Cross Of Iron - Page 2 - Blu-ray Forum

adamhopelies · 04-04-2011, 05:24 PM

Mike, do you know whether or not this is intended for the Studio Canal Collection?

mike siegel · 04-04-2011, 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adamhopelies

Mike, do you know whether or not this is intended for the Studio Canal Collection?

Never heard of it

It is the Optimum release from the link THE DRIVER posted.
In Germany it is also an individual release.

The Driver · 04-04-2011, 11:42 PM

Studio Canal Collection?

Unlikely. Optimum (owned StudioCanal) are far too lazy to be bothered with special packaging and when they do have it it's very limited (through bad planning) as they are bad distributors and disc producers.

Mean might be a good word to describe them.

djvaso · 04-06-2011, 09:59 PM

Will UK disc and German counterpart be the same (identical subtitles for main feature and extras etc.)?
Thanks.

rezpekt · 04-06-2011, 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djvaso

Will UK disc and German counterpart be the same (identical subtitles for main feature and extras etc.)?
Thanks.

Most likely, as both Optimum and Kinowelt are owned by Studio Canal.

adamhopelies · 04-06-2011, 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Driver

Studio Canal Collection?

Unlikely. Optimum (owned StudioCanal) are far too lazy to be bothered with special packaging and when they do have it it's very limited (through bad planning) as they are bad distributors and disc producers.

Mean might be a good word to describe them.

Cross Of Iron was originally announced for the Studio Canal Collection, last November actually, courtesy of Amazon.de. Pro B posted the details in the SCC thread (post 198) -

https://forum.blu-ray.com/united-kin...thread-10.html

FTR - The two images that were alongside Cross Of Iron were La Grande Illusion and Arizona Dream. Christ knows whats happened to them.

Jason Bagherian · 04-15-2011, 02:14 AM

Mike thanks for the info on the short scene in the German trailer for Cross Of Iron. I've had a still of that scene for years, now I have seen the footage, amazing. Do you know if the scene was part of the Hospital recovery of Steiner? Or was it part of a scene from the book, where steiner get's leave?

Are you sure none of the deleted footage survives? The producers must have something in the vaults. I know that some deleted battle footage is in the dire sequel. Is it true the original cut of Cross Of Iron was four hours long?

I was hoping Criterion would do Cross Of Iron one day, like they did with Straw Dogs. I can't wait for this to Blu Ray come out. Thanks for your hard work.

mike siegel · 04-16-2011, 12:57 PM

Hi Jason,

yes, that scene is taken place in the hospital. Senta Berger remembered it as a 'farewell scene', but the German trailer (and the acting) tells us it comes just before they end up in her room.

Who knows where the shot footage is? I suppose everything was destroyed. That was the common practice for decades. Not even the LA studios stored all the shot film, usually only the negative of the final release version was kept. And sometimes even those are incomplete! (like EASY RIDER, where one reel was missing). Smetimes miracles happen as in the case of BLUES BROTHERS. I nearly fainted when I heard that the preview version survived and was released on DVD. Or the GOOD BAD & UGLY footage. But as for Peckinpah - I wish for miracles. I saw a rough cut/work print (in b&w) of the STRAW DOGS siege (twice as long, very interesting), there's the remainders on WILD BUNCH that were included in 2006. The Beta-tape of Sam's OSTERMAN cut, the sad case of PAT GARRETT and its various versions but besides that not much 'unseen' material exists I guess.
That Hartwig used Sam's footage for BREAKTHROUGH is obvious - it was only one year later. But who would have kept 250.000 meter film (or whatever) Peckinpah shot in 1976? (YEES, we would - now.). Hartwig lives in Paris and when I talked to him briefly in 2004, he couldn't remember the whereabouts of 'outtakes' etc. And EMI left the picture business long time ago ...
I only heard years ago that a 'gagreel' might have survived. Some funny outtakes incl. Sam adressing the 'audience' (= producer in the screening room) and saying: 'We want to thank our producer for the lousy food down here - it tastes like shit' (see picture below).
(Sam then sent someone to Italy to buy a cow, he even barbecued himself for the crew)

The 'original' cut is the release version. One of the few films that were released the way Sam wanted it (not in the US of course! I even have him on tape where he states that the 'German' version = UK version as far as I know - was his final cut.)
Of course there was a longer version before that one, in the process of editing one starts with 4-8 hour long version and then comes down to a final version that 'works'.

rezpekt · 04-28-2011, 07:55 PM

Extras:

ALL NEW! Passion & Poetry - Sam Peckinpah's War (46:00): A documentary by Mike Siegel featuring James Coburn, Senta Berger, David Warner, Vadim Glowna, Roger Fritz, Katy Haber & Sam Peckinpah
5 featurettes with 1976 on set audio interviews:
- Sam Peckinpah (5:06)
- James Coburn (5:30)
- James Mason (6:05)
- Maximilian Schell (4:35)
- David Warner (3:14)
Featurette KRÜGER KISSES KERN (8:27)
Letters From Vadim & Sam Featurette (3:48)
Vadim & Sam - Son & Dad Featurette (5:55)
Cutting Room Floor Featurette (4:19)
Mike's Homemovies Featurette - Steiner meets Kiesel again (7:16)
Steiner In Japan (2-3 mins)
Before & After Restoration Comparison
German Trailer (3:10)
USA TV-Spot (0:30)
USA/UK Trailer (3:42)

Blu-ray tech specs:
Cert: 18
Region B
Total Running Time: 127 mins approx
B&W PAL
Feature Aspect Ratio: 1.85:1
Video: BD50 / AVC / 24p
Feature Audio: / Audio Codec: LPCM DTS MA
English and German Language
Catalogue No: OPTBD0627
RRP: £19.99

duggie walker · 04-28-2011, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rezpekt

Extras:

ALL NEW! Passion & Poetry - Sam Peckinpah's War (46:00): A documentary by Mike Siegel featuring James Coburn, Senta Berger, David Warner, Vadim Glowna, Roger Fritz, Katy Haber & Sam Peckinpah
5 featurettes with 1976 on set audio interviews:
- Sam Peckinpah (5:06)
- James Coburn (5:30)
- James Mason (6:05)
- Maximilian Schell (4:35)
- David Warner (3:14)
Featurette KRÜGER KISSES KERN (8:27)
Letters From Vadim & Sam Featurette (3:48)
Vadim & Sam - Son & Dad Featurette (5:55)
Cutting Room Floor Featurette (4:19)
Mike's Homemovies Featurette - Steiner meets Kiesel again (7:16)
Steiner In Japan (2-3 mins)
Before & After Restoration Comparison
German Trailer (3:10)
USA TV-Spot (0:30)
USA/UK Trailer (3:42)

Blu-ray tech specs:
Cert: 18
Region B
Total Running Time: 127 mins approx
B&W PAL
Feature Aspect Ratio: 1.85:1
Video: BD50 / AVC / 24p
Feature Audio: / Audio Codec: LPCM DTS MA
English and German Language
Catalogue No: OPTBD0627
RRP: £19.99

Great extras. Shame the movie's in Black and White.

alibaba-uk · 04-30-2011, 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duggie walker

Great extras. Shame the movie's in Black and White.

And in PAL!

TJS_Blu · 05-03-2011, 12:22 PM

From The Digital Fix:

Quote:

Other digitally restored classics teased in the Cross of Iron press release for potentical cinema and Blu-ray release in 2011 are Whiskey Galore!, The Lavender Hill Mob, Quatermass & The Pit and Kind Hearts & Coronets.

I'll have to look up 'potentical' in the dictionary, but the rest of that reads quite nicely.

droid · 05-04-2011, 06:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rezpekt

Blu-ray tech specs:
Cert: 18
Region B
Total Running Time: 127 mins approx
B&W PAL
Feature Aspect Ratio: 1.85:1
Video: BD50 / AVC / 24p
Feature Audio: / Audio Codec: LPCM DTS MA
English and German Language
Catalogue No: OPTBD0627
RRP: £19.99

What, NO SUBTITLES to go with German language?!

pro-bassoonist · 05-26-2011, 10:19 PM

Review:
Cross of Iron Blu-ray

ImportFanatic · 05-26-2011, 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adamhopelies

Cross Of Iron was originally announced for the Studio Canal Collection, last November actually, courtesy of Amazon.de. Pro B posted the details in the SCC thread (post 198)

It seems the "Studio Canal Collection" is dead. Which doesn't bother me at all. They never were up to the quality Criterion standards they'd have you believe they were.

Arkadin · 05-26-2011, 11:18 PM

pre-ordered just now!
can't wait to see this film.

BigNickUK · 05-27-2011, 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ImportFanatic

It seems the "Studio Canal Collection" is dead. Which doesn't bother me at all. They never were up to the quality Criterion standards they'd have you believe they were.

But for us Region B peeps without region free players it was as close as we could get to Criterion. I for one thinks its a shame they have stopped the studio canal digibooks.

BluVinyl · 05-28-2011, 05:39 AM

Anyone heard any word on a U.S. release. To bad this is a locked release

Alex DeLarge · 05-28-2011, 08:32 PM

Importing this for sure! I've never seen it in its OAR let alone high-def.

bladelia · 06-04-2011, 10:56 AM

Got my copy today from Hmv, comes with a nice slip

04-15-2011, 02:14 AM	#27
Jason Bagherian New Member Member since:Apr 2011	Mike thanks for the info on the short scene in the German trailer for Cross Of Iron. I've had a still of that scene for years, now I have seen the footage, amazing. Do you know if the scene was part of the Hospital recovery of Steiner? Or was it part of a scene from the book, where steiner get's leave? Are you sure none of the deleted footage survives? The producers must have something in the vaults. I know that some deleted battle footage is in the dire sequel. Is it true the original cut of Cross Of Iron was four hours long? I was hoping Criterion would do Cross Of Iron one day, like they did with Straw Dogs. I can't wait for this to Blu Ray come out. Thanks for your hard work. Last edited by Jason Bagherian; 04-15-2011 at 02:16 AM.

04-16-2011, 12:57 PM	#28
mike siegel Active Member Member since:Apr 2011	Hi Jason, yes, that scene is taken place in the hospital. Senta Berger remembered it as a 'farewell scene', but the German trailer (and the acting) tells us it comes just before they end up in her room. Who knows where the shot footage is? I suppose everything was destroyed. That was the common practice for decades. Not even the LA studios stored all the shot film, usually only the negative of the final release version was kept. And sometimes even those are incomplete! (like EASY RIDER, where one reel was missing). Smetimes miracles happen as in the case of BLUES BROTHERS. I nearly fainted when I heard that the preview version survived and was released on DVD. Or the GOOD BAD & UGLY footage. But as for Peckinpah - I wish for miracles. I saw a rough cut/work print (in b&w) of the STRAW DOGS siege (twice as long, very interesting), there's the remainders on WILD BUNCH that were included in 2006. The Beta-tape of Sam's OSTERMAN cut, the sad case of PAT GARRETT and its various versions but besides that not much 'unseen' material exists I guess. That Hartwig used Sam's footage for BREAKTHROUGH is obvious - it was only one year later. But who would have kept 250.000 meter film (or whatever) Peckinpah shot in 1976? (YEES, we would - now.). Hartwig lives in Paris and when I talked to him briefly in 2004, he couldn't remember the whereabouts of 'outtakes' etc. And EMI left the picture business long time ago ... I only heard years ago that a 'gagreel' might have survived. Some funny outtakes incl. Sam adressing the 'audience' (= producer in the screening room) and saying: 'We want to thank our producer for the lousy food down here - it tastes like shit' (see picture below). (Sam then sent someone to Italy to buy a cow, he even barbecued himself for the crew) The 'original' cut is the release version. One of the few films that were released the way Sam wanted it (not in the US of course! I even have him on tape where he states that the 'German' version = UK version as far as I know - was his final cut.) Of course there was a longer version before that one, in the process of editing one starts with 4-8 hour long version and then comes down to a final version that 'works'. Last edited by mike siegel; 04-16-2011 at 01:01 PM.

04-28-2011, 07:55 PM	#29
rezpekt Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Estonia 4K collection:449 Blu-ray collection:1888 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:1	Extras: ALL NEW! Passion & Poetry - Sam Peckinpah's War (46:00): A documentary by Mike Siegel featuring James Coburn, Senta Berger, David Warner, Vadim Glowna, Roger Fritz, Katy Haber & Sam Peckinpah 5 featurettes with 1976 on set audio interviews: Sam Peckinpah (5:06) James Coburn (5:30) James Mason (6:05) Maximilian Schell (4:35) David Warner (3:14) Featurette KRÜGER KISSES KERN (8:27) Letters From Vadim & Sam Featurette (3:48) Vadim & Sam - Son & Dad Featurette (5:55) Cutting Room Floor Featurette (4:19) Mike's Homemovies Featurette - Steiner meets Kiesel again (7:16) Steiner In Japan (2-3 mins) Before & After Restoration Comparison German Trailer (3:10) USA TV-Spot (0:30) USA/UK Trailer (3:42) Blu-ray tech specs: Cert: 18 Region B Total Running Time: 127 mins approx B&W PAL Feature Aspect Ratio: 1.85:1 Video: BD50 / AVC / 24p Feature Audio: / Audio Codec: LPCM DTS MA English and German Language Catalogue No: OPTBD0627 RRP: £19.99

04-04-2011, 05:24 PM	#21
adamhopelies Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Jan 2010 Location:Sheffield Blu-ray reviews:1	Mike, do you know whether or not this is intended for the Studio Canal Collection?

04-04-2011, 11:42 PM	#23
The Driver Blu-ray Guru Member since:Feb 2009 Location:UK Trading Score:1	Studio Canal Collection? Unlikely. Optimum (owned StudioCanal) are far too lazy to be bothered with special packaging and when they do have it it's very limited (through bad planning) as they are bad distributors and disc producers. Mean might be a good word to describe them.

04-06-2011, 09:59 PM	#24
djvaso Expert Member Top contributor Member since:Feb 2009 Location:Serbia&Montenegro 4K collection:44 Blu-ray collection:977 DVD collection:193 Trading Score:1	Will UK disc and German counterpart be the same (identical subtitles for main feature and extras etc.)? Thanks.

05-26-2011, 10:19 PM	#34
pro-bassoonist Blu-ray reviewer Top contributor Member since:Jul 2007 Location:X Home Theater Gallery:47 4K collection:- Blu-ray collection:- DVD collection:- Blu-ray reviews: 31 Trading Score:23	Review: Cross of Iron Blu-ray

05-26-2011, 11:18 PM	#36
Arkadin Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Mar 2007 Location:...somewhere in Sweden Blu-ray collection:- Blu-ray reviews: 1 Trading Score:9	pre-ordered just now! can't wait to see this film.

05-28-2011, 05:39 AM	#38
BluVinyl Expert Member Member since:Mar 2010 Location:Maryland, USA Home Theater Gallery:24 4K collection:2 Blu-ray collection:552 DVD collection:18	Anyone heard any word on a U.S. release. To bad this is a locked release

05-28-2011, 08:32 PM	#39
Alex DeLarge Active Member Member since:Nov 2008 Location:Central, PA 4K collection:319 Blu-ray collection:3154 DVD collection:638	Importing this for sure! I've never seen it in its OAR let alone high-def.

06-04-2011, 10:56 AM	#40
bladelia Special Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:London 4K collection:549 Blu-ray collection:5329 Trading Score:37	Got my copy today from Hmv, comes with a nice slip

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