The Hunger Games: Mockingjay - Part 1 (March 6, 2014)

[manicsounds]

Originally Posted by Cevolution

JB special edition specs:
Exclusive features:

Rubble and ashes
Utilitarian chic
The propos team
Combat zone

Captions

Could you post how long these exclusive extras are, Cevolution? (minutes/seconds)

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Sky_Captain

Excellent news. The US disc is reportedly something hilarious like 19gb for the film itself, as everything's on one disc.

But if the nasty banding in the UK/US Mockingjay is baked into the master then a bajillion extra bits won't make any difference, as seen with CF: http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergl...ess=#vergleich

Eagerly awaiting your take on the Aussie disc, Mr Scum.

[Cevolution]

Originally Posted by manicsounds

Could you post how long these exclusive extras are, Cevolution? (minutes/seconds)

I'll check this for you a bit later today and report back.

[Cevolution]

Originally Posted by manicsounds

Could you post how long these exclusive extras are, Cevolution? (minutes/seconds)

Originally Posted by Cevolution

I'll check this for you a bit later today and report back.

Rubble and Ashes, 9:12
Utilitarian Chic, 13:37
The Propos Team, 11:56
Combat Zone, 11:50

[wesslan]

JP disc
Audio: English Dolby Atmos/True HD 7.1 AND English DTS-HD MA 5.1

WOW what waste of precious discspace!!

[Cevolution]

Originally Posted by wesslan

JP disc
Audio: English Dolby Atmos/True HD 7.1 AND English DTS-HD MA 5.1

WOW what waste of precious discspace!!

I can't speak for the Japanese disc, but at least there are less Special Features crammed on to one disc with this release when compared to the U.S disc. So essentially with the additional audio tracks (this includes a lossless headphone x track, whereas it has been mentioned this is lossy on the U.S/UK disc) we are getting more.

[Cevolution]

I watched this last night. For those interested, like has been reported with the U.S/UK disc, there are banding issues on the local disc also. The bitrate didn't appear to be too great either. I suppose the question is now, despite this which disc fares up best. I'm definitely curious to see BDinfo scans and screen caps for comparison.

[wesslan]

The Taiwan disc is a bitrate monster, AVC 36874 kbps, but seems to be missing lossless audio all together so will be very interesting to see some comparisons on all versions.

[Geoff D]

I thought as much re: the banding. And even though the Aussie movie disc doesn't have the documentary, it's still got half an hour of HD features and two additional lossless tracks eating into the disc space (on top of the fat Atmos track) so if the video encode tops 30 Mb/s average I'd be surprised. That's better than the 18 Mb/s UK/US bit rate for sure, but given how crappy the source is those extra bits can only do so much.

[Davidian]

Here's the BDinfo scan from the AU version. Sorry to hear about the baked-in banding.

                                                                                                                Total   Video                                             
Title                                                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track                          Secondary Audio Track
-----                                                           ------  ------- --------------  --------------  ------- ------- ------------------                        ---------------------
00003.MPLS                                                      AVC     2:02:48 28,294,680,576  33,539,962,566  30.72   16.48   Dolby TrueHD 7.1 4803Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)  DTS-HD Master 5.1 3621Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)

DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     MOCKINGJAY
Disc Size:      33,539,962,566 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        No
BDInfo:         0.5.8

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00003.MPLS
Length:                 2:02:48.944 (h:m:s.ms)
Size:                   28,294,680,576 bytes
Total Bitrate:          30.72 Mbps

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-4 AVC Video        16484 kbps          1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Dolby TrueHD Audio              English         4803 kbps       7.1 / 48 kHz / 4803 kbps / 24-bit (AC3 Embedded: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps)
DTS-HD Master Audio             English         3621 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 3621 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit)
Dolby Digital Audio             English         192 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio             English         192 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps
DTS-HD Master Audio             English         1594 kbps       2.0 / 48 kHz / 1594 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 2.0 / 48 kHz / 768 kbps / 24-bit)
Dolby Digital Audio             English         192 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Presentation Graphics           English         30.305 kbps                     

FILES:

Name            Time In         Length          Size            Total Bitrate   
----            -------         ------          ----            -------------   
00001.M2TS      0:00:00.000     2:02:48.527     28,294,668,288  30,719          
00010.M2TS      2:02:48.527     0:00:00.417     12,288          236             

CHAPTERS:

Number          Time In         Length          Avg Video Rate  Max 1-Sec Rate  Max 1-Sec Time  Max 5-Sec Rate  Max 5-Sec Time  Max 10Sec Rate  Max 10Sec Time  Avg Frame Size  Max Frame Size  Max Frame Time  
------          -------         ------          --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  
1               0:00:00.000     0:08:44.649     14,029 kbps     27,615 kbps     00:00:09.759    21,395 kbps     00:03:27.457    19,604 kbps     00:03:14.152    73,137 bytes    570,304 bytes   00:02:57.927    
2               0:08:44.649     0:06:19.170     19,513 kbps     37,633 kbps     00:09:46.794    30,044 kbps     00:09:45.918    26,956 kbps     00:09:40.538    101,733 bytes   564,150 bytes   00:09:48.879    
3               0:15:03.819     0:07:53.264     18,297 kbps     28,331 kbps     00:19:10.232    23,535 kbps     00:19:02.391    23,110 kbps     00:19:01.849    95,391 bytes    773,571 bytes   00:16:05.172    
4               0:22:57.084     0:06:56.374     14,094 kbps     25,141 kbps     00:22:58.126    19,036 kbps     00:28:27.997    17,711 kbps     00:24:40.812    73,480 bytes    461,233 bytes   00:26:20.078    
5               0:29:53.458     0:06:53.287     14,931 kbps     23,506 kbps     00:34:28.274    21,475 kbps     00:36:05.246    19,082 kbps     00:35:45.059    77,842 bytes    496,250 bytes   00:36:15.006    
6               0:36:46.746     0:05:49.223     17,146 kbps     33,860 kbps     00:40:58.998    30,029 kbps     00:40:54.952    27,610 kbps     00:40:50.948    89,390 bytes    572,350 bytes   00:40:59.874    
7               0:42:35.970     0:07:59.020     20,223 kbps     27,124 kbps     00:48:32.618    24,823 kbps     00:48:49.384    23,185 kbps     00:48:25.152    105,431 bytes   635,922 bytes   00:45:11.166    
8               0:50:34.990     0:05:57.023     18,617 kbps     35,157 kbps     00:55:16.229    27,879 kbps     00:55:07.262    26,412 kbps     00:55:07.220    97,061 bytes    709,381 bytes   00:52:58.383    
9               0:56:32.013     0:05:43.885     19,772 kbps     27,631 kbps     00:56:54.911    24,424 kbps     00:56:46.611    23,123 kbps     00:59:35.697    103,083 bytes   565,390 bytes   01:00:27.165    
10              1:02:15.898     0:07:12.932     19,369 kbps     33,131 kbps     01:06:44.041    25,420 kbps     01:02:31.456    23,863 kbps     01:02:30.955    100,979 bytes   650,118 bytes   01:05:20.625    
11              1:09:28.831     0:08:09.614     17,195 kbps     37,873 kbps     01:13:15.015    28,888 kbps     01:13:14.056    23,272 kbps     01:09:36.797    89,649 bytes    845,509 bytes   01:11:41.005    
12              1:17:38.445     0:07:32.660     14,308 kbps     30,278 kbps     01:19:29.639    21,935 kbps     01:18:44.511    18,928 kbps     01:19:28.180    74,594 bytes    505,313 bytes   01:21:39.394    
13              1:25:11.106     0:09:10.841     16,605 kbps     35,145 kbps     01:31:47.168    30,961 kbps     01:31:46.584    28,494 kbps     01:25:24.786    86,569 bytes    828,256 bytes   01:25:33.211    
14              1:34:21.947     0:07:12.890     16,025 kbps     48,249 kbps     01:37:27.341    29,598 kbps     01:40:36.071    26,010 kbps     01:40:36.030    83,548 bytes    757,651 bytes   01:39:06.190    
15              1:41:34.838     0:05:46.262     17,609 kbps     30,016 kbps     01:41:38.550    26,222 kbps     01:44:30.264    23,636 kbps     01:44:28.262    91,807 bytes    765,827 bytes   01:45:32.367    
16              1:47:21.101     0:15:27.843     12,318 kbps     33,329 kbps     02:02:24.712    28,462 kbps     02:02:30.092    26,737 kbps     02:02:28.466    64,221 bytes    718,692 bytes   01:47:56.386    

STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File            PID             Type            Codec           Language                Seconds                 Bitrate                 Bytes           Packets         
----            ---             ----            -----           --------                --------------          --------------          -------------   -----           
00001.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0x1B            AVC                                     7368.361                16,485                  15,183,666,777  82,622,573      
00001.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x83            TrueHD          eng (English)           7368.361                5,443                   5,013,297,972   32,903,945      
00001.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       eng (English)           7368.361                3,622                   3,335,584,768   19,277,660      
00001.M2TS      4354 (0x1102)   0x81            AC3             eng (English)           7368.361                192                     176,845,056     1,151,335       
00001.M2TS      4355 (0x1103)   0x81            AC3             eng (English)           7368.361                192                     176,845,056     1,151,335       
00001.M2TS      4356 (0x1104)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       eng (English)           7368.361                1,595                   1,468,719,716   8,700,484       
00001.M2TS      4357 (0x1105)   0x81            AC3             eng (English)           7368.361                192                     176,845,056     1,151,335       
00001.M2TS      4608 (0x1200)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           7368.361                30                      27,914,249      161,328         
00010.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0x1B            AVC                                     0.250                   169                     5,290           32

[Geoff D]

Holy shitballs, the average video bit rate is even less than the UK/US one.

[Cevolution]

I said I didn't think the bitrate was too good, I didn't quite think it would be that low though. During the rescue scene it was very low, I saw it go as low as 9.7mbps, and I wasn't watching it like a hawk either. With a video bitrate as low as that, it certainly is strange that Roadshow decided to include so many audio options, it seems like a lot of effort to go to with the soundtracks, with almost no emphasis on the video quality.

[Sky_Captain]

[Show spoiler]

[Cevolution]

It is disappointing isn't it mate. Knowing that this release has the same issues as the US/UK release, I am eagerly awaiting other releases, to see if any of them improve upon this. If any do, I will definitely be importing whichever release that is.

[Suntory_Times]

Oh my goodness, the banding during the

[Show spoiler]rescue

scene is atrocious. How could those in charge of the transfer have it looking like that and think "good enough".

[Badas]

Originally Posted by Cevolution

I said I didn't think the bitrate was too good, I didn't quite think it would be that low though. During the rescue scene it was very low, I saw it go as low as 9.7mbps, and I wasn't watching it like a hawk either. With a video bitrate as low as that, it certainly is strange that Roadshow decided to include so many audio options, it seems like a lot of effort to go to with the soundtracks, with almost no emphasis on the video quality.

Originally Posted by Suntory_Times

Oh my goodness, the banding during the

[Show spoiler]rescue

scene is atrocious. How could those in charge of the transfer have it looking like that and think "good enough".

I have the UK steelbook on order. I will watch that scene very closely and report. As previously mentioned tho the UK and US has been screwed as well.

Seems like they stuffed this one up.

You watch when 4K is released. They will screw up all the 1080P transfers on purpose. To make 4K look a lot better. They did that for DVD when Blu was released. It will happen again.

[wesslan]

The french and Japanese discs could still be different as the last movie was. My hope lies there for now since US/UK is screwed.

[idlebrain]

.........

[Jake2104]

Is there a difference between the local version of this movie and the UK version? Im trying to decide which one to order.

[Suntory_Times]

Originally Posted by Jake2104

Is there a difference between the local version of this movie and the UK version? Im trying to decide which one to order.

Yes, but both feature bit starved encodes.