Skyfall Aspect Ratio Poll

[BozQ]

Makes me wonder. Why hasn't anyone made use of BD-Java as an option to choose between two aspect ratios? Like how we could have PiP commentaries, use the same technology, but with black bars to get the OAR.

If the 1.78 option is an open Matte version instead of cropped, of course.

[blu-ray_girl_fan]

Originally Posted by HyperRealist

Bond 50 has a space for 1 disc not 2.

...they gave each movie space for only 1 disc, including Casino Royale (which is unfortunate since the 1-disc version loses some of the Bonus Features from the 2-disc set and forces the movie to share precious disc space with other stuff).

Originally Posted by BozQ

Makes me wonder. Why hasn't anyone made use of BD-Java as an option to choose between two aspect ratios? Like how we could have PiP commentaries, use the same technology, but with black bars to get the OAR.

If the 1.78 option is an open Matte version instead of cropped, of course.

You can't just slap black bars on a movie, though. The 2.39:1 frame isn't always in the middle of the recorded image. Sometimes, it's closer to/all the way at the top, and sometimes, it's closer to/all they way at the bottom.

[notops]

If it was not shot with native IMAX cameras and film (it wasn't), then what is the point of opening the mattes for home viewing?

Stupid question.
Stupid poll.

[retablo]

It was shot for 2.39:1. I saw it in IMAX, and the composition looked awful. Way too much headroom on almost every shot.

Originally Posted by blu-ray_girl_fan

Yeah, but it was shot in 1.78:1, with the 2.40:1 composition cropped from the 1.78:1 source. That means that the framing was really done in post and not "live".

And Super35 films are shot 1.33:1 and cropped later... what's your point? Just because an entire frame is exposed doesn't mean it's supposed to be seen.

[joenostalgia23]

Originally Posted by notops

If it was not shot with native IMAX cameras and film (it wasn't), then what is the point of opening the mattes for home viewing?

Stupid question.
Stupid poll.

The mattes were left completely open for the entire duration of the film in IMAX, giving it a unique experience.
The same was done for Prometheus, though that film was not released open-matte.

The Dark Knight, Transformers 2 and Tron: Legacy(which, like Skyfall, was shot digitally) all had open matte sequences in IMAX, that were brought over to the Blu-ray to help emulate the "IMAX experience"

[blu-ray_girl_fan]

Originally Posted by retablo

It was shot for 2.39:1. I saw it in IMAX, and the composition looked awful. Way too much headroom on almost every shot.

And Super35 films are shot 1.33:1 and cropped later... what's your point? Just because an entire frame is exposed doesn't mean it's supposed to be seen.

Yes, but in this case, it was. Mendes and Deakins kept both aspect ratios in mind.

As for "too much headroom"...again, I noticed that the 2.39:1 frame was sometimes higher or lower in the full frame than just in the middle, so it's an entirely different experience. Mendes and Deakins didn't just slap black bars on the top and bottom and call it a day. The 2.39:1 frame was applied to different portions of the full frame depending on the shot.

[Todd Smith]

Originally Posted by 42041

I'd rather see the scope version. Just feels more right for a Bond movie.

Agreed.

Originally Posted by Geoff D

It was framed for 2.40, I saw it in 2.40, I want the Blu-ray in 2.40. Anything else is pandering to the 'I want my big screen filled' brigade - and yes, this includes the proprietors of IMAX...

Agreed.

Originally Posted by Adam_ME

I don't mind having both, but if I had to choose only one, then 2.40:1. I've seen both the regular and IMAX versions and there's a lot of extra headroom in the latter. Not quite as distracting as those open matte transfers of Kubrick films(before Blu-ray came along), but clearly the 2.40:1 framing is the way this movie was meant to be seen.

This is one thing I dont like about open matte vs scope. Commonly there is noticeably to much unused and unneeded real estate above and/or below. This film in particular sure seems to be shot with scope in mind so it would be a shame if we dont get that version on blu ray.

[Pelican170]

haha, i saw the Imax movie and I didnt think much of it at all. Probably because I know it wasnt shot in true Imax form.. Id prefer the normal one though. I wasnt "blown away" like some people here... Actually, I dont think id opt to spend the extra money for imax next time...

[Rizor]

Originally Posted by HyperRealist

Bond 50 has a space for 1 disc not 2.

The Bond 50 bonus disc is only slightly more useful than the cardboard Skyfall placeholder. Can easily be discarded to make room for another disc.

[blu-ray_girl_fan]

Just got back from another IMAX viewing (2nd in IMAX, 3rd overall). Really enjoyed it again, though I think it's possible that some scenes were cropped at the sides compared to the 2.39:1 version. In particular, the scene where Bond is shooting his Walther inside a government building. Bond is standing in the middle of the screen, and his gun hand is almost off the screen on the left.

2.39:1 framing:



IMAX framing (more of the original frame is available at the top and bottom where the black bars are):



No idea why they favored the space on the right rather than the space on the left.

[Agent Bond]

Regular. I hate that IMAX sh**.

The Bond 50 bonus disc is only slightly more useful than the cardboard Skyfall placeholder. Can easily be discarded to make room for another disc.

+ 1

Like Bond 24.

[johnvonmacz]

Originally Posted by blu-ray_girl_fan

Yeah, I wouldn't want the IMAX ratio to supplant the scope ratio. It should be offered on a separate disc so that compression rates won't be affected. Ideally, this would be a four-disc set:

1) IMAX 1.90:1 ratio
2) regular 2.39:1 ratio
3) Bonus Features
4) DVD

+1
This would be awesome! If they'll do this 4 disc set, this is definitely a day 1 buy for me. I've been thinking about this since I saw sky fall on IMAX last week. It looks foooken amazing! And having a seperate disc for IMAX is perfect. Because every people has their own preference version. Thanks to the OP for bringing this up!!

[blu-ray_girl_fan]

Originally Posted by johnvonmacz

+1
This would be awesome! If they'll do this 4 disc set, this is definitely a day 1 buy for me. I've been thinking about this since I saw sky fall on IMAX last week. It looks foooken amazing! And having a seperate disc for IMAX is perfect. Because every people has their own preference version. Thanks to the OP for bringing this up!!

Yay!

[spf781]

2.39:1 for me. Sure, the IMAX looked and sounded great, but that was not the original intended ratio of the filmmakers.

[Slim Jim]

They should release a special edition that has both aspect ratios

[Yojimbo68]

Originally Posted by spf781

2.39:1 for me. Sure, the IMAX looked and sounded great, but that was not the original intended ratio of the filmmakers.

The IMAX version is also an intended ratio approved by the filmmakers.

Why anyone would vote for only the 2.39.1 aspect ratio is beyond me. If they only offer one aspect ratio we will never hear the end of it on these forums...But if I had to choose only one aspect ratio I guess I would choose the 2.39.1. My gut tells me that the IMAX version will not be available...at least not right away.

[Yojimbo68]

Originally Posted by Slim Jim

They should release a special edition that has both aspect ratios

That would be the way to do it! A regular version that contains just the theatrical aspect ratio and a special edition that has both. That would make everyone happpy!

[Ugly Pig]

Originally Posted by Yojimbo68

The IMAX version is also an intended ratio approved by the filmmakers.

It was a compromise specifically for IMAX screens. 2.39:1 is the true intended ratio, as has been properly documented in this thread. There's no reason to waste a disc on a version of the film not intended for viewing other than in IMAX theaters. Give me some worthwhile bonus features instead.

[Rinzler]

The only way I would expect the screen to open up to simulate the IMAX experience is if parts of the film were shot with IMAX cameras (see Transformers 2, The Dark Knight, Mission Impossible Ghost Protocol, and The Dark Knight Rises). Since this is not the case, I really want constant scope throughout.

EDIT: Also, I highly doubt they would include two discs, one for "IMAX," and one for scope. IF they were to do that, I'd be on board. However, I think it's incredibly unlikely. I'd rather have a disc full of special features rather than an IMAX disc, maybe the film clips in those could be open matte.

[blu-ray_girl_fan]

Originally Posted by Ugly Pig

It was a compromise specifically for IMAX screens. 2.39:1 is the true intended ratio, as has been properly documented in this thread. There's no reason to waste a disc on a version of the film not intended for viewing other than in IMAX theaters. Give me some worthwhile bonus features instead.

...that makes no sense. It's not as if the IMAX disc would replace a Bonus Features disc.

Originally Posted by Rinzler

The only way I would expect the screen to open up to simulate the IMAX experience is if parts of the film were shot with IMAX cameras (see Transformers 2, The Dark Knight, Mission Impossible Ghost Protocol, and The Dark Knight Rises). Since this is not the case, I really want constant scope throughout.

EDIT: Also, I highly doubt they would include two discs, one for "IMAX," and one for scope. IF they were to do that, I'd be on board. However, I think it's incredibly unlikely. I'd rather have a disc full of special features rather than an IMAX disc, maybe the film clips in those could be open matte.

The whole movie was shot in 1.78:1, so the whole movie is 1.90:1 in IMAX. It doesn't alternate between 1.90:1 and 2.39:1, so there aren't any "clips" to be shown open matte.