Aamir Khan, Shah Rukh Khan or Salman Khan's first 3D film

[ian959]

Originally Posted by Paap28

Well I hate 3D, I don't like the fact that Hollywood believes its the future. Whenever there is an option of watching a 3D movie in 2D I go for the 2D.

In terms of Bollywood I heard that Haunted was a poor attempt at 3D, Bollywood perhaps thinks that its another money making opportunity copying Hollywood yet again, however there are many like me who believe that 3D is the death of cinema, can you imagine all the classics Hollywood and Bollywood movies being in 3D its because they work fine the way they are.

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movie shot in 3d then to have both 3d and 2d options. people who prefer 3d then go for 3d, people who prefer 2d then go for 2d. it doesn't mean 2d movie would die or 3d movie would die. there is always an option for you.

[Paap28]

I know I sounded extreme however I only have a problem with people who believe that 3D is as huge as sound or colour when they first arrived in films. Even though there is a 3D option most of those movies don't benefit from 3D and it's another way studios can make more money, if people admitted that its for entertainment only that would be fine but they talk about it as if it is 2D cinema's replacement, now with the new 3D TVs coming out as well it all seems OTT.

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eventually, all tv should have 3d function and people at home can choose 2d or 3d.
sooner or later, all theater would become 3d capable, theater owner decides to play 2d or 3d version. it might take 10 years, maybe 20 years? finally it would just happen.

[toddly6666]

Originally Posted by divyansh

we who stay in india our culture and up bringing is very different from yours we may like many movies...which you may feel are over the top or melodramic(which we consider emotional and cry over them....but maybe you wont even understand them....common i cant be emotionally attached to a movie....say japaneese which i dont know and iam watching just with english sub titles...the experience will definately be different from a japaneese watching that movie...because it represents his society and culture better....and he will connect to it better than i will)

1. I don't like Ashkay Kumar nor do I think he's a good actor. But any actor has the potential to do some good acting or be in a well-respected film, but I have yet to see it from him.

2. I talk about Jodhaa Akbar in here because it is one of the few Indian masterpieces (besides The Blue Umbrella) that is on Indian blu-ray. Other than that and The Blue Umbrella, I don't think there are any other really great Indian films on blu-ray (I understand that a movie like Dil Chahta Hai is a cult classic for the younger generation, but so are Chasing Amy and Dazed and Confused, which I wouldn't really consider to be American masterpieces, but they are American cult classics). There are some other good films on Indian blu-ray such as Peepli Live, Robot, Sivaji, and Magadheera, but they aren't quite typical masterpieces, as a film like Devdas, Mission Kashmir, Eklavya, Mugal-E-Azam, Fiza, Sholay, Hey Ram, Dil Se... (to name a few).

And I don't support racist/nationalistic rationalizations why one should support one's own mediocre films. There is no way in hell that I'm going to accept cinematic mediocrity from my own nation because the movie is only relatable in my own country. You are giving an insulting reason with your Japanese film analogy. I've seen plenty of foreign films that are very different from Hollywood films and everytime I see a bad one, I don't say, "I don't get their culture." It's bad because it sucks due to poor story, acting, direction, etc. For every well-respected film released in USA, it is considered well-respected elsewhere. There is a reason that video stores in every country in the world have Hollywood films on the majority of their shelves. It has nothing to do with different or relatable cultures. It has to do with good filmmaking. I know that you are intentionally not trying to be racist, but I don't support racist remarks. If an Indian film sucks, it's not because it's different from my culture. I'm tired of hearing that excuse. A bad movie is a bad movie everywhere. Two very magical/fantastical films, The Blue Umbrella and Saawariya, are Indian-culture centric films. One is excellent (The Blue Umbrella) and the other totally sucks (Saawariya). Just because I know that Saawariya is generally considered a bad movie everywhere in the world, it doesn't mean that it's some misunderstood masterpiece because no one can relate to its "Indian-ness".

Your racist analogy also reminds me of another analogy. According to your theory, I automatically relate more emotionally to World War 2/Holocaust/Nazi or American Civil war films because I'm a Jewish and American. It's not so - I can equally emotionally relate to any other films which explore war/genocide in other countries, such as Africa, Palestine, Iran, China, South America, etc. Here's a news flash: Every person is an individual and can relate to other cultures in different ways. Some people can only understand their own culture, while others can only relate to cultures other than their own. There is no statistic. Everyone is different. Indian movies do well in India because they are playing in your theaters. If only Hollywood movies played in Indian movie theaters, they would do well also.

There is an obsession by "Indians who love Bollywood films" that believe that no one else in the world understands or likes Bollywood films. It's not true. Everyone in the whole damn world loves Bollywood films. There is a reason that they are in movie theaters and on tv all over the world. It's because people like them and are entertained by them. It's a very cliched comment to say "Indian films are melodramatic and over-the-top so that's why you don't like a Bollywood film." Indian movie fans know what to expect from Indian films. You are reinforcing negativity about your own film industry. You don't have to explain Indian cinema to people who watch Indian cinema (as myself). When I'm talking about a new Donnie Yen film (Legend of the Fist) to a Chinese person and tell him that the movie totally sucks, that Chinese person does not say, "You just don't get Chinese culture." When I'm talking about a new Japanese film (Alien Vs. Ninja) to a Japanese person and tell him that the movie totally sucks, that Japanese person does not say, "You just don't get Japanese culture."


3. There will most likely not be a good 3D Indian film from India in the near future. The only Indian filmmaker that can come close to releasing a good 3D film will be Shankar. In the meantime, Indians can take pleasure in Tarsem Singh's 3D version of IMMORTALS, but he represents Hollywood, not Bollywood.

YouTube - ‪Immortals [Trailer] 2011‬‏

[Paap28]

Well there is Raajneeti which is an awesome movie that is also out on Blu-ray at the moment. Prakash Jha's next Aarakshan will definately be getting the Blu-ray treatment as well hopefully.

...speaking of Akshay Kumar, he may seem like a sell out now but I think he deserves a break, he like SRK made into the industry the hard way and he has plenty of good titles to his name Mohra, Main Khialdi Tu Anari, Waqt, Yeh Dillagi, Dil To Pagal Hai (out of blu-ray) and quite a few more it's just a shame that they arent available on Blu-ray. He is a good actor and even though the quality of his films keep dipping I assure you he just needs a good story and director to thrust him back into the big leagues.

However I support your other points that it is wrong to say that you dont understand Indian films, even I have seen that abroad there is always Bollywood films playing in theatres and never any Chinese/Japanese ones which shows just how in demand and popular they are. I myself watch a lot of Bollywood films per year and know what is bad and what is good, it is wrong to say you dont understand Bollywood films just because you say a certain movie is boring or OTT.

[divyansh]

Originally Posted by paap28

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...speaking of akshay kumar, he may seem like a sell out now but i think he deserves a break, he like srk made into the industry the hard way and he has plenty of good titles to his name mohra, main khialdi tu anari, waqt, yeh dillagi, dil to pagal hai (out of blu-ray) and quite a few more it's just a shame that they arent available on blu-ray. He is a good actor and even though the quality of his films keep dipping i assure you he just needs a good story and director to thrust him back into the big leagues.

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[FreakMan]

Akshay is a great actor and like many have said, his last few movies may have not been great but he does his part in the movies and entertains. It is the script or director that let him down. Watch Namaste London if u wanna see something different from him, it's on blu-ray.

[Harvey Dent]

Fiza? A great movie? And in the same breath as Mughal-e-Azam and Sholay?? Come on you must be joking, right?

And you couldnt be more mistaken about Dil Chahta Hai. If you look at any critic or viewer poll of the best Indian movies of the 2000's , u will find DCH in every list. Cant say u will find Chasing Amy in any such hollywood list

Originally Posted by toddly6666

1. I don't like Ashkay Kumar nor do I think he's a good actor. But any actor has the potential to do some good acting or be in a well-respected film, but I have yet to see it from him.

2. I talk about Jodhaa Akbar in here because it is one of the few Indian masterpieces (besides The Blue Umbrella) that is on Indian blu-ray. Other than that and The Blue Umbrella, I don't think there are any other really great Indian films on blu-ray (I understand that a movie like Dil Chahta Hai is a cult classic for the younger generation, but so are Chasing Amy and Dazed and Confused, which I wouldn't really consider to be American masterpieces, but they are American cult classics). There are some other good films on Indian blu-ray such as Peepli Live, Robot, Sivaji, and Magadheera, but they aren't quite typical masterpieces, as a film like Devdas, Mission Kashmir, Eklavya, Mugal-E-Azam, Fiza, Sholay, Hey Ram, Dil Se... (to name a few).

And I don't support racist/nationalistic rationalizations why one should support one's own mediocre films. There is no way in hell that I'm going to accept cinematic mediocrity from my own nation because the movie is only relatable in my own country. You are giving an insulting reason with your Japanese film analogy. I've seen plenty of foreign films that are very different from Hollywood films and everytime I see a bad one, I don't say, "I don't get their culture." It's bad because it sucks due to poor story, acting, direction, etc. For every well-respected film released in USA, it is considered well-respected elsewhere. There is a reason that video stores in every country in the world have Hollywood films on the majority of their shelves. It has nothing to do with different or relatable cultures. It has to do with good filmmaking. I know that you are intentionally not trying to be racist, but I don't support racist remarks. If an Indian film sucks, it's not because it's different from my culture. I'm tired of hearing that excuse. A bad movie is a bad movie everywhere. Two very magical/fantastical films, The Blue Umbrella and Saawariya, are Indian-culture centric films. One is excellent (The Blue Umbrella) and the other totally sucks (Saawariya). Just because I know that Saawariya is generally considered a bad movie everywhere in the world, it doesn't mean that it's some misunderstood masterpiece because no one can relate to its "Indian-ness".

Your racist analogy also reminds me of another analogy. According to your theory, I automatically relate more emotionally to World War 2/Holocaust/Nazi or American Civil war films because I'm a Jewish and American. It's not so - I can equally emotionally relate to any other films which explore war/genocide in other countries, such as Africa, Palestine, Iran, China, South America, etc. Here's a news flash: Every person is an individual and can relate to other cultures in different ways. Some people can only understand their own culture, while others can only relate to cultures other than their own. There is no statistic. Everyone is different. Indian movies do well in India because they are playing in your theaters. If only Hollywood movies played in Indian movie theaters, they would do well also.

There is an obsession by "Indians who love Bollywood films" that believe that no one else in the world understands or likes Bollywood films. It's not true. Everyone in the whole damn world loves Bollywood films. There is a reason that they are in movie theaters and on tv all over the world. It's because people like them and are entertained by them. It's a very cliched comment to say "Indian films are melodramatic and over-the-top so that's why you don't like a Bollywood film." Indian movie fans know what to expect from Indian films. You are reinforcing negativity about your own film industry. You don't have to explain Indian cinema to people who watch Indian cinema (as myself). When I'm talking about a new Donnie Yen film (Legend of the Fist) to a Chinese person and tell him that the movie totally sucks, that Chinese person does not say, "You just don't get Chinese culture." When I'm talking about a new Japanese film (Alien Vs. Ninja) to a Japanese person and tell him that the movie totally sucks, that Japanese person does not say, "You just don't get Japanese culture."


3. There will most likely not be a good 3D Indian film from India in the near future. The only Indian filmmaker that can come close to releasing a good 3D film will be Shankar. In the meantime, Indians can take pleasure in Tarsem Singh's 3D version of IMMORTALS, but he represents Hollywood, not Bollywood.
YouTube - ‪Immortals [Trailer] 2011‬‏

[toddly6666]

Originally Posted by Harvey Dent

Fiza? A great movie? And in the same breath as Mughal-e-Azam and Sholay?? Come on you must be joking, right?

Harvey,
You are missing the point. I was just listing great films from different time periods. It's the same as me listing The Sound of Music and Michael Mann's Heat in the same sentence. Great Bollywood films from each year should be released on Indian blu-ray. What's wrong with Fiza? It's a great serious film with a touching story, great performances, and memorable music. List some other great Indian films from 2000 for example. I was just listing a few great ones at the top of my head - I wasn't making some "top 8 Bollywood movies ever made" list.

Originally Posted by FreakMan

Akshay is a great actor and like many have said, his last few movies may have not been great but he does his part in the movies and entertains. It is the script or director that let him down. Watch Namaste London if u wanna see something different from him, it's on blu-ray.

Dude, you are high on crack!

If Akshay Kumar is a a great actor, then what kind of actors are Sanjay Dutt and Hrithik Roshan - very, very, very great actors?

Here's another perspective about owning up to bollywood bluray crap releases. Add up the number of Bollywood blurays that you have (you have about 70 Indian blurays). Now pretend that every single Indian movie has been released on bluray. Now pretend to rebuild your bollywood bluray collection from scratch but you can only choose 70 Indian blurays to own. If you had a choice to buy 70 Indian blurays now that every Indian movie is now hypothetically available to buy, how many of the ones that you really currently own would be added back into your collection of 70 Indian blurays?

I want everyone in here to think about this equation. You can even apply this equation to your whole blu-ray collection to give yourselves perspective about being obsessive compulsive and hording and buying things that we don't really need.

I own 6 Indian blu-rays (Magadheera, The Blue Umbrella, Dhoom 2, Sivaji, Robo, and Jodhaa Akbar). If I could only keep 6 blu-rays if all Indian movies had been released on blu-ray, I would honestly have to keep only 3 of my blu-rays (keeping Magadheera, Robo, and Jodhaa Akbar) and would have to get rid of The Blue Umbrella, Dhoom 2, and Sivaji to make room for better (aka "more rewatchable") Indian movies on blu-ray. So that's 50 percent for me.

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american can vote and rate for their favorite movies to have a list of the most popular movies. there is a blu-ray wish list for north america, how about indian?

[Harvey Dent]

Toddly, i have nothing against Fiza. I get the point you are making that both Heat and SOM are great movies albeit from different eras. Fiza by no stretch of imagination will feature in anybody's list of great films and the only reason people remember it to this day is because of the Sushmita Sen item number. If you go into the year 2000 specifically , how can you forget the same hero's debut film, Kaho Na Pyar Hai which would look great on blu ray. We also had a couple of other movies which not only were good thematically but great visually, Vidhu Vinod Chopra's Mission Kashmir and Mansoor Khan's Josh , to name a couple

Originally Posted by toddly6666

Harvey,
You are missing the point. I was just listing great films from different time periods. It's the same as me listing The Sound of Music and Michael Mann's Heat in the same sentence. Great Bollywood films from each year should be released on Indian blu-ray. What's wrong with Fiza? It's a great serious film with a touching story, great performances, and memorable music. List some other great Indian films from 2000 for example. I was just listing a few great ones at the top of my head - I wasn't making some "top 8 Bollywood movies ever made" list.




Dude, you are high on crack!

If Akshay Kumar is a a great actor, then what kind of actors are Sanjay Dutt and Hrithik Roshan - very, very, very great actors?

Here's another perspective about owning up to bollywood bluray crap releases. Add up the number of Bollywood blurays that you have (you have about 70 Indian blurays). Now pretend that every single Indian movie has been released on bluray. Now pretend to rebuild your bollywood bluray collection from scratch but you can only choose 70 Indian blurays to own. If you had a choice to buy 70 Indian blurays now that every Indian movie is now hypothetically available to buy, how many of the ones that you really currently own would be added back into your collection of 70 Indian blurays?

I want everyone in here to think about this equation. You can even apply this equation to your whole blu-ray collection to give yourselves perspective about being obsessive compulsive and hording and buying things that we don't really need.

I own 6 Indian blu-rays (Magadheera, The Blue Umbrella, Dhoom 2, Sivaji, Robo, and Jodhaa Akbar). If I could only keep 6 blu-rays if all Indian movies had been released on blu-ray, I would honestly have to keep only 3 of my blu-rays (keeping Magadheera, Robo, and Jodhaa Akbar) and would have to get rid of The Blue Umbrella, Dhoom 2, and Sivaji to make room for better (aka "more rewatchable") Indian movies on blu-ray. So that's 50 percent for me.