matter if you want to create a theater like set-up. 55-60in is the minimum. The present price for the large size of LCD is still too high and not worth it. SXRD offers much faster response time than either DLP or LCD.

[daisuke149]

Originally Posted by ack_bak

It is 2199 via Amazon with free shipping and no tax (see the link I provided). Cannot speak for the screen issues you detected, but this set gets solid reviews from some major AV mags.

true but the non led version is 1500 online.

as for magazines sure but then again nearly everything in those magazines is garbage.

Having read alot of personal opinions on these sets from many many locations and personaly usage i'd say stay away from the LED systems. alot of people reporting burn light engines early on.

Btw check out the avsforum thread dedicated to the samsung LED systems. I havnt really read anythign good outta there yet.

[JakeNRoland]

Wow. Thank you everyone for you input. I think I'm sold on the SXRD. I think I was sold before I even started the thread, but it's nice to hear so much positive feedback in support of that initial thought.

Now I just need to save up and/or find some credit. LOL.

Probably going to shoot for the 55". We have a small living room. I could maybe push 60", but... that might be too much for the room.

[rbelong2us]

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-3z5ZfX0...chDisplay=Sony

[quote]Details:

» 55" widescreen HDTV (16:9 aspect ratio)
» built-in digital (ATSC) and analog (NTSC) tuners for over-the-air TV broadcasts (antenna required)
» built-in QAM cable TV tuner receives unscrambled programs without a set-top box (cable service required)
» 1080p 3-SXRD light engine (1920 x 1080 pixels)
» Motionflow™ 120Hz anti-blur technology for clearer motion
» 2.5-millisecond pixel response time
» 130°(H) x 60°(V) viewing angle
» adjustable/dynamic Advanced Iris for improved contrast and black level
» BRAVIA Engine™ EX digital video processing
» adjustable DRC MultiFunction v1 (upconverts lower-quality video signals)
» built-in stereo speakers (12 watts x 2)
» multibrand remote control
» BRAVIA Theatre Sync™ remote control networking system (HDMI-CEC)
» picture settings memory for each video input
» 8 A/V inputs, including:
• 3 composite video
• 1 S-video
• 2 component video (accepts signals up to 1080p)
• 3 HDMI digital audio/video inputs
(accepts signals up to 1080p — 60Hz, 24Hz)
» PC input: analog RGB (D-Sub 15-pin)
» RF input for antenna/cable signals
» optical digital audio output for Dolby® Digital
» compatible with optional BRAVIA Internet Video Link
» power consumption: 240 watts
» Energy Star® compliant
» 49-5/8"W x 36-1/4"H x 15-5/8"D
» weight: 81.7 lbs.
» warranty: 1 year parts & labor — in-home service
» Want more peace of mind? Extended Service Plans Available

Ok so this set looks awesome and I'm also in the market to upgrade soon but I have a question about Hz that I know some of you can answer.

Above I have bolded two lines that seem to be conflicting. I know there not, its just my ignorance, but can someone explain inputing 60hz-24hz into this set and the 120hz this set displays at?

I hope my question is clear, I'm of to work so hopefully it make sense.

Thanks for the help in advance.

[jnm422]

OP, I know you are already sold on the sony, but, burn-in is not as much a problem as some may lead you to believe. It was back when plasmas first came on the scene. Not anymore. I've read in multiple places that the burn-in fear is overhyped. These new 1080p panasonic plasmas are awesome.

[groovyone]

The new 60" Bravia A3000 just popped up at my local Best Buy for $2700. Very tempting, but I am thinking of holding out for a 52" XBR4.

[Teazle]

[QUOTE=rbelong2us;191595]http://www.crutchfield.com/S-3z5ZfX0...chDisplay=Sony

Details:

» 55" widescreen HDTV (16:9 aspect ratio)
» built-in digital (ATSC) and analog (NTSC) tuners for over-the-air TV broadcasts (antenna required)
» built-in QAM cable TV tuner receives unscrambled programs without a set-top box (cable service required)
» 1080p 3-SXRD light engine (1920 x 1080 pixels)
» Motionflow™ 120Hz anti-blur technology for clearer motion
» 2.5-millisecond pixel response time
» 130°(H) x 60°(V) viewing angle
» adjustable/dynamic Advanced Iris for improved contrast and black level
» BRAVIA Engine™ EX digital video processing
» adjustable DRC MultiFunction v1 (upconverts lower-quality video signals)
» built-in stereo speakers (12 watts x 2)
» multibrand remote control
» BRAVIA Theatre Sync™ remote control networking system (HDMI-CEC)
» picture settings memory for each video input
» 8 A/V inputs, including:
• 3 composite video
• 1 S-video
• 2 component video (accepts signals up to 1080p)
• 3 HDMI digital audio/video inputs
(accepts signals up to 1080p — 60Hz, 24Hz)
» PC input: analog RGB (D-Sub 15-pin)
» RF input for antenna/cable signals
» optical digital audio output for Dolby® Digital
» compatible with optional BRAVIA Internet Video Link
» power consumption: 240 watts
» Energy Star® compliant
» 49-5/8"W x 36-1/4"H x 15-5/8"D
» weight: 81.7 lbs.
» warranty: 1 year parts & labor — in-home service
» Want more peace of mind? Extended Service Plans Available

Ok so this set looks awesome and I'm also in the market to upgrade soon but I have a question about Hz that I know some of you can answer.

Above I have bolded two lines that seem to be conflicting. I know there not, its just my ignorance, but can someone explain inputing 60hz-24hz into this set and the 120hz this set displays at?

I hope my question is clear, I'm of to work so hopefully it make sense.

Thanks for the help in advance.

For a 24Hz signal (eg feature film on BD captured at 24fps) each frame is displayed five times in a second (5 x 24 = 120). The display itself keeps going at 120Hz, it's just that the frames are duplicated.

[Branden]

Originally Posted by rbelong2us

can someone explain inputing 60hz-24hz into this set and the 120hz this set displays at?

movies are filmed at 24 frames per second (24p, or 24Hz), television in NA is broadcast at 30Hz because electrical AC in NA is 60Hz. a device that runs at 60Hz can only display images running at a factor of 60 (60/2=30). in order for consumers in NA to be able to watch movies in the native 24Hz the TV converts the 60Hz AC to 120Hz which is now able to display movies at 24Hz (120/5=24).

most TVs are displaying 30fps but the source is only 24fps, essentially meaning there's 6 'hiccups' per second. this is most noticable during scenes where the camera does a slow pan, it won't seem very smooth. a 120Hz TV fixes this.

[cawgijoe]

I really like the Sony XBR LCD's, but they are not cheap.

My brother-in-law has the Sony 60" A2000 series SXRD set and he loves it.
The picture is terrific.

The new SXRD sets are priced very well.

The downside has been mentioned here.....not skiny like the LCD's.....the bulb will evetually need to be replaced.....and even though they are bright, you still want to make sure light doesn't shine on the screen.

You get alot of value for these sets.

[LeoneFan]

Great choice, SXRD all the way. I'm waiting for the XBR5 series SXRD coming in October. I hope the 70" comes in under $5000.

[richard lichtenfelt]

With a rear projection tv you have to replace the bulbs every few years at a cost of usually $300 to $600. LCD half brightness after 20yrs of watching 10hrs a day. If cost is the difference, in the long run the lcd is less expensive. Also, lcd tvs use far less electricity to run.
When you get right down it both are excellent if you invest in a quality brand.

[Cyan]

The OP said that he primarily plans on playing video games...everytime I've looked into buying a plasma, I was told that you should not play video games on plasma, as they have a tendency towards screen burn. Is this incorrect?

I researched alot of TVs before I bought mine, and ended up with a 65" Mitsubishi DLP. I thought the Sony was impressive, but, Sony televisions are pretty ridiculously overpriced, and often you're not really getting anything more out of it, other than the Sony name..or what you do get isn't worth an extra $1800.

Fortunately, this does not appear to be the case with Sony BluRay players

[daisuke149]

Originally Posted by Cyan

The OP said that he primarily plans on playing video games...everytime I've looked into buying a plasma, I was told that you should not play video games on plasma, as they have a tendency towards screen burn. Is this incorrect?

I researched alot of TVs before I bought mine, and ended up with a 65" Mitsubishi DLP. I thought the Sony was impressive, but, Sony televisions are pretty ridiculously overpriced, and often you're not really getting anything more out of it, other than the Sony name..or what you do get isn't worth an extra $1800.

Fortunately, this does not appear to be the case with Sony BluRay players

sorry bro but comparing a mitsu dlp to the sony sxrd isnt even a competition. the mitsu's are pretty terrible side by side in clarity, sharpness, colors, brightness contrast. We've had many many mitsu's come thru our store and ill be honest. We had to mark one brand new 65" 1080p dlp mitsu at 1200 before anyone would even consider buying it cus the floor model sat next to a sony 60" sxrd. at 1101.93 someone purchased it.

I myself wouldnt.

You do save money no questions but in terms of quality you do get alot more with the sony.

as for the person talking about bulbs etc and lifespans. Half life of an lcd doesnt matter. neither for a plasma. Most recent studies show most plasma's realistically lasting average 6-7 years and lcd's 10 years. This is still their expected true lifetime not their "bulb half life".

[Cyan]

I absolutely looked at a side by side comparison for them. Yes, there was some difference in clarity. No, there was not nearly enough to warrant the Sony model costing almost 2 grand more than the one I bought. In fairness, I bought the high end 65" DLP, which is largely superior to the other versions.

[daisuke149]

i know the model ur talking about dont worry about that. Its still not nearly as good as the sxrd's tho. good bang for the buck. but in the end a hyundai isnt a bmw. ya know?