Predator 3D Blu-ray (1987) [Region Locked]

[fitprod]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

They will probably use the Ultimate Hunter Edition Master, which will upset the film purists, most of whom think conversion to 3D is blasphemy.

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[raygendreau]

The process ($10-15,000 per minute?):

http://www.techguide.com.au/menu-new...-from-2d-to-3d

The equipment (Around $30,000):

http://www.expandore.com/product/JVC...ProHD_Cam3.htm

2 D to 3 D conversion on the cheap. 1/3 the cost and mostly automated. Don't expect Titanic 3D quality. Not even close.

[Jsmith82]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

The process ($10-15,000?):

http://www.techguide.com.au/menu-new...-from-2d-to-3d

The equipment (Around $30,000):

http://www.expandore.com/product/JVC...ProHD_Cam3.htm

2 D to 3 D conversion on the cheap. 1/3 the cost and mostly automated. Don't expect Titanic 3D quality. Not even close.

JVC actually developed a work station which probably brings in some of that technology from that "IF-2D3D1 3D Image Processor" to assist rotoscoping, however most (not all) other studios do the same whether the assist be through Mocha, YUV, AEE, NUKE, etc. The conversion process still requires artists to fill in stretched blanks - the incredibly fast time they can achieve a conversion shows in the quality of the conversion which after I, Robot (which I rewatched and commented on in that topic the other day) leads me to say this:

It is a true 3d conversion, however the less parallax / depth, the less to clean up - the faster the process.

Check this out: http://pro.jvc.com/pro/pr/2012/nab/jvc_fox.html

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by Jsmith82

JVC actually developed a work station which probably brings in some of that technology from that "IF-2D3D1 3D Image Processor" to assist rotoscoping, however most (not all) other studios do the same whether the assist be through Mocha, YUV, AEE, NUKE, etc. The conversion process still requires artists to fill in stretched blanks - the incredibly fast time they can achieve a conversion shows in the quality of the conversion which after I, Robot (which I rewatched and commented on in that topic the other day) leads me to say this:

It is a true 3d conversion, however the less parallax / depth, the less to clean up - the faster the process.

Check this out: http://pro.jvc.com/pro/pr/2012/nab/jvc_fox.html

Yes, I saw that press release some time ago. The question is, why did they cancel Independence Day which was supposed to be next up for conversion? I think that would have presented fewer problems than Predator.

[Jsmith82]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

Yes, I saw that press release some time ago. The question is, why did they cancel Independence Day which was supposed to be next up for conversion? I think that would have presented fewer problems than Predator.

I would like to know the answer to that question myself - The announcement of that conversion made me grin ear to ear, I love ID4! I'd like to think it was just put on the back burner while focus shifted to something they unanimously decided was bigger and better, hopefully not shelved.. .

It's crazy though that they would announce something like that then back out. Having programmed a few indie games in my day, I learned you do not discuss a project publicly unless you're going to follow through, otherwise in the end you tend to just look like.. well, a jackass. lol

[BleedOrange11]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

Yes, I saw that press release some time ago. The question is, why did they cancel Independence Day which was supposed to be next up for conversion? I think that would have presented fewer problems than Predator.

Maybe because the quality level achieved by this technology is not yet worthy of a theatrical re-release.

[Paul H]

Originally Posted by BleedOrange11

Maybe because the quality level achieved by this technology is not yet worthy of a theatrical re-release.

Agreed. A good probability call.

[Impossible]

Was the original bluray release of Predator not a grain fest?

Personally after Top Gun I will wait to see screenshots before I'd purchase it.

[Jsmith82]

Originally Posted by Impossible

Was the original bluray release of Predator not a grain fest?

Personally after Top Gun I will wait to see screenshots before I'd purchase it.

Check out my <edit> amazing displacement conversion of your handle:



It's a rescan from the original negatives. Pretty sweet, eh?

[Geoff D]

Top Gun looked great to me. Grain in all the right places, no more, no less. How I'd love it if Predator got similar treatment, with a new scan and whatnot, but if Fox are doing their cheapo conversion bit then it'll be the godawful UHE master all the way.

[Impossible]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Top Gun looked great to me. Grain in all the right places, no more, no less. How I'd love it if Predator got similar treatment, with a new scan and whatnot, but if Fox are doing their cheapo conversion bit then it'll be the godawful UHE master all the way.

Sorry I do not believe that grain is natural for a second. Plus as I have said a million times it is more the horrible colour grade and generally horrible PQ that annoys me more. I thought the 3D was actually pretty great.

[Irrob]

This is unexpected. I'm assuming they will remaster this for a 3D release?

[Pieter V]

A new remastered transfer please. 3D is just bonus for me.

[#Darren]

new 2d transfer???

[scissorpuppy]

Wow, while I'm defiantly excited about the idea of a new transfer, this is just one movie I can't imagine being a good choice for 3D conversion. The film grain is all over the place from shot to shot, and from I understand different stocks and cameras were used for various reasons/shots. Perhaps and full scale remastering from the elements would help these issues, but I'm scared they are just going to DNR it to hell to make the 3D "smooth".

[bigdaddyhorse]

Originally Posted by #Darren

new 2d transfer???

$5 says it the UHE 3D'ed, and the 2D disc will be that too.

Hoping I'm wrong, but feel I'm right.

[Gold Ranger]

The only Blu-Ray I have of this is the Ultimate Hunter Edition.

[bsweetness]

Originally Posted by bigdaddyhorse

$5 says it the UHE 3D'ed, and the 2D disc will be that too.

Hoping I'm wrong, but feel I'm right.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure this will end up being the case. If they don't use the UHE, they'll probably use a similarly DNR'rd transfer like scissorpuppy said.

[The Great Owl]

I'll probably stick with my current copy of the original release, since it looks fine to my eyes...

[raygendreau]

The JVC Kenwood conversion process that will be used is largely automated. It will take 3 people about 3 months to do the 2D to 3D conversion. Compare that with Titanic which took hundreds of people well over a year.

The first catalog title to use this cost effective process was I, Robot. The 2D and 3D version is on one disk. Predator will probably be the same.

The second conversion using this process was going to be Independence Day, but that was cancelled.

Fox's objective is to provide more 3D content for the digital media market at an economical cost. With that in mind, the most logical approach is to use the existing UHE master, since the 2008 master is too dark and grainy to be suitable for conversion. The additional cost of a new master would be out of the question.

http://pro.jvc.com/pro/pr/2012/nab/jvc_fox.html

http://www.techguide.com.au/menu-new...-from-2d-to-3d

http://www.tvbeurope.com/theworkflow...s-fox-approval