Sony Q3 Results are in - 6.3m PS3s, $564m profit in NPS!

[PS3-Playb3yond]

Originally Posted by AranhaHunter

Price cut to U$300? That was awhile ago...

Wait a sec, this is for recent sales lol. It doesn't feel like the Slim has been out that long in my mind but you're right, that was a while ago. It says this is from April to December of 2010, I don't know, something must have changed to lure consumers to buy. Whatever it is it worked!

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by PS3-Playb3yond

Wait a sec, this is for recent sales lol. It doesn't feel like the Slim has been out that long in my mind but you're right, that was a while ago. It says this is from April to December of 2010, I don't know, something must have changed to lure consumers to buy. Whatever it is it worked!

October - December. April to December sales are 12.2m for the 9 month period.

[nameisjimbo]

Originally Posted by Terjyn

Hardly new. This is the same argument used last year...and the year before...

They've been saying it from the moment the first report came out that showed the PS3 as even slightly successful, primarily because these were the people who'd only look at NPD and think that either was or represented the entire world.

Not unexpected considering the "first to 10 million" stuffage that occurred in 2006. In comparison, any overstocking of the ps3 is mild. Fanboys will be fanboys.

[PS3-Playb3yond]

Originally Posted by Maximus

October - December. April to December sales are 12.2m for the 9 month period.

Yeah, I was looking at the total sales for 10/11. I see the sales were better this year except the 0.2 drop in Q3. I don't know what the LTD stands for but it looks like the numbers are still high overall than 09/10.

Hardware Sales   Ap-Jn    Jl-Sp    Oc-Dc    Ja-Mr     FY       LTD

FY 2006/07         -        -       1.7      1.8      3.5      3.5

FY 2007/08        0.7      1.3      4.9      2.2      9.1      12.6 

FY 2008/09        1.6      2.4      4.5      1.6      10.1     22.7 

FY 2009/10        1.1      3.2      6.5      2.2      13.0     35.7

FY 2010/11        2.4      3.5      6.3       -       12.2     47.9

[BluStation 3]

Originally Posted by Deadset

These numbers are from their company report, so they follow all the accounting rules everyone else does, so I wouldn't speculate that they fudged the numbers in any means. Sure companies do legal things to prop up numbers, but I wouldn't say that Sony did that unless you know otherwise.

Sales do seem flat year over year...but if you look at the PS3 numbers, they are trending up even if they did have a less than stellar Q3 this year.

Wow you got some serious issues coming in here talking this non-sense. This matches the best ever quarter sales figures by Microsoft even after the tremendous sales they did with Kinect and you sum it up to "less than stellar"?? Im speechless.

[ariakon]

To be fair to MS, the NPD numbers are heavily skewed in their favor because the US is by far their strongest market. Kinect did very well here, did pretty well in the UK, but didn't latch onto the rest of Europe or Japan as tightly. It's nice to see both MS and Sony doing well because, if I have to be honest, I don't get much use out of my Wii. Don't get me wrong, I like the games Nintendo makes, but the vast majority of Wii games are intended for kids. Not too many God of Wars or Mass Effects coming out for them. Now, if only the guys who owned 360s in my area weren't so obsessed about 'proving' to me that I should convert to the Xbox branch of unitology...

[saprano]

Originally Posted by Maximus

October - December. April to December sales are 12.2m for the 9 month period.

More slims sold than phats now.

Originally Posted by BluStation 3

Wow you got some serious issues coming in here talking this non-sense. This matches the best ever quarter sales figures by Microsoft even after the tremendous sales they did with Kinect and you sum it up to "less than stellar"?? Im speechless.

Its sony so it doesn't count.

The $500 million kinect sure did wonders!

[FinalEvangelion]

I guess MS continues to have the same issue - people outside of America don't really care so much about the Xbox brand.

[BlackMamba]

Originally Posted by FinalEvangelion

I guess MS continues to have the same issue - people outside of America don't really care so much about the Xbox brand.

Microsoft needs to take tips from what Ford did in China or what Samsung did in Brazil. To be honest, I don't think that MS has been doing a horrible job with marketing over there (in Asia), it's that people are stubborn and sometimes a bit ethnocentric when it comes to established regional brands (e.g. Sony).

[Deadset]

Originally Posted by BluStation 3

Wow you got some serious issues coming in here talking this non-sense. This matches the best ever quarter sales figures by Microsoft even after the tremendous sales they did with Kinect and you sum it up to "less than stellar"?? Im speechless.

Personal attacks are the best form of rebuttal aren't they? Again, who said anything about MS? You sony boys need to let MS go and discuss things without constantly bringing them up.

[BluStation 3]

Originally Posted by Deadset

Personal attacks are the best form of rebuttal aren't they? Again, who said anything about MS? You sony boys need to let MS go and discuss things without constantly bringing them up.

So I'm not allowed to compare sales figures with Sony's direct competitor? Seems fair game to me. I said nothing bad about MS did I? I just think you are avoiding the fact you made an idiotic fanboy comment.

[Deadset]

Originally Posted by BluStation 3

So I'm not allowed to compare sales figures with Sony's direct competitor? Seems fair game to me. I said nothing bad about MS did I? I just think you are avoiding the fact you made an idiotic fanboy comment.

Nothing I said was factually incorrect. You're calling me that? Yeah, I'm a gamer first-always have been always will be. I find it humorous the sony die-hards can't have a civil discussion without personal attacks or bringing up their competitors.

[BluStation 3]

Originally Posted by Deadset

Nothing I said was factually incorrect. You're calling me that? Yeah, I'm a gamer first-always have been always will be. I find it humorous the sony die-hards can't have a civil discussion without personal attacks or bringing up their competitors.

But I'm not a Sony die-hard....i just recognize quality when I see it. I've owned a Nintendo Wii, 2 Ps3's, and 3 Xbox 360's. I hardly count that as a Sony die-hard. We can just agree to disagree I guess. No hard feelings.

[Deadset]

Originally Posted by BluStation 3

But I'm not a Sony die-hard....i just recognize quality when I see it. I've owned a Nintendo Wii, 2 Ps3's, and 3 Xbox 360's. I hardly count that as a Sony die-hard. We can just agree to disagree I guess. No hard feelings.

You'll never hear me dis the quality of the PS3.

Fair enough.

[saprano]

Originally Posted by Deadset

Personal attacks are the best form of rebuttal aren't they? Again, who said anything about MS? You sony boys need to let MS go and discuss things without constantly bringing them up.

MS and nintendo are sonys competition so its normal for them to be brought up when talking about sales.

Same goes for MS/Ninty sales threads on other sites.

Originally Posted by Deadset

Nothing I said was factually incorrect. You're calling me that? Yeah, I'm a gamer first-always have been always will be. I find it humorous the sony die-hards can't have a civil discussion without personal attacks or bringing up their competitors.

Its funny actually. "Civil" conversations only happen when sonys doing bad. Theres alot to discuss about what sony should do to improve themselves from young michael pachters.

The haters hide when reports like this come out cause they have nothing to say. This would of been on page 6 already if it was a bad report.

The "sony diehards" are just reacting to the reactions that this type of report brings out.

(Hope that made sense)

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by Deadset

Nothing I said was factually incorrect. You're calling me that? Yeah, I'm a gamer first-always have been always will be. I find it humorous the sony die-hards can't have a civil discussion without personal attacks or bringing up their competitors.

Aside from all the petty namecalling I have to disagree with that statement. Less than stellar implies that the PS3 had a poor quarter selling less than expected or less than its competitors. I think you will find 6.3m without a price cut or redesign is pretty damn good and the second best on record for the PS3 with the best ever at 6.5m which was after a pricecut and slim release. To call this quarter anything less than stellar implies that you are purposefully lowballing and can be construed as fanboyism.

Look at the situation objectively:

PS3 - 6.3m, $299 base price
Wii - 8.27m, $199 base price including 2 games
360 - 6.3m, $199 base price

The highest price console sold the same as the much cheaper competition. How you can call that less than stellar is something I can't understand.

[Deadset]

Originally Posted by Deadset

These numbers are from their company report, so they follow all the accounting rules everyone else does, so I wouldn't speculate that they fudged the numbers in any means. Sure companies do legal things to prop up numbers, but I wouldn't say that Sony did that unless you know otherwise.

Sales do seem flat year over year...but if you look at the PS3 numbers, they are trending up even if they did have a less than stellar Q3 this year.

Originally Posted by Maximus

Aside from all the petty namecalling I have to disagree with that statement. Less than stellar implies that the PS3 had a poor quarter selling less than expected or less than its competitors. I think you will find 6.3m without a price cut or redesign is pretty damn good and the second best on record for the PS3 with the best ever at 6.5m which was after a pricecut and slim release. To call this quarter anything less than stellar implies that you are purposefully lowballing and can be construed as fanboyism.

Look at the situation objectively:

PS3 - 6.3m, $299 base price
Wii - 8.27m, $199 base price including 2 games
360 - 6.3m, $199 base price

The highest price console sold the same as the much cheaper competition. How you can call that less than stellar is something I can't understand.

What I said:

Sales do seem flat year over year... 2237.9 compared to 2206.2

but if you look at the PS3 numbers, they are trending up....13M units to 15M and we still have Q4 FY10 to report

even if they did have a less than stellar Q3 this year...meaning net income decreased year over year.

Maybe it wasn't clear...so I spelled it out. How is that lowballing or fanboyism? I never once said that word until quoting you.

[Maximus]

Well those revenue figures are for Sony as a whole and aren't really important for this discussion. The important figures are NPS revenue with foreign exchange losses stripped out for a like-for-like comparison. Using that measure revenue is almost unchanged at ¥600bn, this despite the fact that PSP hardware sales are down by 15% and PS2 software sales are down by over 50%. If you look at the detail the only rise that Sony recorded in NPS is in PS3 software sales.

Net income in NPS has increased as a result, from ¥19bn to ¥46bn because of strong PS3 hardware and software sales and lower hardware productions costs for the PS3.

[Deadset]

All I did was state what was on their income statement, whether it was relevant to this discussion is up to the person. If it's in the picture, then I don't think the topic is off-base.

Well, you know as well as I do that Operating Income is not Net Income. Operating Income is income before interest expense, income taxes, and other non-operating income.