How Halo killed the 360. - Page 2 - Blu-ray Forum

becomingwater · 09-30-2007, 04:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob Tomlin

I have a 360.

No Halo for me.

Hey is your avatar Lawrence of Arabia bluray?

btw I think the 360 is last gen console, basically like a turbo GFX. I have one and I hardly play it. I just sold my Wii, got bored of it.

richieb1971 · 10-01-2007, 12:33 AM

There are several reasons why the 360 is maxxing out about now. One is that its been out longer. Two is that its based around PC architecture.

PC architectures problem is that coders know it quite well and sooner rather than later they hit the brick wall. The problem with the PS3 is that the coders need to deal with the architecture before they can deal with the engine. Once thats out of the way I would envisage PS3>360 in terms of whats on the screen. I hate all these figures people shout about, they mean nothing.

Sony's profits on ps3 will eventually come.

WickyWoo · 10-01-2007, 01:29 AM

Quote:

There are several reasons why the 360 is maxxing out about now. One is that its been out longer. Two is that its based around PC architecture.

No it's not. 360 is based on a triple core PowerPC which is not an x86 architecture. It's a custom design from the ground up. It has the same basic chip (a prototype) of the fastest radeons that were just released.

John Carmack and many other respected coders have said that when all is said and done, both systems are about equally powerful

It's not even close to maxed out.

What'sHD · 10-01-2007, 02:26 AM

^ I wonder...

With Halo 3, MS' biggest weapon in the console war, funding would not have been an issue. And we know time was not.

H3, with its given feature-set, runs at 640p. Is this a result of a lack of:

1. Money

2. Time

3. Developer expertise with 360 (same as 2?)

4. Processing power

5. Some combination of above

P.S. Killzone 2 etc. better not run sub 720p.

bone crusher · 10-01-2007, 02:46 AM

Halo 3 is an awesome game. Just finished playign the campaign for the last 3 hours and it's amazingly fun. Online is even better. Sorry but if your *****ing about this game not being any good you have very shitty taste. The game doesn't come on a BD disc but it kicks ass.

What'sHD · 10-01-2007, 03:02 AM

I know the above is not addressed to me, but I wanted to say that I don't get the "insulting someone but only after apologizing for it in advance" thing

daisuke149 · 10-01-2007, 03:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bone crusher

Halo 3 is an awesome game. Just finished playign the campaign for the last 3 hours and it's amazingly fun. Online is even better. Sorry but if your *****ing about this game not being any good you have very shitty taste. The game doesn't come on a BD disc but it kicks ass.

sorry if i think its a shitty game thats my opinion and u have no right to say mines wrong.

i like fps games. but only on the pc. i dont like any on any console.

And i have played halo 3. friends have it. ive seen friends play it for hours.

It really doesnt live up to what everyone thought it would be. Fun yes..

But does it look like a next gen game 3 years int he makin.. hellll no
Does it deliver a awesome campaighn and story line. no..

but its great multi player.. so it will do well.

so its not a bad game it did what it was made to do tho in the end

look at starcraft.. the campaign was eh ok.

but miltiplayer was great.

either way tho the 360 is close to max potential. Its what ive been telling people for a long long time. Maybe its why MS has pushed back the falcon cores. Perhaps their gonna tweak it to do better.

WickyWoo · 10-01-2007, 04:47 AM

Quote:

H3, with its given feature-set, runs at 640p. Is this a result of a lack of:

No that's FUD

http://www.bungie.net/News/content.a...news&cid=12821

What'sHD · 10-01-2007, 08:09 AM

No, it is not FUD.

To quote the site:

"In fact, if you do a comparison shot between the native 1152x640 image and the scaled 1280x720, it’s practically impossible to discern the difference."

They say "native 640p". Even though they claim no "practical" difference between the rendered 640p and upscaled 720p image, no scaler is perfect all the time and that includes the Ana (?) scaler.

More importantly, even if there is no difference due to scaling, that still does not mean the rendered frame is as good as it would have been if they had the power/inclination to render at 720. That is a given.

And, earlier on in the para (from link), they sidestep the issue by saying that since they have two frame buffers of 640p each (for lighting), one could argue that they provide 1280p vertical rez. Sorry, no dice, Bungie

The rendered rez is technically 20% short of 1280 by 720p, pixel count-wise.

If Killzone 2 is 640p scaled to 720p, I would be equally curious as to why a 1st party game, hyped beyond belief, worked on with plenty of cash & time and carrying the hopes of a console, should come in short of the next gen, high def threshold.

720p or BUST!

What'sHD · 10-01-2007, 08:39 AM

One way to calibrate whether Halo 3=640p is FUD is to see that the 640p is accepted as fact even at xbox forums at AVS...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...848672&page=23

I don't think that Halo 3 KILLED the 360. I think the 360 has some legs still but after Halo3, it is going to be hard to drum up as much hype in the future re an exclusive game, Imo

It will be interesting to see how many 360s sold in Sep thanks to Halo and compare it to Aug 07 or Sep last year.

Zotar · 10-01-2007, 09:33 AM

Agree with the OP. I've recently sold my 360 and bought a PS3, partly for the reasons mentioned in the OP and partly for blu-ray.

10-01-2007, 02:26 AM	#24
What'sHD Senior Member Member since:Feb 2007	^ I wonder... With Halo 3, MS' biggest weapon in the console war, funding would not have been an issue. And we know time was not. H3, with its given feature-set, runs at 640p. Is this a result of a lack of: 1. Money 2. Time 3. Developer expertise with 360 (same as 2?) 4. Processing power 5. Some combination of above P.S. Killzone 2 etc. better not run sub 720p.

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10-01-2007, 12:33 AM	#22
richieb1971 Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Aug 2007 4K collection:89 Blu-ray collection:706 Trading Score:16	There are several reasons why the 360 is maxxing out about now. One is that its been out longer. Two is that its based around PC architecture. PC architectures problem is that coders know it quite well and sooner rather than later they hit the brick wall. The problem with the PS3 is that the coders need to deal with the architecture before they can deal with the engine. Once thats out of the way I would envisage PS3>360 in terms of whats on the screen. I hate all these figures people shout about, they mean nothing. Sony's profits on ps3 will eventually come.

10-01-2007, 02:46 AM	#25
bone crusher Banned Member since:Jun 2007 Location:canada Trading Score:259	Halo 3 is an awesome game. Just finished playign the campaign for the last 3 hours and it's amazingly fun. Online is even better. Sorry but if your *****ing about this game not being any good you have very shitty taste. The game doesn't come on a BD disc but it kicks ass.

10-01-2007, 03:02 AM	#26
What'sHD Senior Member Member since:Feb 2007	I know the above is not addressed to me, but I wanted to say that I don't get the "insulting someone but only after apologizing for it in advance" thing

10-01-2007, 08:09 AM	#29
What'sHD Senior Member Member since:Feb 2007	No, it is not FUD. To quote the site: "In fact, if you do a comparison shot between the native 1152x640 image and the scaled 1280x720, it’s practically impossible to discern the difference." They say "native 640p". Even though they claim no "practical" difference between the rendered 640p and upscaled 720p image, no scaler is perfect all the time and that includes the Ana (?) scaler. More importantly, even if there is no difference due to scaling, that still does not mean the rendered frame is as good as it would have been if they had the power/inclination to render at 720. That is a given. And, earlier on in the para (from link), they sidestep the issue by saying that since they have two frame buffers of 640p each (for lighting), one could argue that they provide 1280p vertical rez. Sorry, no dice, Bungie The rendered rez is technically 20% short of 1280 by 720p, pixel count-wise. If Killzone 2 is 640p scaled to 720p, I would be equally curious as to why a 1st party game, hyped beyond belief, worked on with plenty of cash & time and carrying the hopes of a console, should come in short of the next gen, high def threshold. 720p or BUST!

10-01-2007, 08:39 AM	#30
What'sHD Senior Member Member since:Feb 2007	One way to calibrate whether Halo 3=640p is FUD is to see that the 640p is accepted as fact even at xbox forums at AVS... http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...848672&page=23 I don't think that Halo 3 KILLED the 360. I think the 360 has some legs still but after Halo3, it is going to be hard to drum up as much hype in the future re an exclusive game, Imo It will be interesting to see how many 360s sold in Sep thanks to Halo and compare it to Aug 07 or Sep last year.

10-01-2007, 09:33 AM	#31
Zotar Active Member Member since:Oct 2006	Agree with the OP. I've recently sold my 360 and bought a PS3, partly for the reasons mentioned in the OP and partly for blu-ray.

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