I pre-ordered HD DVD

[GTP]

Originally Posted by Sony1

I have not heard what the PS3 is going to cost, but I can only imagine that if production costs alone are 800$ than the price for the PS3 is going to be significantly higher than you and the average consumer are willing to pay. If the PS3 cost's 699$ which is what I think it will(Sony can only take so-much of a loss) than that tells me that this DVD War is going to go on for a while. Possiple 5 to 10 years before something better comes down the road, and that also means that their will be no winner. Just something for all of us to consider here.

Latest production cost estimates are 630.00 - at least 150.00 like every other game system since the ps1 and xbox.
Toshiba has not made a decent player in over 7 years....not one.
Sony, Pioneer and Panasonic have all made quite a few of the highest rated players over the last 7 years or more.

HD DVD has a lousy 42% studio support that goes along with it, and not one other player coming to market officially besides the crappy Toshiba brand players.

Blu Ray has 82 movie titles in 06 alone that won't be available on hd dvd.
I will absolutely not support either hd dvd...or Toshiba unless they pull off a miracle in a year or so...but as there are only 10k Toshiba players that are not pre sold on the way....with no official announcement of when more players will be available....how could they possibly compete with studio support, all the hardware support, and the PS3?
The answer is they can't.

The PS3 will put 6 million players in the U.S. alone by March 06...which means 2-3 million BD players not counting stand alones.

[GTP]

Almost forgot that list as well as street pricing has Blu ray movies as cheaper than hd dvd so far.

[Sony1]

Originally Posted by GTP

Latest production cost estimates are 630.00 - at least 150.00 like every other game system since the ps1 and xbox.
Toshiba has not made a decent player in over 7 years....not one.
Sony, Pioneer and Panasonic have all made quite a few of the highest rated players over the last 7 years or more.

I am sorry to inform you that your intel on production costs for the PS3 are incorrect. 630.00$ is at least a year down the road after it is released in November. http://www.sci-tech-today.com/news/S...d=033003ON4SH3

I wish it were true that it would only costs 500.$ however I believe that will be impossible given the R n D costs and all the Blue-ray manufacturing costs are higher than a standard DVD drive. It will take some time to get the cost down, Unless Sony is willing to take a massive loss and cut the price in half. The real question is weather or not this will come out in November?

[Marwin]

Originally Posted by shiltz

I don't know where you are getting two of those things Blu-ray being better.

Durability, some Blu-ray disks may have a hard protective coating but it it's not the standard and Blu-ray disks have a significantly thiner protective layer than HD-DVD so I wouldn't say Blu-ray wins there, at best it's a draw.

Quality, both support 1080p so Blu-ray has no quality advantage.

There will be no discs without a hard-coating, they just won't be durable enough without it with such a thin protection layer. Whether you view this as being weaker or stronger is another thing. The end result will be a more durable disc, but it could cost a bit more.

When it comes to 1080p both formats support it, but the first Toshiba HD-DVD players will only output 1080i, so in the short term this is a difference.

[GTP]

Originally Posted by Sony1

Latest production cost estimates are 630.00 - at least 150.00 like every other game system since the ps1 and xbox.
Toshiba has not made a decent player in over 7 years....not one.
Sony, Pioneer and Panasonic have all made quite a few of the highest rated players over the last 7 years or more.

I am sorry to inform you that your intel on production costs for the PS3 are incorrect. 630.00$ is at least a year down the road after it is released in November. http://www.sci-tech-today.com/news/S...d=033003ON4SH3

I wish it were true that it would only costs 500.$ however I believe that will be impossible given the R n D costs and all the Blue-ray manufacturing costs are higher than a standard DVD drive. It will take some time to get the cost down, Unless Sony is willing to take a massive loss and cut the price in half. The real question is weather or not this will come out in November?

A post ago, you new nothing of cost, then you drag up one older prediction

The first time M/L said 900.00, and then admitted they screwed up and it changed to 800.00, then finnally they said 630.00 as build cost.
The fact that it was delayed lowered costs 170.00 evidently.

Every console including PS2 and all xbox's sells for a minimum of 150.00 less than cost...putting the latest estimate as 500.00 or less.

In the U.S.....the ps3 will be 500.00 or less...there is no doubt.
Most will be paying much more on flea bay or in a bundle only scenario...but the actual sale price will be 500.00 or less.

[john_1958]

http://search.deepdiscountdvd.com/se...s=custom&w=blr

discount blr movie webpage

Looks like late june to get any movies the way they postpone things

look how much the first hdtv sets were when they came on market so why not get bd player
i know these have been posted before but here is my movie lists of getting

Blu-ray Discs Already Announced
» The Terminator (June 13, 2006) » The Punisher (May 23, 2006)
» Lord of War (May 23, 2006)
» Ice Age (TBA 2006)
» Behind Enemy Lines (TBA 2006)
» The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (TBA 2006)
» Fantastic Four (TBA 2006)
» The Manchurian Candidate (TBA 2006)
» We Were Soldiers (TBA 2006)
» Sleepy Hollow (TBA 2006)
» Lara Croft: Tomb Raider (TBA 2006)
» The Italian Job (TBA 2006)
» Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow (TBA 2006)
» Aeon Flux (TBA 2006)
» Sahara (TBA 2006)
» Four Brothers (TBA 2006)
» The Bridge on the River Kwai (TBA 2006)
» Black Hawk Down (TBA 2006)
» xXx (May 23, 2006)
» S.W.A.T. (June 13, 2006)
» Species (June 13, 2006)
» Stealth (June 13, 2006)
» Sense and Sensibility (TBA 2006)
» RoboCop (June 13, 2006)
» Resident Evil: Apocalypse (May 23, 2006)
» Legends of the Fall (June 13, 2006)
» Kung Fu Hustle (June 13, 2006)
» A Knight's Tale (May 23, 2006)
» The Guns of Navarone (TBA 2006)
» For a Few Dollars More (TBA 2006)
» Desperado (TBA 2006)
» Bram Stoker's Dracula (TBA 2006)
» The Fifth Element (May 23, 2006)
» Underworld: Evolution (June 6, 2006)
» 50 First Dates (May 23, 2006)
» Crash (May 23, 2006)
» Rambo: First Blood Part II (TBA 2006)
» House of Flying Daggers (May 23, 2006)
» Hitch (May 23, 2006)
» Dinosaur (TBA 2006)
» Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back (TBA 2006)
» Armageddon (TBA 2006)
» The Great Raid (TBA 2006)
» The Brothers Grimm (TBA 2006)
» Ladder 49 (TBA 2006)
» Dark Water (TBA 2006)
» Hero (TBA 2006)
» Kill Bill: Volume One (TBA 2006)
» Unforgiven (TBA 2006)
» Twister (TBA 2006)
» Troy (TBA 2006)
» Training Day (TBA 2006)
» Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines (TBA 2006)
» Swordfish (TBA 2006)
» Ocean's Twelve (TBA 2006)
» Million Dollar Baby (TBA 2006)
» The Matrix (TBA 2006)
» Lethal Weapon (TBA 2006)
» The Last Samurai (TBA 2006)
» Dukes of Hazzard (TBA 2006)
» Constantine (TBA 2006)
» Charlie & the Chocolate Factory (TBA 2006)
» Batman Begins (TBA 2006)
» First Blood (TBA 2006)
» Total Recall (TBA 2006)
» Reservoir Dogs (TBA 2006)
» Terminator 2: Judgment Day (May 23, 2006)
» Saw (May 23, 2006)
» The Devil's Rejects (TBA 2006)

[Sony1]

GTP I know of no one in this forum that has any scence at all that will claim the PS3 will cost 500.00$ or less, I wish it were true but to say that is pure speculation on your part and mine, however all indications at this point say at least 650.00$. Maybe at the E3 their will be some more news on this.

[GTP]

Originally Posted by Sony1

GTP I know of no one in this forum that has any scence at all that will claim the PS3 will cost 500.00$ or less, I wish it were true but to say that is pure speculation on your part and mine, however all indications at this point say at least 650.00$. Maybe at the E3 their will be some more news on this.

Like I said...the latest cost to make estimates said 630.00...and history says at least a minimum of 150.00 off of the cost in the U.S.
Combine this with the fact that anything over 500.00, would lose Sony the gaming market to XBOX as gamers will not pay more than that in any great number....and common sense says it will be 500.00 or less U.S.

My prediction is based on the most current cost estimate as of a month ago...as well as console subsidising history in the U.S. and Sonys desire to keep the gaming crown...as well as push BD.

Will soon see whos right...I say my prediction is dead on.

[GTP]

Originally Posted by john_1958

http://search.deepdiscountdvd.com/se...s=custom&w=blr

discount blr movie webpage

Looks like late june to get any movies the way they postpone things

look how much the first hdtv sets were when they came on market so why not get bd player
i know these have been posted before but here is my movie lists of getting

Blu-ray Discs Already Announced
» The Terminator (June 13, 2006) » The Punisher (May 23, 2006)
» Lord of War (May 23, 2006)
» Ice Age (TBA 2006)
» Behind Enemy Lines (TBA 2006)
» The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (TBA 2006)
» Fantastic Four (TBA 2006)
» The Manchurian Candidate (TBA 2006)
» We Were Soldiers (TBA 2006)
» Sleepy Hollow (TBA 2006)
» Lara Croft: Tomb Raider (TBA 2006)
» The Italian Job (TBA 2006)
» Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow (TBA 2006)
» Aeon Flux (TBA 2006)
» Sahara (TBA 2006)
» Four Brothers (TBA 2006)
» The Bridge on the River Kwai (TBA 2006)
» Black Hawk Down (TBA 2006)
» xXx (May 23, 2006)
» S.W.A.T. (June 13, 2006)
» Species (June 13, 2006)
» Stealth (June 13, 2006)
» Sense and Sensibility (TBA 2006)
» RoboCop (June 13, 2006)
» Resident Evil: Apocalypse (May 23, 2006)
» Legends of the Fall (June 13, 2006)
» Kung Fu Hustle (June 13, 2006)
» A Knight's Tale (May 23, 2006)
» The Guns of Navarone (TBA 2006)
» For a Few Dollars More (TBA 2006)
» Desperado (TBA 2006)
» Bram Stoker's Dracula (TBA 2006)
» The Fifth Element (May 23, 2006)
» Underworld: Evolution (June 6, 2006)
» 50 First Dates (May 23, 2006)
» Crash (May 23, 2006)
» Rambo: First Blood Part II (TBA 2006)
» House of Flying Daggers (May 23, 2006)
» Hitch (May 23, 2006)
» Dinosaur (TBA 2006)
» Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back (TBA 2006)
» Armageddon (TBA 2006)
» The Great Raid (TBA 2006)
» The Brothers Grimm (TBA 2006)
» Ladder 49 (TBA 2006)
» Dark Water (TBA 2006)
» Hero (TBA 2006)
» Kill Bill: Volume One (TBA 2006)
» Unforgiven (TBA 2006)
» Twister (TBA 2006)
» Troy (TBA 2006)
» Training Day (TBA 2006)
» Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines (TBA 2006)
» Swordfish (TBA 2006)
» Ocean's Twelve (TBA 2006)
» Million Dollar Baby (TBA 2006)
» The Matrix (TBA 2006)
» Lethal Weapon (TBA 2006)
» The Last Samurai (TBA 2006)
» Dukes of Hazzard (TBA 2006)
» Constantine (TBA 2006)
» Charlie & the Chocolate Factory (TBA 2006)
» Batman Begins (TBA 2006)
» First Blood (TBA 2006)
» Total Recall (TBA 2006)
» Reservoir Dogs (TBA 2006)
» Terminator 2: Judgment Day (May 23, 2006)
» Saw (May 23, 2006)
» The Devil's Rejects (TBA 2006)

Actually.... dvd empire has all there titles except one, listed as 5-23-06 release date.
For some of the best pricing on Blu Ray, check here www.dvdpricesearch.com just search for Blu Ray, and you will find titles as low as 18.50.

[marzetta7]

Originally Posted by shiltz

I don't know where you are getting two of those things Blu-ray being better.

Durability, some Blu-ray disks may have a hard protective coating but it it's not the standard and Blu-ray disks have a significantly thiner protective layer than HD-DVD so I wouldn't say Blu-ray wins there, at best it's a draw.

Quality, both support 1080p so Blu-ray has no quality advantage.

Durability: Well, considering that all Blu-ray discs will have some sort of Durabis coating equivalent, I think my statement regarding better durability in regards to Blu-ray discs as compared to HD DVD discs is accurate. Especially, when one considers that HD DVD will be offering what in regards to disc protection?....anyone?...Bueller?...that's right, their not doing anything different than what they have done with current DVD technology. In my experience, the protection currently offered for DVDs is far less than adequate, as my discs inevitably get scratched despite my efforts on the contrary. In addition, when you think about it, we are talking about a more densely packed disc in terms of pits on the discs which means that normal scratch that inevitably shows up on your DVD will now screw up a whole bunch more info on you unprotected HD DVD. Moreover, when you consider the demonstrations of Durabis where they've taken wool pads, dirt, sand, ink, and heck even a screw driver that I've seen and read about, you leave quite impressed. Furthermore, my recommendation to you would be, go ahead and give that a try on a regular DVD now and get back with me on how well your disc plays will ya. In the meantime, I'll go ahead and support the discs that do in fact offer some Durabis or other coating equivalent protection. It is far from a draw in my mind.

Quality: As Marwin has already mentioned, yes both Blu-ray and HD DVD have the capability of 1080P on the disc itself, but the hardware for HD DVD (in true HD DVD fashion giving you the least bang for your buck) will ONLY output 1080i. All, if not most Blu-ray players are 1080P.

PS3 Price: All one has to do is use a bit of common sense as GTP has mentioned, and know that Sony would be doomed if the price of the PS3 is over $499. I believe Sony is well aware of this. Moreover, no one really knows what the cost of components are going to be for the PS3 but Sony for sure, especially when purchased in bulk quantities--as in millions. So when figures are thrown out that given the cost of Blu-ray components, the PS3 will cost $700 or $800 I just take it as nothing more than FUDsters for HD DVD or Microsoft.

And speaking of Microsoft, I'm suprised that more people aren't talking about the fact that Microsoft's native HD DVD support (according to HD DVD pundits, a big plus) won't see the light of day until after millions of PS3s have been sold. Ouch. That can't help HD DVDs cause for sure, not like they were going far anyhow considering the majority of the market--Consumer electronics, Hollywood (including Porn studios), and information technologies, you take your pick--are against them. All I'm saying is, I think HD DVD will certainly be short lived, and rightfully so.

[thunderhawk]

All I can say is, couldn't agree more...

[GTP]

Marzetta7 speaks the truth about Microsoft FUDsters.

They claimed Warner would release no Blu Ray....wrong.
They later claimed Warner would only give partial support...wrong again.
They said BD movies would cost more than hd dvd...wrong.
They said the next gen hd dvd players would absolutely have 1080p, and even suggested it was possible to upgrade the first players via firmware...while at the same time stating 1080p had no advantages....wrong on all counts.
The head FUDster actually told me that the Toshiba players would be made in Japan....which will soon be known as yet another ...wrong.
FUDsters also suggested the Toshiba hdmi could possibly be upgraded to 1.3 via firmware.....wrong again.

Mr Fujii him self recently stated that there were no plans for 1080p at this time in the Japan launch article.....debunking the constant Fud about that subject....and calling this FUD is being too kind imo.

Theres a whole lot more FUD at a certain huge A/V site besides these examples that have also later been proven to be FUD.

Doesn't anyone besides myself think that if hd dvd were even close to being a hit, they would have sold out the first batch of 10k players by now

I bought the very first sd dvd player mail order and I believe it was a 4-500.00Quasar....at least in name, that turned out to be a piece of crap.
I then went to buy the Sony 7000es and found there was a waiting list before it was even released.
A month later , I finnally got one for 1200.00 list I believe, and it indeed was a vast improvement over the cheaper player in every regard.

If a/v geeks can't buy up the 10k hd dvd players in advance, that is very sad for hd dvd to say the least.

Average homes will buy few if any hd dvd players for quite some time, but they will be getting a PS3 that I am sure Sony will market the BD section to educate these average consumers on BD.
Most long term a/v enthusiast that only support one format, will support Blu Ray, and most early adopters are the kind of enthusiasts that have dvd players that cost as much as the Sony Blu Ray player...or much more in cases like mine because we want the better quality players, and not just a cheap player based on price.

FUD, a huge lack of studio support, and the fact that Toshiba has built crap players for years now....all have me not even considering buying into hd dvd which I still believe will die out by mid 07...if not sooner.

[phloyd]

Originally Posted by GTP

I then went to buy the Sony 7000es and found there was a waiting list before it was even released.
A month later , I finnally got one for 1200.00 list I believe, and it indeed was a vast improvement over the cheaper player in every regard.

My 7000 still runs. I expect that I will pay the same for my BD player that I paid for that. Seems reasonable to me.

Something that is key, though, is the Universal releases. New movies like Serenity and Doom (at the low low price of $35??? ) as well as the promise of King Kong will help the HD DVD cause.

But for myself I am willing to wait out the release times and see what is being offered by both camps in the June July time frame...

[zombie]

Originally Posted by phloyd

Something that is key, though, is the Universal releases. New movies like Serenity and Doom (at the low low price of $35??? ) as well as the promise of King Kong will help the HD DVD cause.

I've seen this claim of a promise of King Kong on HD DVD on another forum as well. Do you have a link? Perhaps I missed this bit of info. I'm curious to read it for myself. Was it a comment from Universal or simply speculation from the author of an article?

Either way, I stand by my claim that Universal will be supporting BD by year's end, if not sooner.

[GTP]

[QUOTE=phloyd]My 7000 still runs. I expect that I will pay the same for my BD player that I paid for that. Seems reasonable to me.

Something that is key, though, is the Universal releases. New movies like Serenity and Doom (at the low low price of $35??? ) as well as the promise of King Kong will help the HD DVD cause.

King Kong is a decent movie...but I don't care for Doom...or Serenity...and 35.00 for a catalog title is downright insanely high pricing.

[georgir]

well, one thing i know - what movies are released on hd-dvd or bluray won't matter to me one bit. they all can easily be recorded on the other type of media too.
i _will_ have a bluray writer for sure, and when cheap (even if reader-only) hddvd drives come i'll have one of them too. (edit: if hddvd isnt completely dead by a couple months, that is)

[tron3]

Originally Posted by Sony1

Well people I did it. I pre-ordered the toshiba HD DVD at Bestbuy.com today. ....

Heretic! :-p

I plan on waiting for the new Spiderman 3 movie to be released in 2007. By then, a clear winner should be obvious and allow me to buy a player that will play Spiderman 3 in hi-def.

Machines will be a little better, and cheaper by then, I hope.
Yeah baby, yeah!

[The Don]

Originally Posted by tron3

Heretic! :-p

I plan on waiting for the new Spiderman 3 movie to be released in 2007. By then, a clear winner should be obvious and allow me to buy a player that will play Spiderman 3 in hi-def.

Machines will be a little better, and cheaper by then, I hope.
Yeah baby, yeah!

I don't see a winner until about 2010...

people will be alot slower to convert from DVD to HD DVD because the transition isn't as drastic and people will be more likely to wait this out until the price is much more convenient...

aside from PS3 purchases, I think the HD format will be a slow burn in the DVD realm..

[zombie]

I give HD DVD a year, tops. By early spring next year they'll realize they can no longer compete with Blu-ray because of PS3 becoming a big success late this year.

[tron3]

Originally Posted by The Don

I don't see a winner until about 2010...

people will be alot slower to convert from DVD to HD DVD because the transition isn't as drastic and people will be more likely to wait this out until the price is much more convenient...

aside from PS3 purchases, I think the HD format will be a slow burn in the DVD realm..

There are still lots of people who still only have VHS. They won't go to DVD because of the cost to convert. Some of the more sane ones got a vhs/dvd player combo.

You have to realize, the market is filled with all kinds of demographics. Some are drooling early adopters, many (like me) have a "wait and see" approach, and still others are too damn poor or cheap to move on.

VHS is about 30 years old now, and movies are still released on tape. Heck, the last vinyl album was made in 1990. Tape and CD took over. Now, even CD is threatened because of Ipod's and MP3 players.

Indeed, DVD will live for decades, but I don't plan on waiting too long to get a hi-def player. Some movies I will definately re-purchase in HD, others no. Probably because they won't be available.

As consumers we need to be wary of Hi-Def movies being made that are little more than the DVD version stuck on a new disc. Doesn't mean it will truly be in Hi-Def.