Inception (2010) Never in 3D

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by mikejet

I think Titanic will be a good litmus test if it is worthwhile to do. Cameron is overseeing the entire conversion right?

Cameron is not only overseaing but devoting over 18 months to it so it can be done right. Its sure to look great.

As for Inception Im not against doing it in principle but I am worried that since its being done specifically for the very limited home 3D market that Warner will try to do it cheap. My opinion if Nolan is against it I don't want it done. However a time consuming conversion with Nolan overseeing the whole thing could be a great enhancement.

[Lovemy3D]

Originally Posted by ckenisell

I want to become a lucid dreamer. How do I do it? Or rather, how do I learn to do it. Do tell.

If you seriously want to do it, it is a skill that can be learned. Most people should be able to do it given they have enough motivation and patience. Some people have to work harder at it than others.The key ingredients to being successful at inducing lucid dreams, is motivation, patience, and persistence. Since this is a Blu-ray forum, and not a lucid dreaming one. I'll try to keep this as short as I can.

There are quite a few different techniques, including the use of supplements that can help make one more aware in their dreams. The most basic way to do it, and the way I have pretty good success with, is a fairly simple concept.

You just start always questioning whether or not you are dreaming while you are awake. You keep the thought in the for front of your mind as often as you possibly can, and always be on the lookout for things that seem strange or out of place. Any kind of abnormality that you can notice in your dream that clues you in that the fact that you might be dreaming is called a dreamsign. They can be random things, or things that happen often enough that every time you see them they will cause you to realize you are dreaming.
If you are always asking yourself if you are in a dream, you will eventually do it while in a dream. And with any luck, at that point, you will realize the truth of your situation. And believe me, it's well worth the effort. It's the most incredible experience a person can have.

There is also something called reality checks. It's similar to what they used Totems for in Inception. It's a way to prove to yourself beyond any doubt that you are in a dream. There a three that I use most often. My favorite is to simply pinch my nose closed and try to breath through it. Unless your waking life nose is plugged up, in a dream you will be able to breath through your pinched nose no matter how hard you try to stop the air from going through.

Digital watches are great too. If you look at your watch there can be any number of odd things you will see. The easiest way is to look at your watch, look away, then look back at it again. If you're in a dream, your watch will nearly always say something different the second time you look. Sometimes the first time you look the numbers will be all scrambled and broken and you will know right away.

Another one I like to do is push my finger completely through the palm of my hand. so that it sticks out the other side. That's always fun. If you do these reality checks often during the day, and most importantly every time you think something weird is going on. You will eventually end up doing it in a dream even if you don't really believe you are dreaming at the time, and end up very surprised at the result.

I have a couple of online dream journals at Mortal Mist.com where I record all of my lucid dreams, and a lot of my normal dreams too. It's a lucid dreaming forum. If you go there you can learn all the techniques, and anything else you need to know in order to induce lucid dreams. And also to learn dream control skills once you are becoming lucid. you can also benefit from reading about others experiences, and discussing the subject with some very skilled dreamers. You could even start a journal of your own if you wish to do so. They are a great group of people, and it's a lot of fun.

[Suntory_Times]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

As I have said repeatedly I think Native 3D is the best way to go about shooting a 3D movie.

However just because Clash of the Titans, Pirhanna, and The Last Airbender had mediocre to poor conversions doesn't make all conversions bad. The Nightmare Before Christmas and Alice in Wonderland both looked very good in converted 3D and had they been natively shot the differences would be minimal. Conversions can look as good as native 3D but if done right are expensive if anything more expensive then the challenges of a native 3D shoot. Thats why the fight should focus not against all conversions but against cheaply done ones.

I love that conversion exists and we have the possibility of getting quality 3D presentations of great 2D movies if the original filmmakers approve of course. Titanic is sure to look great when it comes in 2012.

No they can't. They can look good, but not as good as native 3d. To quote James Cameron, a good conversion is more like 2.8D. Alice in wonderlands cgi was all done in real 3d, not converted, and that part of the film looked great, the converted elements where very average. I'm not against conversions, but i'm against converting when you could have shot in 3d to begin with.

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by Suntory_Times

No they can't. They can look good, but not as good as native 3d. To quote James Cameron, a good conversion is more like 2.8D. Alice in wonderlands cgi was all done in real 3d, not converted, and that part of the film looked great, the converted elements where very average. I'm not against conversions, but i'm against converting when you could have shot in 3d to begin with.

I mostly agree. Probably the best conversion I have seen was the trailer for Chronicles of Narnia Voyage of the Dawn Treader. It was very very close to as good as the Native 3D movie that followed.

Theoretically a conversion can match a Native 3D but it rarely if ever happens because of time and money constraints. Even the best conversions haven't quite matched Native movies. But Alice in Wonderland came close.

Ive said repeatedly on this forum that I think shooting a movie in 3D is the best option when avalible. However I totally disagree with your statement that there have never been a "decent" conversion. Cameron has a bias towards Native 3D because he has patents on the Fusion Camera. And even he admitts that conversions can look more then decent if done right.

[Suntory_Times]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

I mostly agree. Probably the best conversion I have seen was the trailer for Chronicles of Narnia Voyage of the Dawn Treader. It was very very close to as good as the Native 3D movie that followed.

Theoretically a conversion can match a Native 3D but it rarely if ever happens because of time and money constraints. Even the best conversions haven't quite matched Native movies. But Alice in Wonderland came close.

Ive said repeatedly on this forum that I think shooting a movie in 3D is the best option when avalible. However I totally disagree with your statement that there have never been a "decent" conversion. Cameron has a bias towards Native 3D because he has patents on the Fusion Camera. And even he admitts that conversions can look more then decent if done right.

I didn't say it couldn't look good, I said it couldn't look as good. You can't create what is not there, hence things shot in 3d will look better then even the best conversion, ceteris paribus.

[Batman Begins]

I don't think Nolan would do it.

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by Batman Begins

I don't think Nolan would do it.

Nolan on 3D

“3D I think is an interesting development in movies or the resurgence of 3D. It’s something we’re looking at and watching. There are certain limitations of shooting in 3D. You have to shoot on video, which I’m not a fan of. I like shooting on film. And so then you’re looking at post-conversion processes which are moving forward in exciting ways.”

"We did tests on "Inception" to look at the post conversion process, and they worked very well. It's quite easy to do, in fact. But it takes a little time, and we didn't have the time to do it to the standard that I would have been happy."

Judging by his statements on the issue Nolan hardly seems like 3Ds biggest fan but I don't see him opposed to it either. Seems like had Nolan had more time Inception would have had a 3D option. Nolan was right to drop it to avoid a Clash of the Titans fiasco

[Dase]

I hope they leave well enough alone. This movie was not meant for 3D. If Nolan does something in 3D, he will take the time to do it correctly, not a post production patchwork job on an already perfect film. My .02...

[Hale-Bopp]

Originally Posted by Suntory_Times

I didn't say it couldn't look good, I said it couldn't look as good. You can't create what is not there, hence things shot in 3d will look better then even the best conversion, ceteris paribus.

Exactly why conversions should not be made.

[Tech-UK]

I do not agree with these 2D-3D conversions, no matter how good the algorithms are to produce these presentations. Prime example;

[Show spoiler]Clash of the Titans .

I'm not totally against 3D, especially if the film was shot natively in 3D or is an animated film, i.e. UP (Great in 3D). Please leave this great film alone and bring on the blu-ray .

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by Tech-UK

I do not agree with these 2D-3D conversions, no matter how good the algorithms are to produce these presentations. Prime example;

[Show spoiler]Clash of the Titans .

I'm not totally against 3D, especially if the film was shot natively in 3D or is an animated film, i.e. UP (Great in 3D). Please leave this great film alone and bring on the blu-ray .

Inception is coming to 2D Blu-Ray in December and any possible 3D version released later will have a 2D option for sure. So I don't see the big deal. Even if this 3D conversion is crap in the mold of Clash of the Titans the 2D version will always be avalible and will always survive. So the way I see it we have nothing to lose but alot to gain from the conversion process.

[Hale-Bopp]

If a 2D conversion looks inferior to native 3D film processes, then what have we gained?

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by Hale-Bopp

If a 2D conversion looks inferior to native 3D film processes, then what have we gained?

Even if it won't quite match native 3D there is still much to be gained. It can be a nice computer enhancement. No different then any other visual enhancement added after shooting.

[Suntory_Times]

Originally Posted by Hale-Bopp

Exactly why conversions should not be made.

I'm not against it if proper time is taken to have good results, and the option of shotting in 3d wasn't available at the time. However the option to shoot in 3d is now available, so any film that decides to convert instead of shot nativly I am against.

[Lovemy3D]

Had a great lucid sex dream last night, in the middle of a crowded restaurant.
Just one of the many benefits of lucid dreaming. Complete sexual freedom. Ha ha.

[Suntory_Times]

Originally Posted by Lovemy3D

Had a great lucid sex dream last night, in the middle of a crowded restaurant.
Just one of the many benefits of lucid dreaming. Complete sexual freedom. Ha ha.

If that's the best you can do with a lucid dream you need help.

[Lovemy3D]

Originally Posted by Suntory_Times

If that's the best you can do with a lucid dream you need help.

Lol. No, that's far from the best. And something I don't use it for that often. Because I see it as kind of a waist after putting so much work into inducing them. But there are times when it just is the thing to do, and can be a hell of a good time.

If you are a guy, you can't tell me that if you had your pick of literally any hot female you can see around you, or even summon if you have the skill to summon a particular person you want. That you wouldn't be giving in to the temptation from time to time. Especially since your body is naturally aroused during REM sleep. Trust me, you would. If not, there must be something wrong with you lol.

For me, it's actually just the feeling of being in a dream completely aware that it's a dream, and the sense of absolute freedom that you simply can not experience anywhere else. That, in combination with some of the most intensely beautiful imagery you could ever see is what has me so addicted to it.

[ckenisell]

I have dreams where I'm levitating and flying a lot and I can remember them very well. I want to be able to do that more often.

[Lovemy3D]

Originally Posted by ckenisell

I have dreams where I'm levitating and flying a lot and I can remember them very well. I want to be able to do that more often.

Cool, flying and free falling is some of the best fun. Did you see my post to your question before? You should check out Mortal Mist lucid dreaming forum. If you decide to join let me know your user name. There are some other bigger forums too, like Dream Views. I no longer go to that one. And some others I think, that I never used. Mortal Mist was created by some previous Dream Views Administrators. It's a smaller, but much better dreaming forum.

[Suntory_Times]

Originally Posted by Lovemy3D

Lol. No, that's far from the best. And something I don't use it for that often. Because I see it as kind of a waist after putting so much work into inducing them. But there are times when it just is the thing to do, and can be a hell of a good time.

If you are a guy, you can't tell me that if you had your pick of literally any hot female you can see around you, or even summon if you have the skill to summon a particular person you want. That you wouldn't be giving in to the temptation from time to time. Especially since your body is naturally aroused during REM sleep. Trust me, you would. If not, there must be something wrong with you lol.

For me, it's actually just the feeling of being in a dream completely aware that it's a dream, and the sense of absolute freedom that you simply can not experience anywhere else. That, in combination with some of the most intensely beautiful imagery you could ever see is what has me so addicted to it.

I can do that in real life so don't need to in my dreams. The only times I have become aware of my dreams was when I was younger, I have not been able to recall any dream at all in over ten years now.