Flatnate's Theater Build

[onyxbfly]

Flatnate, that's a great space you have their. I know that you mentioned not wanting to go with an interim screen. Have you taken a look at the DIY screen thread at avsforum? http://www.avsforum.com/f/110/diy-screen-section

Peeps are getting great results with DIY A/T screens. You might find something that will fit your needs.

[onyxbfly]

Member Randy98mtu has a DIY A/T Take a look.

https://www.blu-ray.com/community/ga...ber=randy98mtu

[Flatnate]

Originally Posted by onyxbfly

Flatnate, that's a great space you have their. I know that you mentioned not wanting to go with an interim screen. Have you taken a look at the DIY screen thread at avsforum? http://www.avsforum.com/f/110/diy-screen-section

Peeps are getting great results with DIY A/T screens. You might find something that will fit your needs.

Yeah that is definitely an option. I mean if your building the screen wall yourself then your already firmly in the DIY project spectrum.

I'm curious what if any DIY fabrics/screen materials match up to the AcousticPro4k. I would rather not do something like Spandex. I know Seymour CenterStageXD is sold to DIY guys, but I'm still concerned about visible weave and moire'. CenterStageXD is supposedly good stuff too, I almost wish I had never seen the 4k material. Dang. Ignorance was bliss.

Still a DIY screen with CenterStageXD (or even Jamestown Screens will build you one with XD for reasonable) is probably better than going cheap fixed frame and throwing speakers under it.

I measured the ceiling height during inspection yesterday, and they are low. Ceiling is like 7 foot 2. Figure a Ikea Besta stand is 15 inches tall, my Mackies are 14.8 inches tall. That means if the top of the screen is right on the ceiling I'd barely barely squeeze a 2.35 ratio 138 inch diagonal on the wall with enough room under it to fit in the cabinet and speakers. Really you almost need to do 125 inch then to make it look comfortable.

However an AT screen you no longer have any of that to worry about and I could easily go up to the 138 inches I had hoped on originally.

I think I should stick to my guns on going A/T. Even if I don't build a stage right away or splurge on the AcousticPro4k.

[onyxbfly]

Originally Posted by Flatnate

Yeah that is definitely an option. I mean if your building the screen wall yourself then your already firmly in the DIY project spectrum.

I'm curious what if any DIY fabrics/screen materials match up to the AcousticPro4k. I would rather not do something like Spandex. I know Seymour CenterStageXD is sold to DIY guys, but I'm still concerned about visible weave and moire'. CenterStageXD is supposedly good stuff too, I almost wish I had never seen the 4k material. Dang. Ignorance was bliss.

Still a DIY screen with CenterStageXD (or even Jamestown Screens will build you one with XD for reasonable) is probably better than going cheap fixed frame and throwing speakers under it.

I measured the ceiling height during inspection yesterday, and they are low. Ceiling is like 7 foot 2. Figure a Ikea Besta stand is 15 inches tall, my Mackies are 14.8 inches tall. That means if the top of the screen is right on the ceiling I'd barely barely squeeze a 2.35 ratio 138 inch diagonal on the wall with enough room under it to fit in the cabinet and speakers. Really you almost need to do 125 inch then to make it look comfortable.

However an AT screen you no longer have any of that to worry about and I could easily go up to the 138 inches I had hoped on originally.

I think I should stick to my guns on going A/T. Even if I don't build a stage right away or splurge on the AcousticPro4k.

There are different qualities and selling points amongst the manufacturer that you have listed. I think I'm going to try my luck with spandex. When I step up into a new projector I will step up into a new screen. Actually I dont think that may be for a few years at most. Unless upgradeitis sets in and I find a great deal on a new JVC.

If I don't care for the spandex Ill start ordering samples and going to show rooms and see what my wallet can stand.

[Mr.Twinks]

Originally Posted by Flatnate

Thanks guys, I'm pretty stoked to give you some updates but my enthusiasm is often tempered by "Flatwife" who wants to get some of the major urgent projects out of the way after move in first. Namely some exterior paint and trim work, locks, grounded outlets (yeah the upstairs still has some of those three outlet un-grounded ones, and our one plasma has to go in that room). The home was actually built in 1960, and the upstairs isn't nearly as clean as the basement.




Thanks! I hoped the red fabric gave a bit of a bold theater vibe.

That AcousticPro4k is a woven type fabric like SMX and SeymourAV Centerstage XD but the weave is outstanding. It is probably comparable to Seymour Screen Excellence Enlightor 4k material to be honest. I'd love to get the two side by side but I guarantee the Seymour probably costs more... much more.

Unfortunately, I still think it may be out of my budget for a while. I really don't want to buy an "interim" screen; but its hard not to when you can get an Elite fixed frame non-acoustically transparent screen of the same size for $480 bucks new on eBay.

I have been doing some research on that screen and it looks sweet! If/when I flip my theater 180 degrees around that is what I want to use. Question is, for a 120" screen, is it about $2K shipped?

[roar]

Originally Posted by Flatnate

Yeah that is definitely an option. I mean if your building the screen wall yourself then your already firmly in the DIY project spectrum.

I'm curious what if any DIY fabrics/screen materials match up to the AcousticPro4k. I would rather not do something like Spandex. I know Seymour CenterStageXD is sold to DIY guys, but I'm still concerned about visible weave and moire'. CenterStageXD is supposedly good stuff too, I almost wish I had never seen the 4k material. Dang. Ignorance was bliss.

Still a DIY screen with CenterStageXD (or even Jamestown Screens will build you one with XD for reasonable) is probably better than going cheap fixed frame and throwing speakers under it.

I measured the ceiling height during inspection yesterday, and they are low. Ceiling is like 7 foot 2. Figure a Ikea Besta stand is 15 inches tall, my Mackies are 14.8 inches tall. That means if the top of the screen is right on the ceiling I'd barely barely squeeze a 2.35 ratio 138 inch diagonal on the wall with enough room under it to fit in the cabinet and speakers. Really you almost need to do 125 inch then to make it look comfortable.

However an AT screen you no longer have any of that to worry about and I could easily go up to the 138 inches I had hoped on originally.

I think I should stick to my guns on going A/T. Even if I don't build a stage right away or splurge on the AcousticPro4k.

I'm using the CentreStageXD for my screen and I'm happy, no moir complaints from me though I've never seen moire in person so who knows

[Flatnate]

Originally Posted by Mr.Twinks

I have been doing some research on that screen and it looks sweet! If/when I flip my theater 180 degrees around that is what I want to use. Question is, for a 120" screen, is it about $2K shipped?

I'll be honest I didn't ask on the price. I have a route into ordering non "Prime Vision" Elite screens through a different dealer that I work with, and I wanted to ask if the Lunette or anything with AcousticPro4k material was able to be bought through them first. I want one at 138 inches, but I'll look in to that size as well, and post back at some point.

Originally Posted by roar

I'm using the CentreStageXD for my screen and I'm happy, no moir complaints from me though I've never seen moire in person so who knows

Hey Roar, so what is your seating distance with that material then? No moire is good news, but can you make out any weave? What distance do you recommend as a minimum distance with that material and not having any noticeable weave?

[Flatnate]

Doing some late night nerding out over at AVS forum on some of these woven materials...

They claim that the CenterStageXD although having a more visible weave is still substantially brighter in terms of measured gain over the Elite A4k material.

I think I may order a sample of the stuff.

[roar]

Originally Posted by Flatnate

Doing some late night nerding out over at AVS forum on some of these woven materials...

They claim that the CenterStageXD although having a more visible weave is still substantially brighter in terms of measured gain over the Elite A4k material.

I think I may order a sample of the stuff.

Ugh... I just pitched a ton of it while cleaning up the house the other day, I could have sent you plenty.

Honestly, I sit about 12-13 feet from my 10ft wide screen and I don't think I can see weave with any clarity. Is there a bit of a texture evident from that distance? Ya, I'd be lying if i said other wise, but it isn't something that even registers for me when watching a movie. For the cost of the screen and for the ability to go wall-to-wall and not have to worry about speaker placement next to the screen I'd do it again any day of the week.

[Flatnate]

Originally Posted by roar

Ugh... I just pitched a ton of it while cleaning up the house the other day, I could have sent you plenty.

Honestly, I sit about 12-13 feet from my 10ft wide screen and I don't think I can see weave with any clarity. Is there a bit of a texture evident from that distance? Ya, I'd be lying if i said other wise, but it isn't something that even registers for me when watching a movie. For the cost of the screen and for the ability to go wall-to-wall and not have to worry about speaker placement next to the screen I'd do it again any day of the week.

No sweat man, I appreciate the offer. I think Seymour will send a small sample off for no charge.

There is a post by Chris Seymour over at AVS, that I just can not find again right now to save my life. Anyway, he throws out a percentage of gain increase over other materials with the CenterstageXD, and it was substantially more than the Elite A4K. Still, much higher than SnapAV Dragonfly (another one I had considered as well).

Could I use that extra gain? Probably. I'm thinking like 2.35:1 with 135-ish inch diagonal. Probably, sitting close for a screen like that most likely but still near abouts just over 10 feet away.

I'm definitely becoming a little bullish on the CenterStageXD now. If the Elite A4k is well over $2K the "wife acceptance factor" will plummet. I'm not sure I have the heart to use my old pull-down that long. Also, over the long haul the difference in price could easily pay for some carpet, stage, and riser materials or a much needed subwoofer upgrade.

[Flatnate]

Called James at Jamestown Screens just now.

Lead time is more than most, but Holy-Cristopher is he a good value. He is starting to do some beta models for scope dimension curved screens.

Essentially, I'm looking at 140 inch scope dimension with A/T masking panels or a curved model without masking panels for the near the same price give or take 50 bucks and some shipping. He thinks the masking panels may work on the curved screen but being no one has mated them together yet, he can't say definitively. Price is so much less than the Elite. Next to my doing full DIY, I just have so many other things I can do with that money. Pretty sure this is it.

So curved, or flat with masking panels I think is my new question?


Oh... and yes someday I want an anamorphic lens.

[roar]

Originally Posted by Flatnate

Called James at Jamestown Screens just now.

Lead time is more than most, but Holy-Cristopher is he a good value. He is starting to do some beta models for scope dimension curved screens.

Essentially, I'm looking at 140 inch scope dimension with A/T masking panels or a curved model without masking panels for the near the same price give or take 50 bucks and some shipping. He thinks the masking panels may work on the curved screen but being no one has mated them together yet, he can't say definitively. Price is so much less than the Elite. Next to my doing full DIY, I just have so many other things I can do with that money. Pretty sure this is it.

So curved, or flat with masking panels I think is my new question?


Oh... and yes someday I want an anamorphic lens.

Are you really sold on the scope screen? Does your room have more width than height available to it? I had a scope screen for years and thought it was the cats pyjama's but the amount of 1.78 content coming out of hollywood these days seems to be growing (I could be way wrong) and the sacrifice was too big to go scope when I changed the room around. If you've got more height than width I'd seriously give 1.78 more thought. Particularly if you're considering masking anyway.

[Flatnate]

Originally Posted by roar

Are you really sold on the scope screen? Does your room have more width than height available to it? I had a scope screen for years and thought it was the cats pyjama's but the amount of 1.78 content coming out of hollywood these days seems to be growing (I could be way wrong) and the sacrifice was too big to go scope when I changed the room around. If you've got more height than width I'd seriously give 1.78 more thought. Particularly if you're considering masking anyway.

Yeah. Personally, I think scope lends itself to this room a little better due to the 14 foot wide wall coupled with the 7.2 inch ceiling height. If I go 1.78, I would either just go with a smaller screen overall, or I would have to take the bottom edge a little closer to the floor. I'm afraid that taller screen (which could be sweet for row one) might may be too low to the floor for the second row to enjoy as much (assuming I only stick with a 7 inch riser). The relatively low ceiling height really doesn't lend itself well to going higher on that rear riser.

Either way, I think I have to get the "scope bug" out of my system at this point... as irrational as that may be.

[onyxbfly]

Originally Posted by Flatnate

Yeah. Personally, I think scope lends itself to this room a little better due to the 14 foot wide wall coupled with the 7.2 inch ceiling height. If I go 1.78, I would either just go with a smaller screen overall, or I would have to take the bottom edge a little closer to the floor. I'm afraid that taller screen (which could be sweet for row one) might may be too low to the floor for the second row to enjoy as much (assuming I only stick with a 7 inch riser). The relatively low ceiling height really doesn't lend itself well to going higher on that rear riser.

Either way, I think I have to get the "scope bug" out of my system at this point... as irrational as that may be.

There is something that is very alluring about it. I'm not sure if I'd call it a bug per say, but your right I'm going to take it for a spin as well. I don't remember the measurements off the top of my head but I'm aiming for 125" diagonal for my build.

I have a 14ft wide wall but due to a lot of challenges with my build. I am restricted to 11ft

[roar]

Originally Posted by Flatnate

Yeah. Personally, I think scope lends itself to this room a little better due to the 14 foot wide wall coupled with the 7.2 inch ceiling height. If I go 1.78, I would either just go with a smaller screen overall, or I would have to take the bottom edge a little closer to the floor. I'm afraid that taller screen (which could be sweet for row one) might may be too low to the floor for the second row to enjoy as much (assuming I only stick with a 7 inch riser). The relatively low ceiling height really doesn't lend itself well to going higher on that rear riser.

Either way, I think I have to get the "scope bug" out of my system at this point... as irrational as that may be.

Right, with the width of your room scope is a no brainer! It will look fantastic.

[Flatnate]

Originally Posted by onyxbfly

There is something that is very alluring about it. I'm not sure if I'd call it a bug per say, but your right I'm going to take it for a spin as well. I don't remember the measurements off the top of my head but I'm aiming for 125" diagonal for my build.

I have a 14ft wide wall but due to a lot of challenges with my build. I am restricted to 11ft

That's a bummer. I helped a buddy with his theater room and he had a ugly duct soffet that just couldn't be reworked easily. It restricted him too.

I remember seeing pics of this house on the original listing, immediately saw that wall and was like "ooooh that wall.... it needs a scope screen on it... my scope screen".

[Flatnate]

Originally Posted by roar

Right, with the width of your room scope is a no brainer! It will look fantastic.

I think so! I'm still debating between curved screen, or flat with masking panels now.

Hmmmm....

I would probably go flat with masking panels, but then he thinks maybe those panels might work on the curved version. I wish I had a more definitive answer on that.

[onyxbfly]

Originally Posted by Flatnate

That's a bummer. I helped a buddy with his theater room and he had a ugly duct soffet that just couldn't be reworked easily. It restricted him too.

I remember seeing pics of this house on the original listing, immediately saw that wall and was like "ooooh that wall.... it needs a scope screen on it... my scope screen".

If I did a complete 180 flip of my home theater build the theater would be under my neighbors living room. The way I have it situated now the theater will be under their kitchen.

I originally wanted it on the 14ft wall under the living rm but the point of building my theater (besides the opportunity to do so) was to enjoy movies and music the way I want to while not disturbing my neighbors. Well at least that's the hope lol

I considered doing a room within a room. But my lady gave me a pool table for my 40th bday. In order to accommodate the table I came up with an idea for an 8ft pocket door which would allow access to one side of the table.

Talk about putting the cart before the horse and trying to ice skate up hill.

[Johnny Vinyl]

Congratulations on the new home and your plans for a dedicated theatre. I'm sure you'll be in for a very exciting time and i can't wait to see pics of your progress.

[Flatnate]

Originally Posted by onyxbfly

But my lady gave me a pool table for my 40th bday. In order to accommodate the table I came up with an idea for an 8ft pocket door which would allow access to one side of the table.

Talk about putting the cart before the horse and trying to ice skate up hill.

I hear ya! This room clearly had a pool table front and center from the last owner. In fact you can still see the cue holder on the left wall near where I want to put my screen in the pics. Unfortunately, I have a little dry wall repair to do as they clearly scraped the thing in to the drywall on the stairwell ceiling/wall edge trying to get it out.

Got a price on the Elite Lunette with the AcousticPro4k. Whaaaahh... its pushing my budget limits and "wife acceptance factor" ... hard. Anyone thinking of that particular screen as an "entry level" Elite screen needs to readjust their ideas of the brand. I would happily pair it with a new 4K Sony if I could. The MSRP is getting near to Stewart and Screen Innovations price territory. With my screen size, budget, and my roughly 600 lumen 1080p projector is it right for me? I need to replace the kitchen flooring too; but unless the sample of CenterStageXD just turns me off completely I can't see myself doing it. If I do decide on the Lunette we are talking about a substantial wait while I get by with my pull-down for the interim. Still love that screen though.

Originally Posted by Johnny Vinyl

Congratulations on the new home and your plans for a dedicated theatre. I'm sure you'll be in for a very exciting time and i can't wait to see pics of your progress.

Thanks man. Eager to finally post pics and some real updates.