Optoma HD-91 Testing

[Badas]

Originally Posted by kenoh

of course it won't reach 500,0001 I said at most between 50 and 100,0001 and like you I will also use it for gaming, TV, and some movie watching during daylight hours. I mean nothing beats gaming on a 110+ screen. I will be using this in a living room setting that's why I like the brightness of the Panny but that doesn't mean it will have an artificial look to it as some so called business projectors can do well as a home theater projector and if the Panny can look as good as the Epson 8350 i'd take it since it's for my living room/ gaming system.

I don't have a gallery up because my living room is a bit messy right now plus I haven't yet completely finished my home theater but I do have some pics I took a few months back so i'll upload those if you want to have a look. oh and that's a nice system you have there.

I think we are on the same page now and you have the right idea for your application (extra brightness). The only thing that I would be wary of in your situation is that altho the Panny is a cross purpose machine I don't know if the Dynamic dimming control will be as highly tuned for HT purposes as the Optoma. On saying that no reviews are out yet Optoma might screw it up. 500000:1 does sound way over the top.

[kenoh]

Originally Posted by Badas

I think we are on the same page now and you have the right idea for your application (extra brightness). The only thing that I would be wary of in your situation is that altho the Panny is a cross purpose machine I don't know if the Dynamic dimming control will be as highly tuned for HT purposes as the Optoma. On saying that no reviews are out yet Optoma might screw it up. 500000:1 does sound way over the top.

I don't know about local dimming I will have to look into it but I do know from watching a press video that they demonstrated it does have dynamic wattage control and will only use as much power as needed so I presume it could last longer than most laser projectors based on that feature alone!

Another feature it has is edge blending so you could create one seamless image with multiple projectors "perfect for AMD eye infinity or Nvidia surround gaming!" The panny also has 3d and Horizontal / Vertical Lens Shift with 2x zoom. I also doubt the Panny has any type of color flickering as it has a 30x Drive!

[Badas]

Originally Posted by kenoh

I don't know about local dimming I will have to look into it but I do know from watching a press video that they demonstrated it does have dynamic wattage control and will only use as much power as needed so I presume it could last longer than most laser projectors based on that feature alone!

Another feature it has is edge blending so you could create one seamless image with multiple projectors "perfect for AMD eye infinity or Nvidia surround gaming!" The panny also has 3d and Horizontal / Vertical Lens Shift with 2x zoom. I also doubt the Panny has any type of color flickering as it has a 30x Drive!

Sounds great. Will wait for reviews. What is 30x Drive?
I think the Optoma is going to be great on bright scenes. Could be great on low APL scenes (depends on the amount of dimming). Not so great on high and low APL scenes. Nothing touches JVC tech on high and low APL. Dynamic iris or dimming can't do both high and low APL at the same time. Cineversum use JVC projectors and tweak them (better lense and colourist calibrates each unit)

So I'm thinking of the Optoma plus a mid range JVC (Cineversum). I can't wait for their announcement.

[kenoh]

Originally Posted by Badas

Sounds great. Will wait for reviews. What is 30x Drive?
I think the Optoma is going to be great on bright scenes. Could be great on low APL scenes (depends on the amount of dimming). Not so great on high and low APL scenes. Nothing touches JVC tech on high and low APL. Dynamic iris or dimming can't do both high and low APL at the same time. Cineversum use JVC projectors and tweak them (better lense and colourist calibrates each unit)

So I'm thinking of the Optoma plus a mid range JVC (Cineversum). I can't wait for their announcement.

There should be reviews soon as the Panny been available for a while now. The 30x times drive is the amount of times the laser has to shift to produce colors as a conventional lamp projector uses a color wheel this instead uses a on/off switching of the LED/Laser light source.

Oh by the way I put up some older pictures in my home theater gallery nothing special right now because I've been very busy but plane to get new furniture and use my front PG studio 100's speakers for my surrounds and get the new paradigm studio or even better the signature editions and use those for the fronts and by this christmas get the special editions and use those for my rear surrounds and get a second HSU VTF 15h sub including a new laser projector. I don't have a big Blu-ray collection because I am waiting for 4k bluray's before I start making a collection "unless it's older movies I know will take a long time to come out on 4k Blu-ray."

[Badas]

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Everything you have is real top quality. Well done. It is exactly what I did. If I couldn't afford the best I didn't buy it until I could. My centre speaker and large rear sub is now 18 years old. However not many modern speakers can get anywhere near their quality. There is not many centres that have two amplified driven subs in it.

[kenoh]

Originally Posted by Badas

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Everything you have is real top quality. Well done. It is exactly what I did. If I couldn't afford the best I didn't buy it until I could. My centre speaker and large rear sub is now 18 years old. However not many modern speakers can get anywhere near their quality. There is not many centres that have two amplified driven subs in it.

Thanks and that's true that not many centers have a powered sub I was going to get a Def Tech Home Theater system before I decided on the paradigm simply because the Def Techs all had powered subs including the center channel but then I saw the paradigm studio cc690 center and it was a monster and also the fact that I wanted something not just for movies but more musical too and the PD's were a good balance between the two as my towers hit hard and I don't even have the required amplifier yet. My Hsu is fantastic! A monster on it's own that does very well not just for movies but music too!

I was also very interested in the new Kef's as I had the model before "Kef iq30" and resent selling them and I think I may purchase them again or maybe even the towers strictly for music. I just know I liked them way more than the B&W's as those sounded way too dry for my taste even though there both British made speakers.

"I uploaded more images if you want to take a look?"

[Flatnate]

I bet Sony puts out a updated version of the VPL-VW1000ES with their new blue laser/phosphor light engine in time. Take a look at the Sony VPL-FHZ55. It won't use a laser light engine that has separate laser for red, green, and blue. I kinda wonder if Kodak didn't have a patent on that technology which has since been sold of to IMAX and some players in the development big DCI cinema projectors. Rather it uses a blue laser that excites a phosphor material to produce white light. Still, anything that gets away from the UHP lamp is exiting in my book.

[Badas]

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I really hope that this Optoma shakes up the rest.

There are a lot of advantages to LED or Laser light sources.

Immediate start up and shutdown. Just like a TV.

Calibrate once. No or little deteriation of the light source.

Theoretical less fan noise. Supposedly less heat.

I'm in the market for something to do 3D perfectly. Only DLP can. So this projector is a given. I won't get on release date, however I'm looking at doing something early next year.

I would also like to see a JVC with an LED light source and E-shift. Stuff 4K, I really can't be bothered with it. I have plenty of detail already.

[kenoh]

Originally Posted by Badas

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I really hope that this Optoma shakes up the rest.


I would also like to see a JVC with an LED light source and E-shift. Stuff 4K, I really can't be bothered with it. I have plenty of detail already.

What's funny is that you say you can't be bothered by 4k but you like JVC so much and there E-shift technology which is a pseudo 4k enhancement feature that upscales movies to 4k resolution and that's what makes JVC right now stand above the rest is that it's the only affordable 4k projector in the consumer space but it's just not a real one and so if there's a JVC with e-shift 3 that does true 4k you would not say you couldn't be bothered by that!

The only other projector that does true 4k is the SONY projector for $20,000 and that's by no means cheap so I hope JVC can be the first to come out with one that under $4,000 maybe with there next version of E-shift technology? I would snatch that in a heart beat especially if it's laser!

The thing about laser I like is I can treat it like a TV by turning it off and on and I don't have to be so gentle with it when moving it around or scared the bulb wouldn't blow from a power surge or something. I also like that the quality stays the same for much of it's life as my Acer 1080p laser projector has been used for almost 1,000 hours but still looks the same and most projectors would lose almost half there brightness by then!

[Badas]

Originally Posted by kenoh

What's funny is that you say you can't be bothered by 4k but you like JVC so much and there E-shift technology which is a pseudo 4k enhancement feature that upscales movies to 4k resolution and that's what makes JVC right now stand above the rest is that it's the only affordable 4k projector in the consumer space but it's just not a real one and so if there's a JVC with e-shift 3 that does true 4k you would not say you couldn't be bothered by that!

Yeah, I haven't been clear. I'm not interested in 4K. We have to buy new receivers to pass 4K. Possibly a new cable. The delivery system hasn't been sorted yet and there is no content. So I'm not excited.

Blu-ray and 1080P is clear enough for me.

What I am interested in is JVC's E-shift. Because it is simpler. No new format, No new players, No new cables and no new amp. Just smaller pixels. I'm not interested in the detail enhancement on E-shift. I would likely set that to it's lowest setting. Just occasionally I see a pixel grid on white bright objects on my current projector. So a smaller pixel will be of help.

Does that make sense?

[Flatnate]

Yeah 4K is on my wishlist for if I ever do like a massive scope dimension screen. Only then would I like that pixel density. I'm talking bigger than 140 inch diagonal. However, it is so far out right now that I don't really concern myself with it at all.

That said I wouldn't base a single current purchase around the hope of 4K.

One, we are waiting for HDMI 2.0, Second, once HDMI 2.0 does come out I would buy an HDMI 2.0 splitter or matrix switch to accommodate whatever is feeding 4k source material by then. The relatively cheap splitter/switches will follow shortly after the standard is finalized, and offer a great value. I would then run a second cable to the projector from my pre/pro or use the matrix switch and a single cable to send other material to the projector from my existing processor. HDMI 2.0 is worth holding out on with any 4K display but I wouldn't delay buying pre/pro or really any other gear now because of it.

More so than pixel density I would like to see an extended color pallete. To me this is a bigger deal than 4K! Sony has the new "masterd in 4K discs" that include x.v.Color. However reports are coming in that they are running a Sony proprietary version of it. Other manufacturers were advertising "x.v.Color" just a few years ago. However, if you send Sony x.v.Color to one of those displays via a Sony player the colors become washed out. WTF!?

Building a wider color palette then or off of Rec 709, would be awesome. My JVC can handle "deep color" but that is not the same as "x.v.Color". Deep color was mainly intended to reduce color banding, it never actually moved us past the Rec 709 gamut. So the two go hand in hand but I don't understand why you would implement "deep color" without "x.v.Color". So as of now it kind of sounds like failed marketing bull crap. Improving on all this could be what entices me to upgrade in time.

Last, I just read an Electronic House article called "where are all the 4K Projectors?". In short, it wasn't encouraging. If you are really gunning for a 4K projector, you basically have four of them now. The Sim2/Christie DCI projector made for the home, a Barco DCI projector calibrated for the home, the Meridian 4k projector based on a JVC 4K DILA chipset, and the Sonly VPL-VW1000. Sounds like Texas Instruments isn't planning on a consumer sized 4K DLP chip for a few years yet. That really just leaves Sony as the only player talking about a new cheaper 4K projector in the next year or two. Maybe Red will shock everyone and step up to the plate.

I'm just waiting to see how the cards fall, my JVC is A-OK for a long while yet.

[Badas]

I think 4K is fuzzing up everything. It is too early.

No viable delivery system of movies.

No spec of cable system. I would guess that Sony and JVC will put a Parallel port system in any 4K projectors for 2014. So it has some way to deliver 4K. What good is that if everything eventually goes HDMI?

A lot of perfectly capable 1080P pass through receivers are going to need upgrading.

4K or UHD does not match 4K projection in the cinema. How loopy is that. They are 2 different resolutions. Every 108th line has to be dropped from Cinema 4K for consumer 4K or UHD. I can just see it, Years from now we will get Real 4k or Real UHD and they will add the extra resolution back.

Then you have the expanded bit-rate colour depth issue highlighted above. Joe Krane believes we need to go to a 16bit system. Guess what. Not invented or ready. Even HDMI 2.0 is not capable.

It is for those reasons I'm just not interested. 4K is one of the most ill conceived, Mickey Mouse, Crap bullsh#t new formats I have seen and I have been into HT since LazerDisc. I'm getting too old for manufactures marketing crap. 1080P is still good enough for me. I still buzz out from the extreme detail from it.

This is why this projector has got me excited. It hasn't concentrated on that 4K rubbish and tried to fix other issues like lamp source.

[Badas]

More info:

http://www.optoma.co.uk/HD91soon.aspx

[kenoh]

Originally Posted by Badas

More info:

http://www.optoma.co.uk/HD91soon.aspx

so it will be priced around $3000? maybe some retailers might have it under after the new year! but what I want to know is when is the US release? 4th quarter? I'm not digging the Brightness though! Might go for the Panny if it's too much for too little!

[Badas]

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Brightness is fine for my application (Bat Cave). I'm not that happy about the noise level tho. 23db. Mine is 19db. I thought Led lamps were going to be quiet?

I'm not seeing much of an advantage with Led light source now. Still going to get one tho as I need a robust 3D unit and JVC can't deliver.

[Badas]

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Yeah, marketing crap. Looks like it has a version of the Darbee or Sony's reality creation built in too.

[Badas]

First review I have found.

Looks very positive. Those 2D screenshots look great.

English is very bad in the review. You can get the idea of what they are talking about tho.

http://translate.google.com/translat...67028-1-1.html